Baskin son on why he won't reunite with parents...

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by drew790

"monitor the situation"

How would this fabled monitoring have worked, exactly? They didn't live with the child abuser. Were they going to ask the person abusing a child "did you abuse the child today?" while the children continued to be abused and then just take the child abuser at their word that they didn't?

Taking the two they had, when it was the only chance they had, makes complete logical sense. Save the two they could or let them all suffer. It's basic casualty mitigation in the face of a difficult choice. There is no "swiss cheese". You're just attaching a moral judgement to their math.

Again, these were accusations that were never found to be true. That's a huge gamble to do something that you don't have any proof over. Taking children from their parents isn't the way to do it, and leaving one behind to take the supposed brunt of it all (if it were true) is some sort of bizarre code that might apply to a war or something. Not a kid.

When I say they still monitor the situation I mean they are still close to the kids and stay in their lives. They could still be a safe house for them, and maybe even a permanent residence. That is if there was anything there to run from. What the Maples did was flee based on something they had no proof of and them leaving meant they could never return and help their other grandchild. I just can't get behind that, sorry. Especially since there wasn't any evidence.

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Not to mention that the Maples had legal custody of Jon and Jennifer at the time. They did not have custody of Michael, because Mark and Debbie kept him while they allowed their other two children to stay with the Maples while they attempted to find jobs. I'm not saying what the Maples did was right, but there is a bit of context missing when discussing "why didn't they take Michael too".

However they were supposed to give them back to the Baskins before they fled. It isn't as if they couldn't have still stayed in their life and been close with them. Still kept fighting.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

However they were supposed to give them back to the Baskins before they fled. It isn't as if they couldn't have still stayed in their life and been close with them. Still kept fighting.

This is not true. They had legal custody of them at the time. They fled roughly 3 weeks before a hearing to determine who would gain custody of the children. Illegal and wrong, yes. But if they believed what Jon and Jennifer were telling them, why would they want to risk having them go back into the hands of their abusers?

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

This is not true. They had legal custody of them at the time. They fled roughly 3 weeks before a hearing to determine who would gain custody of the children. Illegal and wrong, yes. But if they believed what Jon and Jennifer were telling them, why would they want to risk having them go back into the hands of their abusers?

Okay fine, so they were waiting for a hearing that was assumed they would go back to the Baskins, but fled instead. Not good.

I don't put a line in the sand and say that what I think happened is exactly what happened. I can admit that the Baskins can be guilty and the Maples can be heroic, if that were true. But there just isn't anything that indicated that the Baskins were doing anything sinister to their children. And in case people wanted to know for sure, they raised two children in that same home. Why didn't something at least point them to the fact that the Maples were truthful?

[jets4life]

Originally Posted by SertumAEnigmA

Fortunately, these "satanic ritualistic sexual abusing" cults have all virtually been invented for children and by children. Huge fad in the mid 80s to early 90s that was every parents worse fear.

I was really hoping the Baskin children would "adult-up" at some point, but it appears not. I suppose the only narrative you hear and rehearse(by his own admission) somehow becomes truth.

He sums it up pretty well though. When your chips are "all in" I guess you stay the course. Won't go into specifics but it involved sexual, physical and emotional abuse, that was so bad that it caused a broken ankle. Take my word for it.

Not one shred of evidence corroborated any of the allegations against the Baskins. Like all the other satanic cults infiltrating our neighborgoods and opening daycares solely to molest our children.

While I'm sure all this is "very real" to him, he still acts like a bright eyed kid when he elaborated on the fantasy of going on the lam and picking his own middle name. Because hey, when our children are abused by these satanic ritualistic sex abusing cults, our first order of business is to get their input and see if they are ready to go on the lam!

These kids have lived a fantasy for 30 years. Time to be an adult. I'm willing to bet that even though the narrative is that these poor kids were abused physically, sexually and emotionally, the grandparents out of fear of exposure didn't put them in therapy. Probably aren't now either.

There was a case in Saskatchewan, Canada just like this in the early 90s. It happened at a day care, where a parent with that was obviously mentally unstable, managed to convince people that the couple who ran a day care, their son, and five Police Officers, were involved in a satanic cult where children were being sexually abused.

It created complete hysteria in the town, and led to a huge investigation. People were charged, and all but one was cleared. Several would later go on to sue, and win millions for malicious prosecution. It turns out that some of the child psychiatrists were coaching the children, rewarding them with candy for telling the more creative and bizarre stories that they made up.

It's terrible that the children were brainwashed like this. For the Grandparents to do this to their own daughter is disgusting. They should have been locked away for life.

[jets4life]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

This is not true. They had legal custody of them at the time. They fled roughly 3 weeks before a hearing to determine who would gain custody of the children. Illegal and wrong, yes. But if they believed what Jon and Jennifer were telling them, why would they want to risk having them go back into the hands of their abusers?

The grandparents accusations were proven to be completely fictitious, and without merit. There is a word for it- PAS (Parental Alienation Syndrome).

The grandparents obviously brainwashed the children, since they either did not want to give the children back, or were punishing the daughter (probably both).

They even threatened to kill the children if they were ever sent back to live with their parents. When someone can threaten to kill children, and it's been proven the allegations were without merit, the grandparents were going to lose the custody battle. I honestly can't believe you would defend those horrible monsters.

[jets4life]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

Again, these were accusations that were never found to be true. That's a huge gamble to do something that you don't have any proof over. Taking children from their parents isn't the way to do it, and leaving one behind to take the supposed brunt of it all (if it were true) is some sort of bizarre code that might apply to a war or something. Not a kid.

When I say they still monitor the situation I mean they are still close to the kids and stay in their lives. They could still be a safe house for them, and maybe even a permanent residence. That is if there was anything there to run from. What the Maples did was flee based on something they had no proof of and them leaving meant they could never return and help their other grandchild. I just can't get behind that, sorry. Especially since there wasn't any evidence.

It's pointless even arguing. Some people just choose to believe the World is a very evil place, where satanic cults exist to molest children, and that every third person is involved. It's a BS conspiracy and it still happens today. Look at Pizzagate in the US.

People look at this from an emotional angle, and ignore facts and evidence that points to this being complete rubbish. The parents only mistake, was to trust their mentally unstable Grandparents, who were mentally abusing their grandchildren.

This type of thing is very common in the Family Law system, especially in bitter custody disputes. In nearly every case, it's a manipulative parent trying to turn their child against the other parent.

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by jets4life

It's pointless even arguing. Some people just choose to believe the World is a very evil place, where satanic cults exist to molest children, and that every third person is involved. It's a BS conspiracy and it still happens today. Look at Pizzagate in the US.

People look at this from an emotional angle, and ignore facts and evidence that points to this being complete rubbish. The parents only mistake, was to trust their mentally unstable Grandparents, who were mentally abusing their grandchildren.

This type of thing is very common in the Family Law system, especially in bitter custody disputes. In nearly every case, it's a manipulative parent trying to turn their child against the other parent.

If you haven't read about the McMartin case.. Take the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

I mean.. Kids saying they saw witches flying.. Were flushed down toilets.. Abused in a hot air balloon.. Even to recent times.. There've been ground penetrating radar scans at the former location trying to find the 'tunnels' that kids say they were taken to and abused.

In other words.. There's STILL people out there who believe it.

I was.. 12 or so at the time.. I was aware of the case, but not the details. I read up on this about 20 years ago and.. Sadly, found myself laughing at how damned ridiculous the allegations were and that anyone in ANY position of authority believed it.

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by jets4life

It's pointless even arguing. Some people just choose to believe the World is a very evil place, where satanic cults exist to molest children, and that every third person is involved. It's a BS conspiracy and it still happens today. Look at Pizzagate in the US.

People look at this from an emotional angle, and ignore facts and evidence that points to this being complete rubbish. The parents only mistake, was to trust their mentally unstable Grandparents, who were mentally abusing their grandchildren.

This type of thing is very common in the Family Law system, especially in bitter custody disputes. In nearly every case, it's a manipulative parent trying to turn their child against the other parent.

I believe there ought to be some evidence of it by now, if it were true. The Baskins were devout Christians then. They are the same 35 years later. Nothing changed. I am wondering, did Debbie's siblings retract their suspicions? Because they've had 30+ years to see whether or not the Maples were lying about them, or if they weren't.

[drew790]

Originally Posted by jets4life

The grandparents accusations were proven to be completely fictitious, and without merit. .

By people who weren't there and the internet.

[Zero]

Originally Posted by drew790

By people who weren't there and the internet.

Wrong, dude. By the court. Allegations were unfounded. The case was dismissed “with prejudice.” You can say the judge, jury et al. “weren’t there” but they never are and that would be a weak argument anyway. By the way, you weren’t there either.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by jets4life

The grandparents accusations were proven to be completely fictitious, and without merit. There is a word for it- PAS (Parental Alienation Syndrome).

Why did Mark Basin file charges of child abuse against his father in the summer of 1986?

Originally Posted by jets4life

The grandparents obviously brainwashed the children, since they either did not want to give the children back, or were punishing the daughter (probably both).

The man himself remembers the abuse and has spoken about it repeatedly.

Originally Posted by jets4life

I honestly can't believe you would defend those horrible monsters.

The funny thing is, is that you nor I know the absolute truth...so you could be the one defending "those horrible monsters".

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

The funny thing is, is that you nor I know the absolute truth...so you could be the one defending "those horrible monsters".

And there in lies the interest we all have in "Unsolved Mysteries". They didn't put the slam dunk episodes on for a reason. They put the ones on that we weren't sure the truth. Even decades later.

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Why did Mark Basin file charges of child abuse against his father in the summer of 1986?



The man himself remembers the abuse and has spoken about it repeatedly.



The funny thing is, is that you nor I know the absolute truth...so you could be the one defending "those horrible monsters".

None of us really know the truth. But.. we do know what is out in public.

I presume you mean Bobby as far as speaking about it repeatedly? Do you have anything where he's said anything of substance? Other than generically that he was mentally, physically and sexually abused by his parents?

Again.. I think maybe we're on to something with the grandfather's abuse. It seems.. That 100% happened.

But.. Any evidence that the PARENTS abused them.. Seems to be quite lacking. Unless.. We take that theory that they were going to continue to have them visit and see the grandparent. Which.. I can start to understand it at that point.. Though.. That certainly is not the parents sexually abusing them. It's piss-poor explaining the problem if that's what it is. They are accusing the parents of DIRECT abuse. Not abuse-by-proxy or allowing the abuse to happen to them. They're saying the parents abused them..

Either the parents did or they didn't. Requiring them to visit the grandparent might be facilitating abuse.. But it's not direct abuse. Which is what the kids are accusing.

They could clear this up in 3 seconds. If they said "Our parents were going to force us to see the grandfather that abused us".. Boom.. Done. And.. I'd presume that most of us would side up with them, at least moreso than we do right now. Still may not have been the right way to handle, but, I think all of us could at least understand.. I'd, personally, still be pissed a bit if that was the case because they intentionally misled people for 30+ years.. But..

Right now, they seem to be sticking that the parents were the abusers. And.. There's little to back that up. Especially with the other kids never reporting anything.

I would be.. not surprised at all if this were almost a Duggar type situation.. Where they sent the abuser off for 'counseling' and afterwards he'd have access to the kids again. And.. If that's the case, things really swing in favor of the grandparents in what they did.

Though.. we still have the issue of leaving the youngest.. And the accusations of DIRECT abuse against the parents..

[SPD Yellow]

Originally Posted by Jon

This post is over 5 years old, but since there's not a 'like' button here or anything like it, I just want to say that I wholeheartedly agree with freakbook here.

This is indeed entirely a private family matter and IMO keeping this thread is in poor taste

Allow me to join the chorus of “Lock this thread.” It is no longer a criminal matter; it is a private family one.

I admit I have my doubts regarding Jon’s story, but I am also aware that a 15 minute segment isn’t what you’d call an unimpeachable source. There are probably details we don’t know about, and it’s not really our business to know about.

[everybodylovesrs]

They made it all a non-private matter when they appeared on Unsolved Mysteries. And when it was in the headlines in the newspapers. Don't go a'kidnappin, you won't be on Unsolved Mysteries. Don't go a'kidnappin, you won't be on Unsolved Mysteries.