Tami Lynn Leppert

[JannTosh]

Anyone surprised the Tami Lynn Leppert case hasn’t seemed to have been covered by any other true crime show?

[JannTosh]

Anyone think it is kind of strange Tami Lynn’s disappearance hasn’t been covered by any other shows besides UM?

[Clockwork]

The things that a beauty queen or a child actress could see are staggering. Tami obviously saw something, and she is in the wrong business when it comes to seeing the wrong things. There are a ton of powerful people in Hollywood. There could have been something they wanted her to do, or something they wanted her to see so they could hold it over her. Whatever it was, it obviously freaked her out.

This happens more than you think. Look up the name Isaac Kappy. Not a well known actor, but a guy who just like Tami claimed they were out to kill him. He was painted as being crazy, and told people in a video that he would NOT kill himself if he were ever found dead. And he was found dead after jumping/being pushed off a bridge if I recall.

Anyway, this stuff happens all of the time in that industry and people don't realize it. Tami was a victim of that in my opinion. What she saw on that weekend away was the key to how far she was willing to go to pursue a movie career. In my opinion.

[James T]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

The things that a beauty queen or a child actress could see are staggering. Tami obviously saw something, and she is in the wrong business when it comes to seeing the wrong things. There are a ton of powerful people in Hollywood. There could have been something they wanted her to do, or something they wanted her to see so they could hold it over her. Whatever it was, it obviously freaked her out.

This happens more than you think. Look up the name Isaac Kappy. Not a well known actor, but a guy who just like Tami claimed they were out to kill him. He was painted as being crazy, and told people in a video that he would NOT kill himself if he were ever found dead. And he was found dead after jumping/being pushed off a bridge if I recall.

Anyway, this stuff happens all of the time in that industry and people don't realize it. Tami was a victim of that in my opinion. What she saw on that weekend away was the key to how far she was willing to go to pursue a movie career. In my opinion.

Except by this logic everybody on film sets would be dead due to 'what they have seen' not really sure where this comes from, film sets are generally quite boring places, everything is mapped out & has to run to time constraints/budgets.

There simply isn't time for drug cartels, human traffickers & every other bogeyman theory blamed for every vanishing woman or child nowadays to be doing their stuff.

Isn't it funny how we see over & over paranoid/mentally ill/criminal people going around telling everybody that dangerous people are after them, there are huge conspiracies against them & if they end dead or missing then it is always foul play by these people?

Reality in the case of Kappy-who was clearly like many others after Trump got elected & Pizzagate/QAnon totally out of his mind with the baseless accusations he was making & left a suicide note, Cindy James, the Octopus guy etc that they took their own lives & in some cases tried to make it look like a hit-so their wacky theories would live on/they would be famous after death, while not finding it in life.

As for Tammy, I suspect she just had mental issues/substance abuse/alcohol issues, issues with her family & most likely just got into the wrong car that day-whether that be her boyfriends, or if he is telling the truth after she got out & likely hitchhiked.

Her mental problems might well have been caused by her mother entering her into 'child beauty contests' at the age of just 4 & having been in 300 of them by the time she was 16-her childhood & adolescence consisted of her being dressed up to look like a porn actress/hooker on stage for the benefit of sick paedophile men & deranged women (living vicariously through their daughters) just like Jon-Benet was & documentaries etc have shown how horrendous these mothers usually are if the kids don't win, or even don't want to parade around on stage.

She likely came into contact with lots of unsavoury men who judge these events/hang out at them & quite possibly was abused by them, while possibly being abused by her mother mentally. Even if these things didn't happen this is still not an environment for a child to be in & one that is quite likely to lead to mental problems down the line.

[dynoguy88]

Originally Posted by James T

Except by this logic everybody on film sets would be dead due to 'what they have seen' not really sure where this comes from, film sets are generally quite boring places, everything is mapped out & has to run to time constraints/budgets.

There simply isn't time for drug cartels, human traffickers & every other bogeyman theory blamed for every vanishing woman or child nowadays to be doing their stuff.

I agree. And why wait an entire year to do away with her? I don't doubt she could have been exposed to unsettling things at this party but I'd be shocked if they were serious enough to lead to this type of paranoia. I too think it boils down to her getting in the wrong car with the wrong person. Maybe even a person she thought she could trust.

I don't see the runaway scenario because of the exact reason her mother gave in the segment. She was very soon getting ready to go to California for 3 months. A newspaper article mentioned how badly she wanted to break into a film or tv career and how tired she was of the beauty pageants. She was now at a point where she would be on the other side of the country doing auditions and not doing pageants. That's a major plus for her. If after three months and the auditions had NOT turned out well and there was the possibility of going back to Florida and doing pageants again, I could understand running away THEN but not at THIS moment.

Also, a complete mental breakdown at the point of the argument and being dropped off at the Glass Bank is too convenient for me. She had the mental wherewithal to walk to the payphone across the street outside the Exon Station and make multiple phone calls to her aunt who she knew worked not far from that location. Unfortunately, the aunt happened to be out of town that day and wasn't able to receive the calls. So I'm thinking whoever picked her up happened shortly after the last phone call. Only this person knows what happened after that.

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by James T

Except by this logic everybody on film sets would be dead due to 'what they have seen' not really sure where this comes from, film sets are generally quite boring places, everything is mapped out & has to run to time constraints/budgets.

There simply isn't time for drug cartels, human traffickers & every other bogeyman theory blamed for every vanishing woman or child nowadays to be doing their stuff.

Isn't it funny how we see over & over paranoid/mentally ill/criminal people going around telling everybody that dangerous people are after them, there are huge conspiracies against them & if they end dead or missing then it is always foul play by these people?

Reality in the case of Kappy-who was clearly like many others after Trump got elected & Pizzagate/QAnon totally out of his mind with the baseless accusations he was making & left a suicide note, Cindy James, the Octopus guy etc that they took their own lives & in some cases tried to make it look like a hit-so their wacky theories would live on/they would be famous after death, while not finding it in life.

As for Tammy, I suspect she just had mental issues/substance abuse/alcohol issues, issues with her family & most likely just got into the wrong car that day-whether that be her boyfriends, or if he is telling the truth after she got out & likely hitchhiked.

Her mental problems might well have been caused by her mother entering her into 'child beauty contests' at the age of just 4 & having been in 300 of them by the time she was 16-her childhood & adolescence consisted of her being dressed up to look like a porn actress/hooker on stage for the benefit of sick paedophile men & deranged women (living vicariously through their daughters) just like Jon-Benet was & documentaries etc have shown how horrendous these mothers usually are if the kids don't win, or even don't want to parade around on stage.

She likely came into contact with lots of unsavoury men who judge these events/hang out at them & quite possibly was abused by them, while possibly being abused by her mother mentally. Even if these things didn't happen this is still not an environment for a child to be in & one that is quite likely to lead to mental problems down the line.

I'll disagree with half, but I can agree on some of the latter half. Tami was around a lot of men that had..................let's say, some poor intent with her. It didn't just start when she was 16. There could have been a long line of things that led to her demise, but the key here is that her behaviour changed after she came back from that trip. What happened there, what did she see? Who knows. But there is little doubt in my mind that she would have seen something, or something happened to her where she was extorted or bribed or told to keep quiet.

When celebrities of the past speak out about things it never gets a lot of press. But there are horrible things that happen in Hollywood, and I believe Elijah Wood, Corey Feldman, Todd Bridges, etc. guys that like who have spoken out against it. Feldman said when he was a child star he was "surrounded" by pedophiles.

Anyway, this discussion takes a LOT longer than just a couple of paragraphs, but my thought is Tami was long being groomed for super stardom but didn't want the consequences that come with it. It goes beyond just a casting couch in Hollywood.

[James T]

Originally Posted by dynoguy88

I agree. And why wait an entire year to do away with her? I don't doubt she could have been exposed to unsettling things at this party but I'd be shocked if they were serious enough to lead to this type of paranoia. I too think it boils down to her getting in the wrong car with the wrong person. Maybe even a person she thought she could trust.

I don't see the runaway scenario because of the exact reason her mother gave in the segment. She was very soon getting ready to go to California for 3 months. A newspaper article mentioned how badly she wanted to break into a film or tv career and how tired she was of the beauty pageants. She was now at a point where she would be on the other side of the country doing auditions and not doing pageants. That's a major plus for her. If after three months and the auditions had NOT turned out well and there was the possibility of going back to Florida and doing pageants again, I could understand running away THEN but not at THIS moment.


Also, a complete mental breakdown at the point of the argument and being dropped off at the Glass Bank is too convenient for me. She had the mental wherewithal to walk to the payphone across the street outside the Exon Station and make multiple phone calls to her aunt who she knew worked not far from that location. Unfortunately, the aunt happened to be out of town that day and wasn't able to receive the calls. So I'm thinking whoever picked her up happened shortly after the last phone call. Only this person knows what happened after that.

Yep, I don't believe she ran away to start a new life & has remained hidden for 40 years, she stands out too much for nobody to recognise her.

[James T]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

I'll disagree with half, but I can agree on some of the latter half. Tami was around a lot of men that had..................let's say, some poor intent with her. It didn't just start when she was 16. There could have been a long line of things that led to her demise, but the key here is that her behaviour changed after she came back from that trip. What happened there, what did she see? Who knows. But there is little doubt in my mind that she would have seen something, or something happened to her where she was extorted or bribed or told to keep quiet.

When celebrities of the past speak out about things it never gets a lot of press. But there are horrible things that happen in Hollywood, and I believe Elijah Wood, Corey Feldman, Todd Bridges, etc. guys that like who have spoken out against it. Feldman said when he was a child star he was "surrounded" by pedophiles.

Anyway, this discussion takes a LOT longer than just a couple of paragraphs, but my thought is Tami was long being groomed for super stardom but didn't want the consequences that come with it. It goes beyond just a casting couch in Hollywood.

No question-nonces go where kids are & if they have total access & a hold over them like school teachers, clergy & the entertainment industry then it is a dream for them. Imagine handing your kid over to a bunch of random men at the age of 5-14 like the girl from Poltergeist, Britney, Christina etc.

[infinityluxe]

Originally Posted by JannTosh

Anyone surprised the Tami Lynn Leppert case hasn’t seemed to have been covered by any other true crime show?

I think its very interesting that this case has pretty much went cold from day one.

I feel like Tammy saw something she wasn't supposed to see and with her mental health issues someone made sure she wouldn't tell.

Tammy's future seemed really bright as well.

[James T]

Originally Posted by infinityluxe

I think its very interesting that this case has pretty much went cold from day one.

I feel like Tammy saw something she wasn't supposed to see and with her mental health issues someone made sure she wouldn't tell.

Tammy's future seemed really bright as well.

The problem as another poster said is why wait so long? You would silence somebody quickly before they had the chance to spill the beans, not wait a year plus.

I think Occam's Razor applies here, attractive young woman either gets into an argument/tries to fight off an unwanted advance from somebody she knows, or gets into the wrong car hitchhiking. The mental health stuff/paranoia is just a distraction.

[EighthStreet]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

I'll disagree with half, but I can agree on some of the latter half. Tami was around a lot of men that had..................let's say, some poor intent with her. It didn't just start when she was 16.

Stole the words right out of my keyboard. In light of what is common knowledge now I would say it's highly probable that her breakdown was the result of either her own abuse as a child, or witnessing some other child being abused.

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by EighthStreet

Stole the words right out of my keyboard. In light of what is common knowledge now I would say it's highly probable that her breakdown was the result of either her own abuse as a child, or witnessing some other child being abused.

Right. We'll never know the things she witnessed that weekend, but it was something that rattled her to her core. It explains why she didn't tell anyone. I suspect she would have been told not to tell a soul about it in exchange for a glamorous career.

Originally Posted by James T

No question-nonces go where kids are & if they have total access & a hold over them like school teachers, clergy & the entertainment industry then it is a dream for them. Imagine handing your kid over to a bunch of random men at the age of 5-14 like the girl from Poltergeist, Britney, Christina etc.

Oh yeah, poor Heather O'Rourke, her death was extremely suspicious. I think she was around a lot of bad men. Tami was too. There are things a girl like her quite often needs to do in order to succeed. Keep in mind, someone like Harvey Weinstein was publicly adored back in the day. Meryl Streep of all people called him "God" once. There always has, and there always will be guys like him to have control over women that want to be famous. And the things that often are done aren't pretty. We have only heard the tip of the iceberg in recent years.

Anyway, this is what I think Tami would have been struggling with. Does she want to continue in that sort of environment for her career or does she walk away? My guess is the paranoia was real and legit.

On a different note, even someone like Coolio is a good example of a guy who, before he died last year, revealed some things that other men wanted him to do in order to move on. Stuff he was appalled by.

[James T]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

Anyway, this is what I think Tami would have been struggling with. Does she want to continue in that sort of environment for her career or does she walk away? My guess is the paranoia was real and legit

I think her bigger problem was the fear of not making it. She allegedly won 280 of the 300 pageants she had been entered in from 4-16 years old, which is a ridiculous hit rate.

Now she likely had the Marilyn Monroe, Pamela Anderson etc conundrum-she was forever going to be cast as the blonde eye candy & was unlikely to become anything other than a bit player in Hollywood. Not only would that have been a problem for her, but also likely her mother.

[TheCars1986]

The conventional wisdom would say that she hitchhiked with the wrong person and met with foul play. But I stumbled upon this reddit thread. At the time of her disappearance, Tammy lived on Merritt Island. It's about a 10 minute drive to Cocoa Beach. The friend who dropped her off near a gas station told the police that Tammy told him that she was unhappy about living at home, slept with a knife under her pillow, her mother had committed her to a mental institution, and that she wanted to run away.

Tammy asked the friend for some money and a ride to Ft. Lauderdale. He claims to have given her $300, but when he declined the ride she started to freak out and demanded to be left out. He leaves her at the gas station and she calls her aunt and a friend who had a video store near where she was. Neither one of them answered the calls and she was never seen again. I'm going to assume that she left some sort of voicemails on this calls, or else how would anyone know that it was Tammy calling from that particular payphone?

She's telling various people that she's scared, she wants to run away, etc. She's calling people shortly after being dropped off at the gas station. What if the third person she called picked up and agreed to give her a ride to Ft. Lauderdale? According to Wikipedia, a detective received two calls in February of 1985 stating that Tammy was a live and attending nursing school. It should also be noted that the friend did not abandon Tammy in the middle of nowhere. She was about 5 miles from her home and it was 2 days removed from the 4th of July on a Wednesday afternoon. Her mother did not report her missing for a week. Is it that much of a stretch to think she managed to hitch a ride to somewhere in Florida and met with foul play elsewhere? Could she still be alive?

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

The conventional wisdom would say that she hitchhiked with the wrong person and met with foul play. But I stumbled upon this reddit thread. At the time of her disappearance, Tammy lived on Merritt Island. It's about a 10 minute drive to Cocoa Beach. The friend who dropped her off near a gas station told the police that Tammy told him that she was unhappy about living at home, slept with a knife under her pillow, her mother had committed her to a mental institution, and that she wanted to run away.

Tammy asked the friend for some money and a ride to Ft. Lauderdale. He claims to have given her $300, but when he declined the ride she started to freak out and demanded to be left out. He leaves her at the gas station and she calls her aunt and a friend who had a video store near where she was. Neither one of them answered the calls and she was never seen again. I'm going to assume that she left some sort of voicemails on this calls, or else how would anyone know that it was Tammy calling from that particular payphone?

She's telling various people that she's scared, she wants to run away, etc. She's calling people shortly after being dropped off at the gas station. What if the third person she called picked up and agreed to give her a ride to Ft. Lauderdale? According to Wikipedia, a detective received two calls in February of 1985 stating that Tammy was a live and attending nursing school. It should also be noted that the friend did not abandon Tammy in the middle of nowhere. She was about 5 miles from her home and it was 2 days removed from the 4th of July on a Wednesday afternoon. Her mother did not report her missing for a week. Is it that much of a stretch to think she managed to hitch a ride to somewhere in Florida and met with foul play elsewhere? Could she still be alive?

All possibilities.