Do you think O.J. Simpson was guilty of killing Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson?

[jets4life]

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[jets4life]

Originally Posted by Labonte18

Brady and Warner were backups. They wouldn't have seen the field if the starter wasn't hurt. Because Bledsoe and Trent Green were embedded as starters. Trent Green was a hell of a player who had concussion issues.. But, Warner was bagging groceries at the local HyVee a couple of months before the season! If that isn't a backup, I don't know what is. Win a Super Bowl with the guy you pick up a the corner supermarket.

You seem to think that starting Quarterbacks are just assigned at the beginning of the season, for the entire duration of the season. The only time I have ever seen an owner hell bent on starting his chosen QB, was the Rob Johnson/Doug Flutie fiasco in Buffalo. Otherwise it is "best man for the job." There is no question Brady would have surpassed Bledsoe eventually in 2001, and stole the starting QB role. Brady had been doing this his entire life, and went from 5th string QB to starter in both college and the NFL.

That is how the NFL works. Nobody has ever said "well Brady is the GOAT, but he would have never become that way if Bledsoe was healthy throughout his career!" Brady was better and took over the starting job. The same thing happened in St.Louis with Warner and the Rams. Better QB's got their chance and became the starting QB.

Have you ever even played sports...lol. It has always been very competitive, and the best man for the job prevails, not who the starter was on game 1 of the season.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by jets4life

The only time I have ever seen an owner hell bent on starting his chosen QB, was the Rob Johnson/Doug Flutie fiasco in Buffalo.

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by Janel "Jaycee" Miller

Allow me to respectfully add one more Super Bowl to the list: the Miami Dolphins won Super Bowl VII (and by doing so, completed the only undefeated season in NFL history) with backup quarterback Earl Morrall (starting QB Bob Griese was hurt earlier in the season).

Griese was hurt a big chunk of the year but played in the final two games of the year, including the Super Bowl. But give Morrall credit, he was there from the 5th game of the season and up until part of the playoffs.

[Janel "Jaycee" Miller]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

Griese was hurt a big chunk of the year but played in the final two games of the year, including the Super Bowl. But give Morrall credit, he was there from the 5th game of the season and up until part of the playoffs.

I stand corrected. Thanks for setting the record straight

[Yong Fang]

Several years before he ded, Rodney King went to a Dodgers baseball game. But he ran away in terror when he saw emerging several white guys holding bats.

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I got people asking me what's wrong when that came up and I started cussing and screaming at my monitor after seeing that.

Aren't there rules about posting obscene images here?

Not to mention.. The number of times he's done it. RG3 is the most well known.. But he did it with the guy who recently died.. Oh, Ohio State guy.. Drawing a blank.. Haskins.. That's it.

Also.. It started right as he took ownership.. Benching and getting rid of Brad Johnson for Jeff George.

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by jets4life

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That happens to me alot on many sites!

[Cori aka ChrisSCrush]

Absolutely 100% guilty.

[DALLASTEXAN!!]

Yeah he did it.

[DALLASTEXAN!!]

Originally Posted by jets4life

None of these examples were backup QB's when the playoffs started. Foles and Hostetler may be the closest example to a backup QB on that list. The idea that Tom Brady or Kurt Warner were "backup Quarterbacks" are especially ridiculous, considering they played nearly every single game of that season as the starting QB, and it was clear they were much better than their injured QB counterpart, and by the time Bledsoe and Green were healthy, they were demoted to backup themselves.

Has a backup qb ever stepped in for a starter in the super bowl and won? I remember frank reich replacing Jim Kelly when he got injured in super bowl 27. Buffalo had 9 turnovers in that game.

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by DALLASTEXAN!!

Has a backup qb ever stepped in for a starter in the super bowl and won? I remember frank reich replacing Jim Kelly when he got injured in super bowl 27. Buffalo had 9 turnovers in that game.

I can't remember why Reich came in. I know Kelly was hurt a lot those playoffs. Reich was the guy in the big comeback game against Houston. But the reason he came in had to be some sort of injury if I recall. Either way, it doesn't matter, Dallas won that game 52-17 and it would have been 59-17 if Leon Lett didn't hot dog at the goal line.

Jeff Hostetler is the most well known QB to do this, although it wasn't in the Super Bowl. Phil Simms - who is close to being a Hall of Famer in my mind - got hurt in a game before Christmas time against Buffalo. Hostetler comes in and they lose that game, but he finishes the season, plays in every playoff game and ironically he plays in the Super Bowl where they beat Buffalo.

But yeah, no one filled in during the game and won that I recall.

[cordwainer1453]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

Johnny Cochran knew this was his only hope for OJ. Turn it into a race war. Even if you lose, you can still martyr OJ. For Johnny it was a win-win. This is why they went to great lengths to smear Mark Fuhrman. That was the key, they needed to tap into the emotional side of the jury or else they had nothing and they knew it. It worked. Sadly, it worked.



Exactly. It was the older juror interviewed in "OJ Made in America" that literally says this and then just shrugs her shoulders when she is asked if she thinks it was right. The younger juror they interview had more common sense, she felt he likely did it, but did they present enough evidence. I think they still did, but she still said not guilty. Both were black. But the younger one didn't have the "This is revenge for Rodney King" mindset. It seems she actually thought about it.

I don't get how they can say "there wasn't enough evidence" They have fried people on far less than they had on OJ, and these were guilty people too. There were several pieces of evidence, the foot prints, the glove the blood that could have convicted him alone.

[Huskerz85]

Originally Posted by cordwainer1453

I don't get how they can say "there wasn't enough evidence" They have fried people on far less than they had on OJ, and these were guilty people too. There were several pieces of evidence, the foot prints, the glove the blood that could have convicted him alone.

Nailed it.

In the years since, no other evidence (like a motive) implicating any other suspect has ever popped up/been mentioned. Everyone knows he did it and the lengths his defense team went to, to smear Mark Furhman only underscore that fact.

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by Huskerz85

Nailed it.

In the years since, no other evidence (like a motive) implicating any other suspect has ever popped up/been mentioned. Everyone knows he did it and the lengths his defense team went to, to smear Mark Furhman only underscore that fact.

Outside of Nicole and Ron and their families the biggest victim of this whole thing was easily Mark Fuhrman. The fact there were tapes of him using racist language in which he was doing for someone's fictional screenplay is probably the biggest thing that got OJ off the hook. Fuhrman's mistake is that he used the "Fifth Amendment" during his cross examination. I can understand looking back, as it was turning into a circus and turning into more of a trial and an attack on him, and not OJ, so I am sure he didn't want to say anything that would get twisted around. However, in hindsight it was not a good idea.

There were black co-workers that have come to Fuhrman's defense saying he is not a racist over the years. None of that mattered, the defense played on the emotions of the mostly black jury and even just planting a thought in their heads that he could have framed OJ was enough. Even though they probably were going to acquit OJ anyway. The problem is, there was no way Fuhrman could have pulled off tampering with evidence. He simply just didn't have enough time to do it even if he had wanted to. And one last thing he did not know, he did not know if OJ had an alibi. Imagine going to the trouble to plant something making it look like OJ had done it only to find out OJ was with several people a couple of hours away all night.

I always found it funny that they think the LAPD would frame OJ. This is a guy who got away with spousal abuse for years and managed to talk himself out of his own wife calling 911 on him. Fuhrman was one of the cops over the years who responded to a domestic violence call from Nicole. For a guy who apparently was "framed" by the cops, they sure as heck let him off the hook over and over.