Angela Hammond - Girl abducted from phone booth

[Stratego]

Originally Posted by jOHnNyD

I will say this, if Rob is not being forthcoming, he is a genius. That’s one heck of a coverup story that was executed flawlessly with the right pieces falling into place at the right time.

I think that's because it would be a cover story partly based on true events (there really was a phone call, he really did drop the phone and race to Angela, he really did blow his transmission racing through town) and because there just wasn't that much evidence found (nothing contradicts an abduction by some stranger). The part that actually could've worked against him is the account of how he came across the truck and started following it. I do think that either way, Rob was very lucky and very unlucky at the same time. Maybe that's why it's such a peculiar unsolved mystery.

Originally Posted by jOHnNyD

IHis demeanor during the interview is not consistent with some of the major tells of liar. Some proven, or strongly suspected, murders who do TV interviews will break a smile in the middle of a story, almost in delight, representing the brain’s contentment with getting away with the lie. Don’t see that once in Rob’s interview. He looks genuinely upset. You would think that would happen at least once while telling a coverup story like that. Not a body language expert, but just one observation I think is relevant.

I think that would only be the case if he's some sort of psycho- or sociopath. It's possible he killed her in a fit of rage and afterwards truly regretted killing her. Maybe he's plagued by guilt, but he doesn't want to go to jail either.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by freakbook

because i'm allowed to have my own opinion. why should I change my opinion because you think I should? That's why I get rude. That's why I call ya'll a creepy fanclub. The problem with your thinking is entitlement. The points you prove for Rob's innocence someone can prove against it.

You can have whatever opinion you want. The problem is that the points that support Rob's version of events, can't really be proven wrong.

Originally Posted by freakbook

People are going to be rude if you have 5 people running in here throwing stones and getting upset because they have a different opinion. Now go back and copy and paste all of the rude comments that were said to me and other posters over the years who questioned Rob.

No one threw stones until you became rude to people for no reason.

Originally Posted by freakbook

You say I'm rude but conveniently gloss over your rude fanclub. Let's just call a spade a spade, and agree to disagree

We've done this same song and dance before back in 2017.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by Stratego

It's possible he killed her in a fit of rage and afterwards truly regretted killing her. Maybe he's plagued by guilt, but he doesn't want to go to jail either.

I mean, it's also possible that Angela ran off to start a new life in Canada. And guess what? There is more evidence to support that than there is Rob "killing her in a fit of rage". It wasn't mentioned on UM, but a man in Canada came forward and said he saw a woman who looked identical to Angela leaving a drug store and getting into an older green F-150 pickup truck (with a mural on the window) in Manitoba.

Now I don't believe she ran off to start a new life, but you can look at any unsolved case and assert that anything is possible.

So let's say that Angela and Rob got into a fight, and she hangs up on him at 11:37 p.m. and he flies off the handle and drives up to the pay phone and they continue arguing. No one sees this of course, but Rob does get lucky enough to have two eyewitnesses notice an older green pickup truck circling the lot prior to him arriving. At some point during the argument, Rob kills Angela. He puts her body in his truck, drives around trying to find a place to dump it, spots the pickup truck, invents the abduction and chase story, and then finally ditches her body in a location so remote that it has yet to be found. Then on his way back into town, he realizes he needs to make his abduction story more believable, so he turns around (as if to show he was chasing the truck away from town) and intentionally damages his transmission. Then he starts the roughly 2 mile walk back into town before being picked up by a motorist. He reports what happened to the police at midnight.

Keep in mind that all of this would had have to have happened within a 23 minute span.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

You can have whatever opinion you want. The problem is that the points that support Rob's version of events, can't really be proven wrong.

And the points against Rob can't be proven wrong either. The only thing you're going to repeat is the phone call and transmission both of which are not concrete.

So again my opinion is that Rob did it. My opinion tomorrow is going to be that Rob did it. If this case isn't solved in 5 years my opinion is going to be that Rob did it.

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

No one threw stones until you became rude to people for no reason.

Yeah, no. When I first stated my theory multiple posters ran in here and was basically telling me that Rob was innocent, and some even got nasty about it. Hell, go back earlier in the thread and see that some posters we're ran off because they questioned Rob's innocence. This site has a hivemind when it comes to this case.

So if you have multiple people ganging up on one person then yeah, that person is going to be rude. If you think im going to be nice when multiple people are ganging up on me then you're delusional.

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

We've done this same song and dance before back in 2017.

Giddy up because we're going to keep doing it. I hope you're ready for another 4 years. I don't give up easily.

[Stratego]

More evidence that she ran off? How so? Was there money missing from her account? Or clothes missing from her closet? If Angela ran off, then how about Rob's story about chasing the truck? She would've had no idea he would be on the road at that exact moment.

Based on Rob's account, she's most likely dead. Either because he's telling the truth and an abductor took her. Or because he's lying because he's responsible for her death. That said, I see no problem with anyone discussing the possibility she ran off. I wonder if there's anything else besides the eye witness.

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

So let's say that Angela and Rob got into a fight, and she hangs up on him at 11:37 p.m

See, I don't necessarily agree with that. If we go by Rob's account that he dropped the phone without hanging up and Angela was still on the other line, he could've left his house soon after she called him at either 11:15 or 11:23. And I still don't know how the call was ended. Did someone hang up or did the card run out of money?

I also don't agree he must've destroyed his transmission on purpose. Perhaps it happened accidentally after dumping Angela's body. Realizing they would know he was out when Angela disappeared, he had to come up with an explanation.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by Stratego

If Angela ran off, then how about Rob's story about chasing the truck?

You're a damn fine addition to this board, Stratego.

[LooksLikeCRicci]

Why would Angela have to use a phone or a credit card to use the phone? This was the 1980's... change was how most pay phones operated at that time.

....and are we completely dismissing the new information released a month ago about Angela possibly being killed by mistake in a drug retaliation hit?

[JannTosh]

I totally get being suspicious of Rob since on the surface his story is really unbelievable and sounds like something out of a movie, but Rob was no doubt heavily investigated. You don't think the cops wouldn't have heavily grilled the guy about his story? And would he really not be able to crack if he was lying? I am mostly certain that Rob has nothing to do with it and Angela was abducted by a predator who likely raped and murdered her

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by LooksLikeCRicci

Why would Angela have to use a phone or a credit card to use the phone? This was the 1980's... change was how most pay phones operated at that time.

....and are we completely dismissing the new information released a month ago about Angela possibly being killed by mistake in a drug retaliation hit?

You could use a calling card.. But it was something of a mess.

You'd dial a (normally) 800 number. Enter the phone number you wanted to call, then enter your calling card number (10 digits plus a 4 digit PIN)

So to do it without a card in your hand.. That's about 35 numbers to remember. Not impossible, but.. Hell, most of us now can't even remember our own 7 digit phone numbers without looking it up.


And I'll make the call for a bit of civility here. We all have our opinions and they're all just as valid (No matter how dumb) as anyone elses. Remember, these are unsolved cases. We don't know the answers, no matter what we think. It's all our opinions.

Myself.. I've always looked at Rob with suspicion. I don't entirely know why, I can't fully explain it. I know he's been cleared. But.. Everything went perfectly right (Well, perfectly wrong) for this to happen the way it did. It just sits wrong with me. No logical argument.. Just gut feeling.

and I've never understood why this truck hasn't been found. Pretty distinctive.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by Stratego

More evidence that she ran off? How so?

A witness reported seeing a woman who looked identical to Angela getting out of a green pickup truck with a white top and mural. Which is more evidence that she was still alive than there is than rampant speculation of Rob's involvement.

Originally Posted by Stratego

Was there money missing from her account? Or clothes missing from her closet? If Angela ran off, then how about Rob's story about chasing the truck? She would've had no idea he would be on the road at that exact moment.

It's possible that she was having Stockholm Syndrome and began to have feelings towards her abductor who was helping raise her child in the Canadian wilderness. So Rob's story of chasing the truck could still be accurate.

Originally Posted by Stratego

Based on Rob's account, she's most likely dead. Either because he's telling the truth and an abductor took her. Or because he's lying because he's responsible for her death. That said, I see no problem with anyone discussing the possibility she ran off. I wonder if there's anything else besides the eye witness.

Not really. It's possible that she had plastic surgery after the increased public awareness received after the UM broadcast.

Originally Posted by Stratego

See, I don't necessarily agree with that. If we go by Rob's account that he dropped the phone without hanging up and Angela was still on the other line, he could've left his house soon after she called him at either 11:15 or 11:23. And I still don't know how the call was ended. Did someone hang up or did the card run out of money?

It's possible that when Rob left the house in anger, Angela continued to hold the phone to her ear and pretended to talk to him.

Originally Posted by Stratego

I also don't agree he must've destroyed his transmission on purpose. Perhaps it happened accidentally after dumping Angela's body. Realizing they would know he was out when Angela disappeared, he had to come up with an explanation.

Or maybe he killed her much earlier. It's possible that on his way to grab a late night snack, his transmission failed, so he concocted the elaborate story of the late night chase and abduction out of being hangry.

[Stratego]

Originally Posted by LooksLikeCRicci

Why would Angela have to use a phone or a credit card to use the phone? This was the 1980's... change was how most pay phones operated at that time.

It was 1991, but I honestly have no clue. That's why I asked how we know the time and how the call was ended. The reddit post that says she called at 11.23 also mentions she used a credit card. Others say she called at 11.15 and that it was based on phone records. However, I don't think it matters much if you want to argue Rob went to the parking lot before 11.37.

Originally Posted by LooksLikeCRicci

....and are we completely dismissing the new information released a month ago about Angela possibly being killed by mistake in a drug retaliation hit?

If a stranger killed her, I don't think it was a case of mistaken identity. I think it's far more likely a predator wanting to rape her was responsible.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by freakbook

And the points against Rob can't be proven wrong either.

There are no "points against Rob". You either believe his story, which is backed up by physical evidence and witnesses, or you don't. It's pretty simple.

Originally Posted by freakbook

The only thing you're going to repeat is the phone call and transmission both of which are not concrete.

Witnesses, too. Rob sure was lucky that two other people saw this same truck circling the parking lot where Angela's car was found abandoned (who then went on to tell the police the same thing...which is odd, since he would have still been at home and would have had no knowledge of the truck circling the lot if he was the one responsible for Angela's disappearance).

Originally Posted by freakbook

So again my opinion is that Rob did it. My opinion tomorrow is going to be that Rob did it. If this case isn't solved in 5 years my opinion is going to be that Rob did it.

I'm happy for you.

Originally Posted by freakbook

Yeah, no. When I first stated my theory multiple posters ran in here and was basically telling me that Rob was innocent, and some even got nasty about it. Hell, go back earlier in the thread and see that some posters we're ran off because they questioned Rob's innocence. This site has a hivemind when it comes to this case.

Because, unlike many of the other murdered or missing spouses cases, there is nothing that has come out before, during, or since the UM broadcast that has implicated Rob other than that people think his story is too implausible to be real.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by LooksLikeCRicci

Why would Angela have to use a phone or a credit card to use the phone? This was the 1980's... change was how most pay phones operated at that time.

....and are we completely dismissing the new information released a month ago about Angela possibly being killed by mistake in a drug retaliation hit?

It was a phone/calling card allegedly. I cannot find any articles which back up those timestamps either. I have seen some articles which say that the police did verify from phone records that the call between the payphone and Rob's house did happen.

[Stratego]

@TheCars1986

Your tactic to challenge the 'Rob did it' theory is to propose preposterous alternative theories instead of refuting the actual points? Are you trying to prove freakbook's allegation that the pro-Rob crow is antagonistic?

Rob is the only witness to his girlfiend's supposed abduction. Him being responsible is far more likely than any of the possibilities you just bought up.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by Labonte18

Myself.. I've always looked at Rob with suspicion. I don't entirely know why, I can't fully explain it. I know he's been cleared. But.. Everything went perfectly right (Well, perfectly wrong) for this to happen the way it did. It just sits wrong with me. No logical argument.. Just gut feeling.

If it had come out that the investigators were never able to verify that a phone call took place between Rob and Angela that night, I would be suspicious as well. But even then, the timeframe would still have been too limited, IMO.

Originally Posted by Labonte18

and I've never understood why this truck hasn't been found. Pretty distinctive.

Neither was Dexter Stefonek's killer's truck.