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Old 04-20-2018, 06:33 AM   #106
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Cars, have you seen the original Final Appeal episode? If not, let me know!
The only version that I've seen is the Farina version. Aside from Jeffrey MacDonald, I don't think I've ever seen any of the original Final Appeal spinoff episodes.
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After watching the full segment for the first time, I have to say that the reason they actually featured the case was because of the witnesses who claim to have seen Cathy Ford alive a year after Ferrell's conviction. And I also like the scene showing one of the investigators wearing a Baltimore Orioles hat after finding Cathy's burned Bronco.

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After watching the full segment for the first time, I have to say that the reason they actually featured the case was because of the witnesses who claim to have seen Cathy Ford alive a year after Ferrell's conviction. And I also like the scene showing one of the investigators wearing a Baltimore Orioles hat after finding Cathy's burned Bronco.

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Same. I think this was was probably the "juiciest" aspect that could be served up on the show, hence why film and reenactment time was devoted to it. I personally think the blood evidence was probably the most compelling issue in any consideration of a Ferrell appeal, and it was definitely discussed in the segment. But thoroughly dissecting such evidence might have been considered too technical and dull for audiences, and an after-disappearance sighting makes for an easy story and a dramatic re-creation.

Also, the decision on Ferrell's 1990 appeal seemed to be, essentially, 'Sorry you didn't get a perfect trial, but your rights weren't violated.' I personally would have liked to have seen more in-depth interview from the prosecution and defense attorneys on that particular issue, instead of say, Kim Nelson--who I have conflicting feelings about as to the value of her testimony, at least on the 'screams' stuff.

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After watching the full segment for the first time, I have to say that the reason they actually featured the case was because of the witnesses who claim to have seen Cathy Ford alive a year after Ferrell's conviction. And I also like the scene showing one of the investigators wearing a Baltimore Orioles hat after finding Cathy's burned Bronco.

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You also have to factor in the context of the time it aired. It was the second episode of a new TV series they were hoping would hit. Hell, they opened the season with the MacDonald case the week prior.

My point is the Ferrell story was tawdry, trashy, and had sex appeal. The much older cop having an affair with a teenage girl, the phone calls, the possibility that the chick was still alive. It made for good, sensational, tabloid entertainment. It was the perfect case to profile.
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You also have to factor in the context of the time it aired. It was the second episode of a new TV series they were hoping would hit. Hell, they opened the season with the MacDonald case the week prior.

My point is the Ferrell story was tawdry, trashy, and had sex appeal. The much older cop having an affair with a teenage girl, the phone calls, the possibility that the chick was still alive. It made for good, sensational, tabloid entertainment. It was the perfect case to profile.
It's true. All you get are some attorneys on opposing sides of the trial making some broad statements (the prosecution saying, in essence, "We didn't do anything wrong" and the defense saying, "The prosecution's evidence was crappy and never should have been admitted" without really elaborating), the accused's parents and former fiancee talking about how wonderful he is, a young woman making some brief remarks about being mislead by the prosecution, and what many would consider a hillbilly couple claiming something about being forced to testify to an affidavit. And Martin Yant thrown in at the end with the "eyewitness" story for the final twist (if you can even glean a twist from this particular story).
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I personally think the blood evidence was probably the most compelling issue in any consideration of a Ferrell appeal, and it was definitely discussed in the segment. But thoroughly dissecting such evidence might have been considered too technical and dull for audiences, and an after-disappearance sighting makes for an easy story and a dramatic re-creation.
I honestly had forgot that blood splatter was found on the floors as well as the ceilings in what was described by the prosecutor as having "proven" that Cathy Ford was killed in that trailer. In other words, the blood was not small enough in quantity to have simply come from someone cutting their finger. Meaning there was a substantial amount found. And although the blood was not proven to have come from Cathy, the blood was proven to have come from a woman. What other woman could have bleed so profusely in Ferrell's trailer?

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Same.

Witnesses who testify at trial (and essentially "help" convict people) change their tunes all the time. It could be due to pressure from the grassroots movement that Ferrell was innocent, or it could be a guilty conscience that they have because of the thought that perhaps Ferrell may have been innocent. The prosecutor echoed this in the segment.
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You also have to factor in the context of the time it aired. It was the second episode of a new TV series they were hoping would hit. Hell, they opened the season with the MacDonald case the week prior.

My point is the Ferrell story was tawdry, trashy, and had sex appeal. The much older cop having an affair with a teenage girl, the phone calls, the possibility that the chick was still alive. It made for good, sensational, tabloid entertainment. It was the perfect case to profile.
Oh I have no issue as to why they profiled it because as you say it is a perfect segment for a new spin off show. But I'm not so sure this segment would have made it had Cathy's body been found.
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Oh I have no issue as to why they profiled it because as you say it is a perfect segment for a new spin off show. But I'm not so sure this segment would have made it had Cathy's body been found.
It was a great hook. I have some advertising for this particular episode of the show on an old tape and in the commercial they play up the fact that Ferrell was convicted, but "could she still be alive?!?!"
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Witnesses who testify at trial (and essentially "help" convict people) change their tunes all the time. It could be due to pressure from the grassroots movement that Ferrell was innocent, or it could be a guilty conscience that they have because of the thought that perhaps Ferrell may have been innocent. The prosecutor echoed this in the segment.
That town was microscopic. Didn't Ferrell's family run the general store? I'm sure everybody knew everybody and there was probably a lot of informal pressure to rally behind the "innocent/wrongful conviction" angle.
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I’ve only ever seen the Farina version of this segment myself. If someone could PM me and point me in the right direction to the original, uncut Stack version I would appreciate it ever so much. ✌️
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It was a little subtle, but even Robert Stack's narration sounded dubious when he said, "But Paul claims it was just another stupid mistake" over him writing the letter posing as Cathy.
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Just saw this for the first time (it's only available on Farina UM).

What a complete waste of time this segment was. His whole interview can be summed up as "I did a whole bunch of stupid things and yes, it makes me look bad...uhhh, what was my argument again? Never mind I don't have one. You should just believe me lol."

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I did notice that journalist Martin Yant was interviewed, who I recognized from the Circleville Writer segment.
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I agreed until I saw the full "Final Appeal" episode about this case which had interviews with witnesses who swore that they saw Cathy Ford alive over a year after Ferrell was convicted. There were other odds and ends that were ultimately cut out of the Farina version that made the segment seem more "balanced".
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I finally found a picture of the restaurant that the Ford's owned. You could never see it clearly from Google Earth. Looks like someone bought the property recently.

https://www.railey.com/listing/10020...land-md-21550/
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I had no idea Darvin Moon died back in 2020. He was only 56 years old.

I recently re-watched this segment (Farina version), and one thing stood out to me. Ferrell says that he went bowling on the night Cathy disappeared at around 8:30 p.m. Employees said that a female had been calling repeatedly trying to reach Ferrell. MegtheEgg had received several articles from Martin Yant a few years ago, and on this post confirmed that these phone calls were real, and that it couldn't have been Ferrell's girlfriend making the phone calls. So who was this woman? Ferrell says he called the number and Cathy answered and wanted to meet him at his trailer. He refused, but said he would meet her at a local high school parking lot. Which would make sense, because the school was right next to the bowling alley, and Ferrell claimed that Cathy said she was calling from a payphone of a nearby convenience store. My question is: if this woman wasn't Cathy Ford, because in all likelihood Ferrell had already murdered her, who was she?

Cathy was last seen alive at 2:00 p.m. on the day she disappeared. Ferrell's neighbor testified that she heard terrible screams coming from the trailer between 1:00 p.m. and 2:00 p.m. that lasted about a minute, and then a gunshot. I think she could have been mistaken about the time, and that it was really between 2:00 p.m. and 3:00 p.m. She saw a man driving Ferrell's vehicle leaving and then returned roughly a half an hour later. He drove away "later in the afternoon" and she identified the driver as Ferrell. Ferrell's parents saw him at their home at around 6:00 p.m. that evening, and then he was seen at the bowling alley at 8:30 p.m., but only stayed for a few minutes before leaving. The next morning, the neighbor saw "the same man" she saw driving Ferrell's vehicle burning something in Ferrell's backyard.

IMO, Ferrell lied and enticed Cathy Ford to his trailer, tried coming on to her, she freaked out, and in a panic he struggled with her before shooting her. He hastily had to get rid of her body and clean up the scene, but he also had to be seen by witnesses. Cathy's Bronco was already at his trailer, so he didn't have to move it too far and he (stupidly) torched it on his property. But the phone calls to the bowling alley still bother me. Who called him there? Was it someone looking for Cathy? If it was, that would explain him freaking out and leaving the alley shortly after placing the phone call to the number left for him. Ferrell also called out of work sick the next day, so he had all day to attempt to cover up the crime and ditch Cathy's body.
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