Mystery at Mile Marker 45

[SarcasticBella]

Would love to open a discussion for those that have watched the 1st episode that was released today.

God bless this family, I can only imagine their pain and the struggle to get through life now without their daughter. That being said, tragically, IMO, this was nothing more than a suicide, and they aren’t able to process that fact. Nothing was presented in the episode that would lead me to believe otherwise, and a lot of the things brought up just seemed like they were reaching to me.

Personally, it seemed like a spur of the moment decision, but I didn’t see any evidence of foul play presented. And I know they are adamant that their child was not depressed or suicidal. Sue Klebold wrote an entire book of the warning signs she missed with her son Dylan, and one of the big things she mentions is how many suicidal people will continue to make plans knowing they won’t be here for them. Chester Bennington’s wife didn’t see his suicide coming, and neither did the family of Robin Williams. As much as we’d like to believe that we would see the warning signs in a loved one, sometimes they just aren’t there for us to see in time.

[comicbookwriter]

This case slightly reminds me of the situation out in Kansas from the first season with the African-American guy going missing at the party.

The weird thing for me is why she left the party to go wandering around in the darkness in the first place?

However, I do suspect something went wrong because of the placement of her clothing and the distance from where she was last seen to the spot of the train impact.

It is feasible (50-50) for me to believe that someone did attempt an abduction/sexual assault and things got out of hand to where she was either killed and dumped onto the tracks OR she was fleeing the perpetrator(s) and wound up getting hit by the train.

Just my initial reactions...

Originally Posted by SarcasticBella

Would love to open a discussion for those that have watched the 1st episode that was released today.

God bless this family, I can only imagine their pain and the struggle to get through life now without their daughter. That being said, tragically, IMO, this was nothing more than a suicide, and they aren’t able to process that fact. Nothing was presented in the episode that would lead me to believe otherwise, and a lot of the things brought up just seemed like they were reaching to me.

Personally, it seemed like a spur of the moment decision, but I didn’t see any evidence of foul play presented. And I know they are adamant that their child was not depressed or suicidal. Sue Klebold wrote an entire book of the warning signs she missed with her son Dylan, and one of the big things she mentions is how many suicidal people will continue to make plans knowing they won’t be here for them. Chester Bennington’s wife didn’t see his suicide coming, and neither did the family of Robin Williams. As much as we’d like to believe that we would see the warning signs in a loved one, sometimes they just aren’t there for us to see in time.

[ghosthouse]

Her family's concerns and theories are completely plausible IMO.

But tada bad police work rears it's ugly head again and we'll never know.

EDIT: Of course Unsolved Mysteries leaves some things out, including a ton of stuff mentioned here:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tiffan...die-by-suicide

Definitely room to believe she was depressed/dealing with mental illness after reading that.

[drew790]

Like so many of the cases that fall into this Unsolved Mysteries trope of the Not-Suicide-Suicide ... I'm not buying the mystery.

The episode didn't make the case.

The deer cam would seem to rule out that she was abducted. There are no real clear suspects presented (though this is a common failing of the new show, like they're more afraid of being sued than they are presenting the aspects of a case). We're left with the age old it couldn't have been suicide because "it's not like her".

To me, it's seems most plausible that she went for a walk and perhaps tripped and fell at the wrong time.

[drew790]

Originally Posted by ghosthouse

EDIT: Of course Unsolved Mysteries leaves some things out, including a ton of stuff mentioned here:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tiffan...die-by-suicide

Definitely room to believe she was depressed/dealing with mental illness after reading that.

See, this is why the new Unsolved Mysteries is officially trash. How do we get less information in 50 minute episodes than we used to get in 12 minute segments?!

The family is not being forthright about the situation. There are a litany of instabilities presented, including that the mother had punched her daughter and child services became involved. Then that her family were denying her sexuality as a phase and that she was feeling isolated by her peers. But they obviously misrepresented the situation to their paid medical examiner:

"She noted that death by train is “an extremely unusual method of suicide to be contemplated by anyone, especially a female teenager with no history of emotional instability."

Anyway, yeah. Suicide or accident. Period.

[SarcasticBella]

Originally Posted by drew790

See, this is why the new Unsolved Mysteries is officially trash. How do we get less information in 50 minute episodes than we used to get in 12 minute segments?!

The family is not being forthright about the situation. There are a litany of instabilities presented, including that the mother had punched her daughter and child services became involved. Then that her family were denying her sexuality as a phase and that she was feeling isolated by her peers. But they obviously misrepresented the situation to their paid medical examiner:

"She noted that death by train is “an extremely unusual method of suicide to be contemplated by anyone, especially a female teenager with no history of emotional instability."

Anyway, yeah. Suicide or accident. Period.

Yeah, I had read some Reddit threads from about 5 years ago, and a lot was left out. The family appears to have been really rigid on how they wanted this presented. I don’t think it was so much UM wanting to leave this information out as it was her family not wanting this to be allowed in. Because when you really start to piece things together, and include all the information, it more closely leads to suicide. Though I’d be willing to lean toward accident as well, but I primary believe this was a suicide.

[Hot Jock]

Definite suicide IMO. The girl had a lot on her plate as it was and then add to that the shame she must have felt in the moment. She had recently ended her first serious relationship. And her parents were not at all accepting of her sexuality and just chalked it up as a “phase” she was going through. Then she stole from her friend via her debit card and then lied about it to said friend and her own parents, then was busted in the lie almost immediately after and within minutes took off on foot by herself while tensions were still high. The poor girl had to have been riddled with guilt and probably thought that everyone hated her and made a rash decision. It’s definitely a sad case but it’s not a very mysterious one.

[BDR]

Suicide and it's not even close. No Mystery here they are just trying to manufacture some mystery.

[alistaircranium]

Most definitely NOT suicide. I can’t believe you people would say something so sickening.

[comicbookwriter]

Originally Posted by alistaircranium

Most definitely NOT suicide. I can’t believe you people would say something so sickening.

Exactly.

Folks here love to rush to suicide explanations.

No one has explained how she got that far down the road in bare feet without significant damage to her soles. Not to mention the weird placement of her clothing.

[alistaircranium]

People are way too quick to believe the “official” story without using any critical thinking skills.

[infinityluxe]

Originally Posted by drew790

See, this is why the new Unsolved Mysteries is officially trash. How do we get less information in 50 minute episodes than we used to get in 12 minute segments?!

The family is not being forthright about the situation. There are a litany of instabilities presented, including that the mother had punched her daughter and child services became involved. Then that her family were denying her sexuality as a phase and that she was feeling isolated by her peers. But they obviously misrepresented the situation to their paid medical examiner:

"She noted that death by train is “an extremely unusual method of suicide to be contemplated by anyone, especially a female teenager with no history of emotional instability."

Anyway, yeah. Suicide or accident. Period.

You have some valid points this version of UM is complete trash. I keep trying to give it a chance.They spent 50 minutes on we didn't even get adequate information pertaining to the case. Yes what I don't like about this new Unsolved Mysteries is it gives the family the complete narrative. This is why an unbiased host is necessary for a show like this. I'm going to keep watching but this episode could have been given to DISAPPEARED it gave nothing to UM fans at all. I couldn't help but think about the episode with the two boys who were laid on the tracks on the OG series of UM.

This is probably one of the most asinine ways to commit suicide for a young lady so I'm not buying suicide. There are easier ways to do it and most women slit their wrists or take pills (some do blow their brains out but its rare) because they are vain and care about how they will look.

Anyone who lays on train tracks has to be drugged or mentally ill in my opinion that is just super super extreme.

I wonder what her relationships were like with her older siblings they didn't touch on that at all really. I think she was probably meeting up with someone she knew and trusted and something went awry while meeting that person. The fact she is basically naked is alarming.

The police botched yet another case. I still don't think this was UM material it felt like an episode of DISAPPEARED honestly.

I disagree with you this was not suicide or an accident this young lady was clearly murdered. No one accidentally gets hit by a train in the wee hours of the night wearing their underwear and sports bra or jumps in front of a moving train willingly basically naked. I'm not buying it. She was murdered and I think it was someone she knew.

[infinityluxe]

Originally Posted by comicbookwriter

Exactly.

Folks here love to rush to suicide explanations.

No one has explained how she got that far down the road in bare feet without significant damage to her soles. Not to mention the weird placement of her clothing.

I have noticed that trend on this site as well. I feel like she was raped and killed more than likely by someone she knew. The fact she was a lesbian makes me think it could have been a guy who had a crush on her who may have been a friend or acquaintance.

[Zero]

Originally Posted by infinityluxe

You have some valid points this version of UM is complete trash. I keep trying to give it a chance.They spent 50 minutes on we didn't even get adequate information pertaining to the case. Yes what I don't like about this new Unsolved Mysteries is it gives the family the complete narrative. This is why an unbiased host is necessary for a show like this. I'm going to keep watching but this episode could have been given to DISAPPEARED it gave nothing to UM fans at all. I couldn't help but think about the episode with the two boys who were laid on the tracks on the OG series of UM.

This is probably one of the most asinine ways to commit suicide for a young lady so I'm not buying suicide. There are easier ways to do it and most women slit their wrists or take pills (some do blow their brains out but its rare) because they are vain and care about how they will look.

Anyone who lays on train tracks has to be drugged or mentally ill in my opinion that is just super super extreme.

I wonder what her relationships were like with her older siblings they didn't touch on that at all really. I think she was probably meeting up with someone she knew and trusted and something went awry while meeting that person. The fact she is basically naked is alarming.

The police botched yet another case. I still don't think this was UM material it felt like an episode of DISAPPEARED honestly.

I disagree with you this was not suicide or an accident this young lady was clearly murdered. No one accidentally gets hit by a train in the wee hours of the night wearing their underwear and sports bra or jumps in front of a moving train willingly basically naked. I'm not buying it. She was murdered and I think it was someone she knew.

I've got to say, in the moment, someone that desperate would throw themselves in front of an oncoming train. That's as sure a fast death as shooting ones self in the head. That said, I don't completely buy the "suicide" explanation.

Yes, police sucked and botched this case big time.

[Zero]

Call me naive but, how does one "accidentally" get hit by a train if they're stone cold sober? Sure, getting a foot stuck in the tracks is one thing but that was clearly not the case here. So yeah, how does anyone aware, awake and not suicidal accidentally get hit by a train?

Trains are LOUD! They make a lot of noise when they're coming down the tracks at 80 mph. At night, they have a bright af light on. They rumble the tracks and earth the closer they get to you. Doesn't seem to be the same as accidentally stepping off the side walk and in front of an oncoming car.

Someone wearing headphones maybe? Oblivious to the noise? But then at night with the light and... yeah.

Maybe she got sleepy and decided to take a little snooze on the train tracks. As opposed to ANYWHERE else. That's an accident waiting to happen I suppose...