Do you think O.J. Simpson was guilty of killing Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson?

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by jets4life

since the prosecution did such a poor job

This is an often repeated explanation for as to why OJ was acquitted for the murders. Multiple jurors have said they were going to acquit him regardless of anything for revenge for Rodney King. He was never getting convicted by that jury.

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by jets4life

I saw an article about polls released around the time of the trial, then compared them to the same polls asking the American public whether OJ was guilty or innocent at different points, up until 2015.

In 1995, there was a clear racial divide, as most White Americans believed OJ to be guilty. Most Black Americans believed him to be innocent. However, that began to change as time passed. The percentage of White people who thought of OJ guilty increased slightly, while the number of Black Americans who believe OJ to be guilty more than doubled as of 2015, and now most Black people also believe OJ to be guilty. I assume if they asked the question again today, even more people would say OJ was guilty.

Johnny Cochran knew this was his only hope for OJ. Turn it into a race war. Even if you lose, you can still martyr OJ. For Johnny it was a win-win. This is why they went to great lengths to smear Mark Fuhrman. That was the key, they needed to tap into the emotional side of the jury or else they had nothing and they knew it. It worked. Sadly, it worked.

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

This is an often repeated explanation for as to why OJ was acquitted for the murders. Multiple jurors have said they were going to acquit him regardless of anything for revenge for Rodney King. He was never getting convicted by that jury.

Exactly. It was the older juror interviewed in "OJ Made in America" that literally says this and then just shrugs her shoulders when she is asked if she thinks it was right. The younger juror they interview had more common sense, she felt he likely did it, but did they present enough evidence. I think they still did, but she still said not guilty. Both were black. But the younger one didn't have the "This is revenge for Rodney King" mindset. It seems she actually thought about it.

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

Johnny Cochran knew this was his only hope for OJ. Turn it into a race war. Even if you lose, you can still martyr OJ. For Johnny it was a win-win. This is why they went to great lengths to smear Mark Fuhrman. That was the key, they needed to tap into the emotional side of the jury or else they had nothing and they knew it. It worked. Sadly, it worked.

They didn't have to go far.

Do I think Fuhrman was completely and totally racist? No. But, even back in the day.. You couldn't say the things he did in his position and NOT have it bite you in the ass.

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by yourhomiebrian

Do you guys think O.J. Simpson was guilty of double homicide in June of 1994? If you think he's guilty do you think he acted alone?

I think he knows who did it if he didnt do it himself but YES I think he is guilty...........

[Caroline13]

I never believed it was a black or white case.

Ok and I know I'll hear that I'm a quack etc,,,BUT I have been using a pendulum for probably 20 yrs or so and I trust it and I don't....I never checked in with it on the OJ verfict but I just did...

And when I asked it, I got a minute or so of a quivering of the chain and then it went to a definite NO, he is not guilty.

So there is still NO definite answer but more stuff to think on. I don't spend time on this issue of OJ but I did for a while.

[Caroline13]

Originally Posted by James T

Brian Pillman-A mark is a guy that believes that O.J. didn't do it.

I don't know who Pillman is but I have doubts on the TRUTH...only the killer knows....

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by Labonte18

They didn't have to go far.

Do I think Fuhrman was completely and totally racist? No. But, even back in the day.. You couldn't say the things he did in his position and NOT have it bite you in the ass.

There would have had to have been some digging to find that old screenplay where he is reading racist comments from police officers. They really didn't have a case in defending OJ other than that. Their sole case rested on whether or not they could use the emotion of the jury to get a not guilty verdict. It worked. Because they didn't have much else to go on or hope for. I mean, I can't stand the "Dream Team" OJ had, but if I had a lot of money and was trying to get away with something I would use them in a heartbeat.

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I never believed it was a black or white case.

Ok and I know I'll hear that I'm a quack etc,,,BUT I have been using a pendulum for probably 20 yrs or so and I trust it and I don't....I never checked in with it on the OJ verfict but I just did...

And when I asked it, I got a minute or so of a quivering of the chain and then it went to a definite NO, he is not guilty.

So there is still NO definite answer but more stuff to think on. I don't spend time on this issue of OJ but I did for a while.

I don't know if a pendulum is a reliable thing to be using in deciding someone's guilt

[cordwainer1453]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

There would have had to have been some digging to find that old screenplay where he is reading racist comments from police officers. They really didn't have a case in defending OJ other than that. Their sole case rested on whether or not they could use the emotion of the jury to get a not guilty verdict. It worked. Because they didn't have much else to go on or hope for. I mean, I can't stand the "Dream Team" OJ had, but if I had a lot of money and was trying to get away with something I would use them in a heartbeat.



I don't know if a pendulum is a reliable thing to be using in deciding someone's guilt

They weren't even murder defendant lawyers, surprisingly enough. Some had tried criminal cases in the past, but never murder cases. Cochrane was a civil rights attorney. The racial argument was probably the only one he knew how to make.

[BlueGalexy]

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I never believed it was a black or white case.

Ok and I know I'll hear that I'm a quack etc,,,BUT I have been using a pendulum for probably 20 yrs or so and I trust it and I don't....I never checked in with it on the OJ verfict but I just did...

And when I asked it, I got a minute or so of a quivering of the chain and then it went to a definite NO, he is not guilty.

So there is still NO definite answer but more stuff to think on. I don't spend time on this issue of OJ but I did for a while.

I certainly won't call you a "quack" Caroline, or anything else for that matter. You have just as much right to your beliefs and opinions as anyone else IMO. If for whatever reason you believe Simpson is not guilty, then that's your right and your prerogative...I don't feel it's my place to sit in judgement of that, just as I would hope that my own opinion of his guilt would be respected in turn.

It's true that I don't know for sure that Simpson murdered his ex-wife and Goldman...I, thankfully, wasn't there. Based on what I feel is overwhelming evidence however, I've always believed that he is indeed the guilty party. And as I've already stated, his later participation in the "If I Did It" fiasco and his commission of armed robbery only further cemented my opinion. (And yes, I'm still BEYOND irritated that he was granted parole, lol). The silver lining here I suppose, is now that Simpson is out, he can finally get back to his strenuous and no doubt exhaustive search for the "real killer". I don't know about the rest of y'all, but just knowing that OJ is on the case, totally sets my mind at ease!

[jets4life]

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I never believed it was a black or white case.

Ok and I know I'll hear that I'm a quack etc,,,BUT I have been using a pendulum for probably 20 yrs or so and I trust it and I don't....I never checked in with it on the OJ verfict but I just did...

And when I asked it, I got a minute or so of a quivering of the chain and then it went to a definite NO, he is not guilty.

So there is still NO definite answer but more stuff to think on. I don't spend time on this issue of OJ but I did for a while.

With all due respect...

I am not comprehending what you are saying. Can you elaborate?

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by cordwainer1453

They weren't even murder defendant lawyers, surprisingly enough. Some had tried criminal cases in the past, but never murder cases. Cochrane was a civil rights attorney. The racial argument was probably the only one he knew how to make.

F. Lee Bailey I guess you could say was someone who defended someone convicted of murder. On appeals Sam Sheppard got off in the 1960s thanks to Bailey. He also defended Albert DeSalvo - the Boston Strangler - but not for that case.

Kardashian, Shapiro and obviously Cochran were not experienced in murder cases. Which makes it more unlikely. It is like a team winning the Super Bowl with their back up QB.

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

F. Lee Bailey I guess you could say was someone who defended someone convicted of murder. On appeals Sam Sheppard got off in the 1960s thanks to Bailey. He also defended Albert DeSalvo - the Boston Strangler - but not for that case.

Kardashian, Shapiro and obviously Cochran were not experienced in murder cases. Which makes it more unlikely. It is like a team winning the Super Bowl with their back up QB.

Philadelphia Eagles, Super Bowl 52. Nick Foles won the game, Carson Wentz was starter until injured late in the year.

New England Patriots, Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady was the backup to Drew Bledsoe.

Baltimore Ravens, Super Bowl 35.. Trent Dilfer was the backup, took over after week 9 due to Tony Banks being ineffective.

St Louis Rams, Super Bowl 34 (Three in a row!).. Kurt Warner was the backup. Starter Trent Green was knocked out in the preseason for the year.

New York Giants. Super Bowl 25. Phil Simms was lost for the year in week 15. Jeff Hostetler led them to the Super Bowl victory.

Washington Redskins. Super Bowl 22. Doug Williams was the backup, he replaced Jay Schroeder off and on throughout the year. This.. Almost could be considered a 'co-starters' situation.

Los Angeles Raiders, Super Bowl 18.. This one's a little cheap as well. Plunkett was benched for Marc Wilson, who then broke his shoulder.. Putting Plunkett back in.

Honestly.. That's as far back as I can remember.

If you were trying to say it was unlikely.. Poor analogy choice.

[Janel "Jaycee" Miller]

Originally Posted by Labonte18

Philadelphia Eagles, Super Bowl 52. Nick Foles won the game, Carson Wentz was starter until injured late in the year.

New England Patriots, Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady was the backup to Drew Bledsoe.

Baltimore Ravens, Super Bowl 35.. Trent Dilfer was the backup, took over after week 9 due to Tony Banks being ineffective.

St Louis Rams, Super Bowl 34 (Three in a row!).. Kurt Warner was the backup. Starter Trent Green was knocked out in the preseason for the year.

New York Giants. Super Bowl 25. Phil Simms was lost for the year in week 15. Jeff Hostetler led them to the Super Bowl victory.

Washington Redskins. Super Bowl 22. Doug Williams was the backup, he replaced Jay Schroeder off and on throughout the year. This.. Almost could be considered a 'co-starters' situation.

Los Angeles Raiders, Super Bowl 18.. This one's a little cheap as well. Plunkett was benched for Marc Wilson, who then broke his shoulder.. Putting Plunkett back in.

Honestly.. That's as far back as I can remember.

If you were trying to say it was unlikely.. Poor analogy choice.

Allow me to respectfully add one more Super Bowl to the list: the Miami Dolphins won Super Bowl VII (and by doing so, completed the only undefeated season in NFL history) with backup quarterback Earl Morrall (starting QB Bob Griese was hurt earlier in the season).

[jets4life]

Originally Posted by Labonte18

Philadelphia Eagles, Super Bowl 52. Nick Foles won the game, Carson Wentz was starter until injured late in the year.

New England Patriots, Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady was the backup to Drew Bledsoe.

Baltimore Ravens, Super Bowl 35.. Trent Dilfer was the backup, took over after week 9 due to Tony Banks being ineffective.

St Louis Rams, Super Bowl 34 (Three in a row!).. Kurt Warner was the backup. Starter Trent Green was knocked out in the preseason for the year.

New York Giants. Super Bowl 25. Phil Simms was lost for the year in week 15. Jeff Hostetler led them to the Super Bowl victory.

Washington Redskins. Super Bowl 22. Doug Williams was the backup, he replaced Jay Schroeder off and on throughout the year. This.. Almost could be considered a 'co-starters' situation.

Los Angeles Raiders, Super Bowl 18.. This one's a little cheap as well. Plunkett was benched for Marc Wilson, who then broke his shoulder.. Putting Plunkett back in.

Honestly.. That's as far back as I can remember.

If you were trying to say it was unlikely.. Poor analogy choice.

None of these examples were backup QB's when the playoffs started. Foles and Hostetler may be the closest example to a backup QB on that list. The idea that Tom Brady or Kurt Warner were "backup Quarterbacks" are especially ridiculous, considering they played nearly every single game of that season as the starting QB, and it was clear they were much better than their injured QB counterpart, and by the time Bledsoe and Green were healthy, they were demoted to backup themselves.

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by Janel "Jaycee" Miller

Allow me to respectfully add one more Super Bowl to the list: the Miami Dolphins won Super Bowl VII (and by doing so, completed the only undefeated season in NFL history) with backup quarterback Earl Morrall (starting QB Bob Griese was hurt earlier in the season).

As I said, get before '82.. Things get a little sketchy for me. But, good catch regardless. All I can remember from that game is the Garo "pass". And no, I'm not going to try to spell his last name!

Originally Posted by jets4life

None of these examples were backup QB's when the playoffs started. Foles and Hostetler may be the closest example to a backup QB on that list. The idea that Tom Brady or Kurt Warner were "backup Quarterbacks" are especially ridiculous, considering they played nearly every single game of that season as the starting QB, and it was clear they were much better than their injured QB counterpart, and by the time Bledsoe and Green were healthy, they were demoted to backup themselves.

Brady and Warner were backups. They wouldn't have seen the field if the starter wasn't hurt. Because Bledsoe and Trent Green were embedded as starters. Trent Green was a hell of a player who had concussion issues.. But, Warner was bagging groceries at the local HyVee a couple of months before the season! If that isn't a backup, I don't know what is. Win a Super Bowl with the guy you pick up a the corner supermarket.

However.. Even after moving the goalposts by saying "Backup in the playoffs"....

In 1987, Jay Schroeder started the final game of the season against the Vikings. the Redskins won in OT.. Gibbs made the change to start Doug Williams in the playoffs. Schroeder was actually hurt in the first game of the season.. Williams completed the game and started the next one. At which time then Ed Rubbert started the next three games before being hurt and replaced with Tony Robinson, who was let out of prison to play.. I swear.. I couldn't make this crap up. This was the basis for the Keanu movie "The Replacements"

Schroeder came back after the strike and started the next four games, at which time Tony Robinson had returned to prison was benched for ineffectiveness and replaced by Williams, before Williams was again benched and Schroeder started the rest of the season.. Before being replaced for the playoffs by Doug Williams. Schroeder actually came in and played.. as I recall, 1 down in the Super Bowl after Doug Williams hyperextended his knee in the first quarter. Williams came back in and had a quarter for the ages.

And, just to try and keep this SLIGHTLY in line here.. For 30 years.. The Unsolved Mystery was where the Super Bowl rings for Ed and Tony were. Because they never got one. Until 2018 when the entire replacement player roster received rings. Which may be the ONE good thing the current ownership has ever done.

Just for fun here.. The first replacement game was Washington vs St Louis (Cardinals!) and I actually went to that game at the old RFK. Only Redskins game I've ever been to, because when I lived in the area (up until '91).. You couldn't get tickets. Now, they give them away.. But back then.. that waiting list was real. Anthony Allen set the franchise receiving yards mark in that game. A record that still stands. 255 yards.