Angela Hammond - Girl abducted from phone booth

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by Stratego

I don't know what this town looks like or where everything is situated, so it's difficult to speculate what he could or could not have been doing. But perhaps his car did break down as the result of a sudden reverse he made because he wanted to go back to the burial site or something. So I stand by my point that it's not a reason to dismiss the Rob did it theory.

Edit: I had the incorrect locations linked. See below post.

[Stratego]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Okay. Rob's truck to where the police station was. Over 45 minutes to walk. He was picked up by a motorist. Angie and Rob were talking on the phone for approximately 30 minutes. Meaning he had about 15-20 minutes to accomplish the perfect murder. It would have taken him approximately 13 minutes just to drive to all of the relevant locations. It is impossible for him to have committed this crime.

Again, you only want to argue why Rob didn't do it, which I already said I wasn't interested in discussing. You can go back several pages to see what I said about Rob and Angela supposedly being on the phone for 30 minutes. I'm not discussing the time frame right now.

So his car was found on that exact spot on Charles E Calvird Drive? Heading what direction? East? West? That map doesn't say where his mother's house or the phone booth were situated, so it doesn't reveal whether or not Rob could possibly have been returning from a "dumping site" so to speak.

I stand by my point that the Rob did it theory can't be dismissed on the assumption that Rob could only have destroyed his transmission on purpose if he were the killer.

EDIT: This post on reddit says he made a right onto West Calvird Drive. So which is it?https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedM...while_using_a/

[dynoguy88]

He didn't do it.

[Stratego]

Originally Posted by dynoguy88

He didn't do it.

Lol, you don't have much of a life, do you???

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by Stratego

So his car was found on that exact spot on Charles E Calvird Drive? Heading what direction? East? West? That map doesn't say where his mother's house or the phone booth were situated, so it doesn't reveal whether or not Rob could possibly have been returning from a "dumping site" so to speak.

I went back and watched the video from that local article that I provided and the cop said that Rob was driving towards the parking lot in a northern direction. I was mistaken about the location of his mother's house. Multiple sources say the house was seven blocks away from the phonebooth. The UM segment also shows him making a u-turn to pursue the truck.

Originally Posted by Stratego

I stand by my point that the Rob did it theory can't be dismissed on the assumption that Rob could only have destroyed his transmission on purpose if he were the killer.

Of course he could have done it accidentally if he was involved. The problem is that the timing makes that scenario impossible.

Originally Posted by Stratego

EDIT: This post on reddit says he made a right onto West Calvird Drive. So which is it?

Charley Project makes no mention of West Calvird Drive. However, this post had an older article written at the time saying that Rob did turn west. That gives him ten minutes to simply drive to all of these locations.

[freakbook]

Rob did it.

This is why this new police "theory" hasn't gone anywhere, and any other theory goes nowhere, because ya'll are on the wrong track.

If the police re-opened the investigation on Rob, and do away with that foolish "cleared" stuff then they would be able to solve this case. Alas, the police are like the people who think Rob is innocent, chasing their tails and discussing theories that go nowhere or make no sense.

And before you quote my comment with tears in your eyes ready to defend Rob, think about this very carefully. Why hasn't anything Rob described to the police (truck, kidnapper description) ever come into fruition? There hasn't been one sighting of this "kidnapper" or truck that abducted Angela. Police relied on Rob's description for YEARS and never got anywhere. Now why is that?

If you use logic instead of emotion, I'm sure you can come up with the answer

[freakbook]

double post

[Stratego]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Of course he could have done it accidentally if he was involved. The problem is that the timing makes that scenario impossible.

As opposed to doing it on purpose? Again, I'm not talking about the time frame, but the suggestion that the Rob did it theory should be dismissed because he couldn't have intentionally destroyed his transmission so easily and conveniently (which I don't agree with either).

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

[That gives him ten minutes to simply drive to all of these locations.

According to the reddit map, his house was about 4 minutes away from the phone booth, and it was also about a 4 minute drive between the phone booth and West Calvird Drive (which is kind of a weird escape route for the kidnapper, to be honest). Again, I'm not interested in discussing the time frame right now, but if you look back in this thread you'll see that I think it's possible Rob left very shortly after 11.15 since it's unclear how the phone call ended (Rob didn't hang up and I doubt Angela or the abductor hung up while she was being kidnapped).

[dynoguy88]

Originally Posted by Stratego

Lol, you don't have much of a life, do you???

He didn't do it.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by Stratego

As opposed to doing it on purpose? Again, I'm not talking about the time frame, but the suggestion that the Rob did it theory should be dismissed because he couldn't have intentionally destroyed his transmission so easily and conveniently (which I don't agree with either).

If there was a gap of hours where he is unaccounted for, I would agree.

Originally Posted by Stratego

According to the reddit map, his house was about 4 minutes away from the phone booth, and it was also about a 4 minute drive between the phone booth and West Calvird Drive (which is kind of a weird escape route for the kidnapper, to be honest). Again, I'm not interested in discussing the time frame right now, but if you look back in this thread you'll see that I think it's possible Rob left very shortly after 11.15 since it's unclear how the phone call ended (Rob didn't hang up and I doubt Angela or the abductor hung up while she was being kidnapped).

It's not possible because there were two witnesses who saw the same truck circling around the parking lot. And take this with a grain of salt, but there is a reddit post saying that the two witnesses mistook Angela for their friend, and they were turning in the lot to say hello but realized that it wasn't their friend. There has always been mention of two witnesses seeing the truck and the creepy looking man at 11:45 near the payphone. Not Rob. I wonder if these are the same witnesses.

[Stratego]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

If there was a gap of hours where he is unaccounted for, I would agree.

You're confusing, why would a smaller gap make it less likely he destroyed his transmission accidentally on the way back from dumping her body and more likely he destroyed it intentionally to mislead the police? Because that's the point I'm discussing. You can't dismiss the Rob did it theory based on the assumption he must've done it intentionally.

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

It's not possible because there were two witnesses who saw the same truck circling around the parking lot.

Again, you're talking about the time frame, which I don't feel like discussing with you again. If you look back a few pages, you'll see why I take their story with a grain of salt. Witness statements don't equal facts. Wasn't there a police officer who claimed to have seen a woman fitting Jeffrey MacDonald's desciption of one of his family's supposed murderers? I'd love to read their statements, though.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

It's not possible because there were two witnesses who saw the same truck circling around the parking lot.

And this proves my point on why the people who argue for Rob have a lapse in their judgement and are constantly running in circles with no clear logic. You're using potential lies as evidence for your argument.

Who's to say that these two witnesses aren't friends or family of Rob's who's corroborating his lies to get him proven innocent?

You're using witnesses who may be biased, which is leading your logic in circles as it may be false.

[Stratego]

Originally Posted by dynoguy88

He didn't do it.

Clearly you don't. Have a nice day.

[bell83]

I'm sure if we keep going over the exact same arguments over and over again, everyone will succeed in changing everyone else's minds. I can't wait until I come by, tomorrow, and see everyone's minds changed! It'll be so exciting!

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by Stratego

You're confusing, why would a smaller gap make it less likely he destroyed his transmission accidentally on the way back from dumping her body and more likely he destroyed it intentionally to mislead the police? Because that's the point I'm discussing. You can't dismiss the Rob did it theory based on the assumption he must've done it intentionally.

Because he has a maximum of 50 minutes to kill Angie, dump her body, invent the story, and either on his way to dumping her body, or going back towards the area he dumped it, screws up his transmission by accident, and then makes it back in town to report the fake abduction he just got done making up. If he had more time to do these things, it would make his story less believable.

None of this changes if he intentionally messed up his transmission.

Originally Posted by Stratego

Witness statements don't equal facts. Wasn't there a police officer who claimed to have seen a woman fitting Jeffrey MacDonald's desciption of one of his family's supposed murderers? I'd love to read their statements, though.

An article from October of 1991 says that the two witnesses described the guy as a white male with a dark colored baseball hat and mustache in a truck near the phone booth at 11:45 p.m. that night. Seems to me like these two people would really have no motive to make this up. Especially if it was the two girls who mistook Angela for someone else. "The square" was a popular place for the teenagers to hang out in Clinton. Apparently Angie was talking to Rob on the phone at "the square" waiting for his mother to come home so he could come pick her up and they could go home together.