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TheLittleFaerie · 12-28-2021, 04:43 AM

I remember when the Ricardos and Mertzes went to a restaurant Ricky orders spaghetti and pizza..... I just thought it was odd to have both spaghetti AND pizza for the same meal... then once on the Honeymooners Alice is describing to Ralph the meal she's cooked for him, she names off several things then says, "And for dessert I made you a nice pizza!"

I was wondering if pizza was referring to a dessert item like a pie or something... I know sometimes people call pizza "pizza pie" so I wondered if pies were called pizza back then

Alan Brady's Hair · 12-28-2021, 11:27 AM

A pizza pie was the same thing as a pizza. I think that pizza really became a mainstream American food after World War II, and it took a while for the language to catch up. I think there's still places where pieces of pizza are called slices, and other places they're called cuts.

Zero · 01-03-2022, 04:26 AM

Oh you're not talking about the "chicken chow pizza?" Pity.

You mean the "I'll have some meatballs, spaghetti and uh, some pizza" right? Remember what Lucy ordered? A steak with spaghetti on the side.

Truth be told, there is a restaurant in Tennessee or, somewhere over there that has spaghetti as a side to go with your steak. Seriously. And I've even made the meal myself for my husband and I a couple of times.

In the Honeymooners Ralph and Ed go to an Italian restaurant and Ed ordered an antipasto, bowl of minestrone, spaghetti and meatballs and an anchovy pizza. But we all know Ed was a bottomless pit.

When I lived in Los Angeles I'd go to a restaurant and order the special for two; side salad, small bowl of spaghetti with meatballs and garlic bread, and a medium pizza.

Aren't pizza's called tomato pies on NY or Jersey? Or does that mean something else?

Maybe all that pizza and pasta, etc., is just the American thing known as excess? I dunno, but you got me talking about food and I'm starving at 1 am.

JamesG · 01-03-2022, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero

Aren't pizza's called tomato pies on NY or Jersey? Or does that mean something else?

It is called square pizza here in NYC. It’s a type of pizza that’s made differently from the traditional pizzas from the pizza oven. It’s also not smothered in cheese.

Some Italian bakeries around here, that don’t serve pizza, make this version instead.

TheLittleFaerie · 01-07-2022, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Zero

Oh you're not talking about the "chicken chow pizza?" Pity.

You mean the "I'll have some meatballs, spaghetti and uh, some pizza" right? Remember what Lucy ordered? A steak with spaghetti on the side.

Truth be told, there is a restaurant in Tennessee or, somewhere over there that has spaghetti as a side to go with your steak. Seriously. And I've even made the meal myself for my husband and I a couple of times.

In the Honeymooners Ralph and Ed go to an Italian restaurant and Ed ordered an antipasto, bowl of minestrone, spaghetti and meatballs and an anchovy pizza. But we all know Ed was a bottomless pit.

When I lived in Los Angeles I'd go to a restaurant and order the special for two; side salad, small bowl of spaghetti with meatballs and garlic bread, and a medium pizza.

Aren't pizza's called tomato pies on NY or Jersey? Or does that mean something else?

Maybe all that pizza and pasta, etc., is just the American thing known as excess? I dunno, but you got me talking about food and I'm starving at 1 am.

I'm in Tennessee and in my town there is a restaurant where you can order spaghetti for a side, I've done that quite a bit. I wonder if it's the same restaurant lol I assumed it might be that everywhere

Zero · 01-18-2022, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheLittleFaerie

I'm in Tennessee and in my town there is a restaurant where you can order spaghetti for a side, I've done that quite a bit. I wonder if it's the same restaurant lol I assumed it might be that everywhere

The name just came to me. Is it "Demos" or something like that? Supposed to have some famous chicken and rice soup. Is this the place?

TheLittleFaerie · 01-31-2022, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Zero

The name just came to me. Is it "Demos" or something like that? Supposed to have some famous chicken and rice soup. Is this the place?

YES!!! I've been there! I'm a few towns over. There's also one here in my town that does that, it's a Greek/Italian restaurant called Gondola

12-28-2021, 04:43 AM	#1
TheLittleFaerie Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 15, 2017 Posts: 1,948	Did pizza have a different meaning in those days? I remember when the Ricardos and Mertzes went to a restaurant Ricky orders spaghetti and pizza..... I just thought it was odd to have both spaghetti AND pizza for the same meal... then once on the Honeymooners Alice is describing to Ralph the meal she's cooked for him, she names off several things then says, "And for dessert I made you a nice pizza!" I was wondering if pizza was referring to a dessert item like a pie or something... I know sometimes people call pizza "pizza pie" so I wondered if pies were called pizza back then

01-03-2022, 04:26 AM	#3
Zero Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 15, 2003 Posts: 495	Oh you're not talking about the "chicken chow pizza?" Pity. You mean the "I'll have some meatballs, spaghetti and uh, some pizza" right? Remember what Lucy ordered? A steak with spaghetti on the side. Truth be told, there is a restaurant in Tennessee or, somewhere over there that has spaghetti as a side to go with your steak. Seriously. And I've even made the meal myself for my husband and I a couple of times. In the Honeymooners Ralph and Ed go to an Italian restaurant and Ed ordered an antipasto, bowl of minestrone, spaghetti and meatballs and an anchovy pizza. But we all know Ed was a bottomless pit. When I lived in Los Angeles I'd go to a restaurant and order the special for two; side salad, small bowl of spaghetti with meatballs and garlic bread, and a medium pizza. Aren't pizza's called tomato pies on NY or Jersey? Or does that mean something else? Maybe all that pizza and pasta, etc., is just the American thing known as excess? I dunno, but you got me talking about food and I'm starving at 1 am.
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12-28-2021, 11:27 AM	#2
Alan Brady's Hair Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 30, 2014 Posts: 1,830	A pizza pie was the same thing as a pizza. I think that pizza really became a mainstream American food after World War II, and it took a while for the language to catch up. I think there's still places where pieces of pizza are called slices, and other places they're called cuts.