The Wackers

[Stratego]

Okay, I guess I have a different theory than most. I think the wife made up the attacks and the husband was most likely aware of it.

[5thBeatle]

I don’t know what to think anymore, this case is just so puzzling lol.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by Stratego

Okay, I guess I have a different theory than most. I think the wife made up the attacks and the husband was most likely aware of it.

So who do you think attacked Dorothy? She had medical documents showing that she received surgery for a lacerated skull.

I thought Bill was attacking her, and she knew but kept quiet to protect her husband

[Stratego]

Originally Posted by freakbook

So who do you think attacked Dorothy? She had medical documents showing that she received surgery for a lacerated skull.

I thought Bill was attacking her, and she knew but kept quiet to protect her husband

It's not possible she did it to herself? Or that it was an accident and she decided to blame it on an intruder?

I can see how some wives would stay quiet to protect their husband, but I'm wondering if she would've said anything about the harrassment at all in that case

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by Stratego

It's not possible she did it to herself? Or that it was an accident and she decided to blame it on an intruder?

I can see how some wives would stay quiet to protect their husband, but I'm wondering if she would've said anything about the harrassment at all in that case

Well in the first attack she was completely tied up so I doubt she could've done that herself. Another incident she was attacked from behind while she was outside.

Bill was a war veteran who served in WW II. I think it's possible that he had PTSD from the war and other possible mental disorders. I wouldn't be surprised if his PTSD triggered flashbacks and he attacked Dorothy because of it.

Read this article about military wives who suffer violence due to their husbands PTSD it's interesting

https://www.womensmediacenter.com/ne...es-of-veterans

Originally Posted by Stratego

I can see how some wives would stay quiet to protect their husband, but I'm wondering if she would've said anything about the harrassment at all in that case

As crazy as it sounds, it's possible that she didn't want her husband in trouble or to be taken away (nursing home) so she made up an intruder. With the neighbors calling the police it's possible Dorothy lied about the "intruder" aspect to keep suspicion off of Bill. It's like Dorothy was trying to convince Bill and everyone else that some random intruder was attacking her, but it was actually Bill.

If you look at the segment Bill looks convinced someone else is doing this and calls them "kooks" while she's smiling and trying not to laugh. It's like she knows whats going on but he doesn't. Perhaps she knew why Bill was doing it (PTSD) but didn't want anyone else to know because she didn't want him in a nursing home

[Stratego]

Cindy James was able to tie up herself. I don't know the details of the attacks on Dorothy, so I don't know if she could've done it herself as well.

I get her accusing an intruder in the attacks, but if she wanted to protect her husband it would've been better not to report all those calls and notes and other harrassment.

Or maybe she's laughing because she thinks her husband has no clue she's responsible?

It's an interesting theory, though. I'm not completely sure what happened, but I'm pretty much convinced no one else was involved besides the two of them.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by Stratego

Cindy James was able to tie up herself. I don't know the details of the attacks on Dorothy, so I don't know if she could've done it herself as well.

I get her accusing an intruder in the attacks, but if she wanted to protect her husband it would've been better not to report all those calls and notes and other harrassment.

Or maybe she's laughing because she thinks her husband has no clue she's responsible?

It's an interesting theory, though. I'm not completely sure what happened, but I'm pretty much convinced no one else was involved besides the two of them.

It looked like Dorothy's entire body was tied in rope, but I'm not sure, but given the severity of her other attacks, I doubt she attacked herself hard enough to give herself skull lacerations.

Originally Posted by Stratego

I get her accusing an intruder in the attacks, but if she wanted to protect her husband it would've been better not to report all those calls and notes and other harrassment

That depends. Their items went missing and then magically reappeared. If Bill had some other mental issue where he was doing this, but didn't remember then it's possible that Dorothy convinced Bill that an intruder had something to do with it so no one would suspect that Bill had mental issues.

I mean who else would steal a bunch of items just to bring them back? Who else would constantly break up into an elderly couple's home just to destroy it and leave dumb messages?

I think Dorothy was manipulating Bill and everyone else that someone else was ransacking their home and attacking her, but she knew it was Bill all along.

[88keys]

Originally Posted by freakbook

Well in the first attack she was completely tied up so I doubt she could've done that herself. Another incident she was attacked from behind while she was outside.

Bill was a war veteran who served in WW II. I think it's possible that he had PTSD from the war and other possible mental disorders. I wouldn't be surprised if his PTSD triggered flashbacks and he attacked Dorothy because of it.

I think it's possible that the first attack, where someone came to the door to use the phone and then attacked her, was legit. Subsequent attacks/harassment could have been Bill or Dorothy and Bill together.

[Stratego]

So you think Bill attacked Dorothy and she did all the other stuff like the threatening notes and moving stuff around? It's possible. Although Dorothy did more than was necessary to throw people off, as if she became addicted to the attention she got.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by 88keys

I think it's possible that the first attack, where someone came to the door to use the phone and then attacked her, was legit. Subsequent attacks/harassment could have been Bill or Dorothy and Bill together.

I think Bill did the first attack. I understand she was elderly and probably trusting to a fault, but who leaves a complete stranger to use their phone while they go into a kitchen? She then said she didn't hear anything he said on the phone, but if she was a close enough distance then she should've picked up some tidbit on what he was talking about.

You also thought he left but you don't hear a door shut or don't even walk him to the front door to make sure he gets out?

I also don't understand why a complete stranger who she left to use the phone would attack her and tie her up, scribble on the wall, steal items and bring them back the next day. It seems like the stranger took alot of time to do all of this, negating the fact that someone else might come home soon

Originally Posted by Stratego

So you think Bill attacked Dorothy and she did all the other stuff like the threatening notes and moving stuff around? It's possible. Although Dorothy did more than was necessary to throw people off, as if she became addicted to the attention she got.

I don't know if she moved the items or made the notes, but I think it's a possibility Bill did that as well. The police reported that the house was thrashed on several different occasions, so I wonder if Bill did that when he attacked Dorothy.

Bill could've had violent blacked-out PTSD attacks that made him irrational and violent, and he had no recollection of what happened when he came back to. Kind of like a bi-polar attack.

If you think about it the rock with the note on it that was on the porch during the stakeout makes sense if it came from inside the house. Multiple people were in multiple vehicles watching out, so I doubt an intruder slipped through. But what if someone from the inside came on the porch to see how everything was going and then left the rock with the note on it while they were on the porch?

That person being Dorothy

[Hortense Hathaway]

I truly feel the whole thing was staged - particularly by the wife, who seemed to crave attention.
JMHO

[cordwainer1453]

did a bunch of posts get removed?

[5thBeatle]

I don’t think so, the thread kept taking me back to June 2020

[Sundance]

Originally Posted by Hortense Hathaway

I truly feel the whole thing was staged - particularly by the wife, who seemed to crave attention.
JMHO

Nailed it!

[XCalibur]

Originally Posted by Hortense Hathaway

I truly feel the whole thing was staged - particularly by the wife, who seemed to crave attention.
JMHO

There is no way you can deduce something like that from a 15 minute segment. Absolutely no way. And even what she displayed in the segment did not indicate to me someone who craved attention. They seemed to me like ordinary, old school, practical people.