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atomicfizz · 11-11-2015, 01:22 AM

I'm hoping to stay awake for the 12am rerun of the premier.

I hadn't seen the Bobby Greenlease one before but it was rerun earlier today. Unfortunately I had to leave for work before the ending. I'll have to read about the case because I'd never heard of it before.

wiseguy182 · 11-22-2015, 06:54 AM

The most recent episode was about a 1973 case. Now they're going in the opposite direction with by far the oldest case.

"The murders of a pin-up model and two others on Easter Sunday in 1937 New York City are recalled." This airs on Dec 1 and is called "Such A Pretty Face"

Bonniegirl · 11-22-2015, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wiseguy182

The most recent episode was about a 1973 case. Now they're going in the opposite direction with by far the oldest case.

"The murders of a pin-up model and two others on Easter Sunday in 1937 New York City are recalled." This airs on Dec 1 and is called "Such A Pretty Face"

Yeah!! I watched the 73 one!! Roseane Quinn, the basis of the Mr. Goodbar book and movie!!! That was HORRIBLE what happened to her!!!

I thought the next one up was from 1966 I think? The nurses being murdered? That's what they are advertising here!

atomicfizz · 11-22-2015, 08:48 PM

Haven't seen the R. Quinn one yet but I can't wait to see the 70s! I'm excited about the pin up one too, that's my bag, man!! But yeah, they've been advertising the one about the nurses (is this about Richard Speck?) this week.

Bonniegirl · 11-23-2015, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by atomicfizz

Haven't seen the R. Quinn one yet but I can't wait to see the 70s! I'm excited about the pin up one too, that's my bag, man!! But yeah, they've been advertising the one about the nurses (is this about Richard Speck?) this week.

Yes, it's about Richard Speck. I don't know all that much about this case. It doesn't seem like they feature him and these murders that much on True crime shows!

wiseguy182 · 11-23-2015, 12:27 AM

Right. As I mentioned, the 1937 one about the pin-up model airs on December 1. The Richard Speck one is the next one. It has been featured on American Justice, but it's not an episode that has aired recently. (I have it in my collection, I think it was an ep from way back in the early 90's when the show was just a half-hour).

wiseguy182 · 11-26-2015, 03:31 AM

Got info on another episode: Tuesday, December 8 will be "Comedy Of Terrors", profiling the 1960 strangulation death of Macon, Georgia resident Mary Burge, in which her husband Chester was suspected. Wasn't familiar at all with this case, so I did a little research, and this sounds line one extremely BIZARRE case.

Awsi Dooger · 12-16-2015, 02:22 AM

Very good coverage of the Sam Sheppard case this week, including the late '90s update that all but identified the true perpetrator.

That's an early example that you never want to be the lazy target in a case with a very unusual set of circumstances, ones that sound far fetched, like the Jeffrey MacDonald case and Kay Mortensen relatives. The simpleton vindictive types will go full throttle to convict you merely because it's not a logical Point A to Point B crime.

Actually I shouldn't say the Sheppard case is an early example. It's merely early by modern media standards. Innocent people have been wrongly targeted and convicted for centuries and millenniums by the simpletons of the time frame.

Awsi Dooger · 01-06-2016, 06:25 PM

Interesting but sad season finale last week, the Betty Williams case from Odessa, Texas in 1961. Promiscuous teenager who gained a bad reputation and lost a popular boyfriend. She asked friends to kill her but since she was a drama enthusiast who acted in school plays they didn't take her seriously.

Unfortunately the ex boyfriend was offered the same role and he eventually took her seriously enough to actually do it, blowing a hole in Betty's head with a shotgun and concealing her in a body of water 26 miles outside of town. Didn't take long for classmates to provide enough clues and the boyfiend confessed and led authorities to the body. He likened the experience to feeling sorry for a dead cat on the side of the road.

That boyfriend was cleared in two separate hearings as temporarily insane, first by a judge and later by jury. Young girls supported him and attended every court session. Betty was dismissed as not significant enough to care about, or to ruin the boyfriend's life by locking him up.

I appreciated the case because I wasn't familiar with it, even though I've spent some time in Odessa. My college buddy from USC worked as sports anchor at a local TV station and I visited him for a few days in the '80s. I've been wondering if the local hangout he took me too was the same one referenced in this case as the popular drive-in of decades earlier. It was certainly a gathering spot for youth and looked like it could have been a former drive-in during that era.

Betty Williams was a talented writer. That's what struck me while investigating this case a bit further online. Her diary entries and personal letters displayed excellent vocabulary and sentence structure and caliber of thought. So sad. I found blog comments from friends who knew Betty and the boyfriend Mack. The consensus was that Betty was the sharper of the two and might have done big things with her life if not for how that episode played out. I tend to agree, after sampling those writings.

Awsi Dooger · 01-04-2017, 05:37 PM

This program has a tendency to use the same actors and actresses again and again. But they should at least space it out a little bit, especially in such a short season of maybe 6 or 8 episodes.

The past two weeks it was absurd when the same actress appeared in a major role. She played the supposed assault victim in the Honolulu case from 1931 last week and this week she was one of the rape victims from the New York City case from 1941. They even had her view a lineup of suspects in both cases. It was difficult not to laugh. I was traveling during the holidays so I taped Crime to Remember last week. So I watched the two episodes back to back and it was like deja vu when the same actress was doing the same thing. I could predict her body language the second time.

It's a classy program but I was disappointed in one episode this season. Crime to Remember portrayed Sharon Kinne as far more likable and clever than any other version I've seen or read. The show made the detective in that case out to be weak and overmatched by Kinne, which again goes against the other versions.

wiseguy182 · 02-09-2017, 01:23 AM

I just rewatched the Alice Crimmins episode. I'm inching my way towards believing she murdered her kids, but am not quite all the way there yet.

The more I think about it, the more I think it implicates Alice that the kids regularly went out looking for food and raided the fridge. It's suggestive that she wasn't feeding them regularly, which would mean neglect. The lock on the kids bedroom door, locking them *in* is also very bizarre and is further suggestive she wasn't a good parent.

And this is where Alice's apparent lie comes under further scrutiny. She claims she last fed them veil, but a check of Melissa's stomach contents revealed peas, carrots, green beans and pasta. It doesn't reflect well on Alice's part that she couldn't successfully recall the last thing she fed them.

What really bothers me though is that Alice was out partying, boozing it up, skinny-dipping and sleeping with random men the week after her kids murder. Some like to blast Darlie Routier for the whole silly string incident, but this woman was flat out having a party while her kids were still in their freshly dug graves. That just isn't right.

Admittedly, there was no lynchpin to this case that truly implicated Alice, and police spent years monitoring her 24/7 and turned up zilch. But one would have to figure Alice either knew or suspected her apartment was bugged, which it was.

I still don't know what to make of the kids being found at different locations. That's just really bizarre.

undertakeress · 02-24-2017, 01:40 AM

I love this show. I hope they bring it back!

There was a documentary called The Witness about Kitty Genovese. It shut down the theory that 38 people didn't do anything. People did call the police, and Kitty died in her neighbors arms. It was always doubted that so many people did nothing, and this docu seems to prove it more so. I highly recommend it
http://people.com/crime/documentary-...nd-do-nothing/

Killarney Rose · 12-05-2020, 03:15 PM

One of my all time favorite ID shows. We recently binge watched the series on Hulu. So nice to have it commercial free.

CrecyWarKnight · 12-05-2020, 08:36 PM

Interested in True crime - check out my FB group " The Abby & Libby Sleuth Group". Thanks.

benoitbabe · 07-31-2021, 04:35 PM

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this is a fairly recent show (came out last year) and one of the more tastefully done programs on ID. It focuses on crimes from the 50's and 60's, and actually does a pretty good job of tailoring props and wardrobes to suit the era (rotary phones, etc). It's a very, very ssssssllllllllooooooowwwww moving program (not a complaint), and while the announcer's accent seems a wee bit fake to me, it's a nonetheless fascinating program. The first ep I saw was on the abduction of Judge Chillingworth and his wife from Palm Beach. Perhaps the saddest aspects of this case was that the Judge was set to turn in his resignation letter to the governor, and the perps didn't plan on the wife being there, thus making their murders all the more unnecessary

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...th_curtis.html

I love this show. I wish it was still on. There are plenty of historic cases to do.

11-11-2015, 01:22 AM	#31
atomicfizz Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 07, 2008 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 310	I'm hoping to stay awake for the 12am rerun of the premier. I hadn't seen the Bobby Greenlease one before but it was rerun earlier today. Unfortunately I had to leave for work before the ending. I'll have to read about the case because I'd never heard of it before.

11-22-2015, 06:54 AM	#32
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	The most recent episode was about a 1973 case. Now they're going in the opposite direction with by far the oldest case. "The murders of a pin-up model and two others on Easter Sunday in 1937 New York City are recalled." This airs on Dec 1 and is called "Such A Pretty Face"

11-22-2015, 08:48 PM	#34
atomicfizz Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 07, 2008 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 310	Haven't seen the R. Quinn one yet but I can't wait to see the 70s! I'm excited about the pin up one too, that's my bag, man!! But yeah, they've been advertising the one about the nurses (is this about Richard Speck?) this week.

11-23-2015, 12:27 AM	#36
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	Right. As I mentioned, the 1937 one about the pin-up model airs on December 1. The Richard Speck one is the next one. It has been featured on American Justice, but it's not an episode that has aired recently. (I have it in my collection, I think it was an ep from way back in the early 90's when the show was just a half-hour).

11-26-2015, 03:31 AM	#37
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	Got info on another episode: Tuesday, December 8 will be "Comedy Of Terrors", profiling the 1960 strangulation death of Macon, Georgia resident Mary Burge, in which her husband Chester was suspected. Wasn't familiar at all with this case, so I did a little research, and this sounds line one extremely BIZARRE case.

12-16-2015, 02:22 AM	#38
Awsi Dooger Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 18, 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 1,537	Very good coverage of the Sam Sheppard case this week, including the late '90s update that all but identified the true perpetrator. That's an early example that you never want to be the lazy target in a case with a very unusual set of circumstances, ones that sound far fetched, like the Jeffrey MacDonald case and Kay Mortensen relatives. The simpleton vindictive types will go full throttle to convict you merely because it's not a logical Point A to Point B crime. Actually I shouldn't say the Sheppard case is an early example. It's merely early by modern media standards. Innocent people have been wrongly targeted and convicted for centuries and millenniums by the simpletons of the time frame.

01-06-2016, 06:25 PM	#39
Awsi Dooger Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 18, 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 1,537	Interesting but sad season finale last week, the Betty Williams case from Odessa, Texas in 1961. Promiscuous teenager who gained a bad reputation and lost a popular boyfriend. She asked friends to kill her but since she was a drama enthusiast who acted in school plays they didn't take her seriously. Unfortunately the ex boyfriend was offered the same role and he eventually took her seriously enough to actually do it, blowing a hole in Betty's head with a shotgun and concealing her in a body of water 26 miles outside of town. Didn't take long for classmates to provide enough clues and the boyfiend confessed and led authorities to the body. He likened the experience to feeling sorry for a dead cat on the side of the road. That boyfriend was cleared in two separate hearings as temporarily insane, first by a judge and later by jury. Young girls supported him and attended every court session. Betty was dismissed as not significant enough to care about, or to ruin the boyfriend's life by locking him up. I appreciated the case because I wasn't familiar with it, even though I've spent some time in Odessa. My college buddy from USC worked as sports anchor at a local TV station and I visited him for a few days in the '80s. I've been wondering if the local hangout he took me too was the same one referenced in this case as the popular drive-in of decades earlier. It was certainly a gathering spot for youth and looked like it could have been a former drive-in during that era. Betty Williams was a talented writer. That's what struck me while investigating this case a bit further online. Her diary entries and personal letters displayed excellent vocabulary and sentence structure and caliber of thought. So sad. I found blog comments from friends who knew Betty and the boyfriend Mack. The consensus was that Betty was the sharper of the two and might have done big things with her life if not for how that episode played out. I tend to agree, after sampling those writings.

01-04-2017, 05:37 PM	#40
Awsi Dooger Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 18, 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 1,537	This program has a tendency to use the same actors and actresses again and again. But they should at least space it out a little bit, especially in such a short season of maybe 6 or 8 episodes. The past two weeks it was absurd when the same actress appeared in a major role. She played the supposed assault victim in the Honolulu case from 1931 last week and this week she was one of the rape victims from the New York City case from 1941. They even had her view a lineup of suspects in both cases. It was difficult not to laugh. I was traveling during the holidays so I taped Crime to Remember last week. So I watched the two episodes back to back and it was like deja vu when the same actress was doing the same thing. I could predict her body language the second time. It's a classy program but I was disappointed in one episode this season. Crime to Remember portrayed Sharon Kinne as far more likable and clever than any other version I've seen or read. The show made the detective in that case out to be weak and overmatched by Kinne, which again goes against the other versions.

02-09-2017, 01:23 AM	#41
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	I just rewatched the Alice Crimmins episode. I'm inching my way towards believing she murdered her kids, but am not quite all the way there yet. The more I think about it, the more I think it implicates Alice that the kids regularly went out looking for food and raided the fridge. It's suggestive that she wasn't feeding them regularly, which would mean neglect. The lock on the kids bedroom door, locking them in is also very bizarre and is further suggestive she wasn't a good parent. And this is where Alice's apparent lie comes under further scrutiny. She claims she last fed them veil, but a check of Melissa's stomach contents revealed peas, carrots, green beans and pasta. It doesn't reflect well on Alice's part that she couldn't successfully recall the last thing she fed them. What really bothers me though is that Alice was out partying, boozing it up, skinny-dipping and sleeping with random men the week after her kids murder. Some like to blast Darlie Routier for the whole silly string incident, but this woman was flat out having a party while her kids were still in their freshly dug graves. That just isn't right. Admittedly, there was no lynchpin to this case that truly implicated Alice, and police spent years monitoring her 24/7 and turned up zilch. But one would have to figure Alice either knew or suspected her apartment was bugged, which it was. I still don't know what to make of the kids being found at different locations. That's just really bizarre.

02-24-2017, 01:40 AM	#42
undertakeress Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 27, 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 130	I love this show. I hope they bring it back! There was a documentary called The Witness about Kitty Genovese. It shut down the theory that 38 people didn't do anything. People did call the police, and Kitty died in her neighbors arms. It was always doubted that so many people did nothing, and this docu seems to prove it more so. I highly recommend it http://people.com/crime/documentary-...nd-do-nothing/

12-05-2020, 03:15 PM	#43
Killarney Rose Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 24, 2010 Location: AL Posts: 656	One of my all time favorite ID shows. We recently binge watched the series on Hulu. So nice to have it commercial free.

12-05-2020, 08:36 PM	#44
CrecyWarKnight Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jul 31, 2016 Location: Calif Posts: 68	Interested in True crime - check out my FB group " The Abby & Libby Sleuth Group". Thanks.