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vitoscotti · 03-16-2021, 01:04 AM

Above average
Ward
Fred
Eddie
Judy
Violet
Aunt Martha
Gilbert
Gus
Mr Haskell

Average
June
Wally
Uncle Billy
Chester

Below Averge
Beaver
Larry
Tooey

Way Below Average
Whitey
Lumpy
Larry's mother

Cx · 03-16-2021, 11:25 AM

A pretty good ranking there with one exception:

I'd put Fred Rutherford no higher than in the "average column". He's definitely a case of the 'Dunning Kruger Effect'.

GentlemanJim · 03-16-2021, 01:51 PM

I agree about Fred, he's often portrayed as a dolt.

I also question Aunt Martha. Surely if she was all that smart then she would realize that she's only advertising her swollen ego with all the 'Bronson bloodline' nonsense.

stevea · 03-16-2021, 09:33 PM

Here's mine. For people with no evidence from the show that they're above average, I moved them to average. I think Beaver is naive but of average intelligence.

I also think there's commentary in the show to make one think Wally is above average. And Eddie has to cheat on a history test. He's probably still average, but certainly not above.

Oh, I also added staff from Grant Avenue School.

Above average

Wally
Ward
Judy
Gus
Mrs. Rayburn
Miss Landers
Miss Canfield
Penny

Average

Fred
Beaver
Eddie
June
Uncle Billy
Chester
Richard
Aunt Martha
Mr Haskell
Violet
Gilbert

Below Average

Larry
Tooey

Way Below Average

Whitey
Lumpy
Larry's mother
Mrs. Murdock

Unknown

Angela Valentine

Tankeryanker · 03-16-2021, 10:45 PM

Sigh, I have this feeling that poor June will stay in the average category for everyone's opinion.

stevea · 03-16-2021, 11:23 PM

Well, when Beaver was trying to write the Mother's Day essay, June told him they had to fire her from a job due to getting her receipts all mixed up. I don't remember any mention of something that would indicate above-average IQ.

When it came to solving problems in the family, she almost always deferred to Ward. However one time when she DID solve a problem, she did a brilliant job (maneuvering Wally into accepting a more-suitable suit). Maybe based on that she should be above average!

Just thought of another one: everyone except her hem-hawed around about Wally's haircomb, even the school principal. She finally just told him to fix his hair, which was the most sensible thing to do.

Common sense should be part of IQ--maybe she should be above average and the OP was right (which would probably lower Beaver again). What do you think?

vitoscotti · 03-17-2021, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cx

A pretty good ranking there with one exception:

I'd put Fred Rutherford no higher than in the "average column". He's definitely a case of the 'Dunning Kruger Effect'.

Fred was a tough call for me. He's a knucklehead. But is he a blithering idiot? Holds apparently a high paying job working with Ward. Supports his family. Lives in a nice house. Travels all over the world on vacations. Is well spoken and articulate.

Babalu · 03-17-2021, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tankeryanker

Sigh, I have this feeling that poor June will stay in the average category for everyone's opinion.

Cut me some slack, Jack!

Torgo · 03-17-2021, 07:46 AM

I'm not buying Whitey being lower than Richard or Gilbert.

howilu · 03-17-2021, 09:31 AM

Of all of Beaver's friends, Whitey got the best grades of any of them.

vitoscotti · 03-18-2021, 09:40 AM

In S2 EP29 "Beaver's Hero" Beaver asks his mom what kind of student she was? June says "average"

Whitey is asked to spell whom. He spells it h-o-m-e. Sub teacher Mr Willet says there is a "W" in the word. Whitey's final attempt is h-o-m-e-w.

vitoscotti · 05-29-2021, 05:10 AM

"Beaver's IQ" S4 E9. The end of Beaver being a dope? Beaver now has a high IQ? Isn't the whole show based on him being not too bright? Mrs Rayburn says top 10 in class. Not top 10%. There's only 10 students in the class. He could be 10th out of 10.

stevea · 05-29-2021, 08:39 AM

Can Beaver have a high IQ and still be naive with no common sense, and not work up to his potential in school?

For one thing it contradicts S1 Ep 14 Part Time Genius. For another thing they shouldn't have gone back to the well and redone that episode.

03-16-2021, 01:04 AM	#1
vitoscotti Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 14, 2017 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,084	Leave It to Beaver IQs Above average Ward Fred Eddie Judy Violet Aunt Martha Gilbert Gus Mr Haskell Average June Wally Uncle Billy Chester Below Averge Beaver Larry Tooey Way Below Average Whitey Lumpy Larry's mother

03-17-2021, 07:46 AM	#9
Torgo Omaha & Fritz Forum Star Join Date: Mar 06, 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 19,038	I'm not buying Whitey being lower than Richard or Gilbert.
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03-16-2021, 11:25 AM	#2
Cx Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 01, 2020 Posts: 209	A pretty good ranking there with one exception: I'd put Fred Rutherford no higher than in the "average column". He's definitely a case of the 'Dunning Kruger Effect'.

03-16-2021, 01:51 PM	#3
GentlemanJim Concerns, Support, & Feedback Forum Veteran Join Date: Dec 26, 2019 Location: The back country Posts: 5,443	I agree about Fred, he's often portrayed as a dolt. I also question Aunt Martha. Surely if she was all that smart then she would realize that she's only advertising her swollen ego with all the 'Bronson bloodline' nonsense.

03-16-2021, 09:33 PM	#4
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,925	Here's mine. For people with no evidence from the show that they're above average, I moved them to average. I think Beaver is naive but of average intelligence. I also think there's commentary in the show to make one think Wally is above average. And Eddie has to cheat on a history test. He's probably still average, but certainly not above. Oh, I also added staff from Grant Avenue School. Above average Wally Ward Judy Gus Mrs. Rayburn Miss Landers Miss Canfield Penny Average Fred Beaver Eddie June Uncle Billy Chester Richard Aunt Martha Mr Haskell Violet Gilbert Below Average Larry Tooey Way Below Average Whitey Lumpy Larry's mother Mrs. Murdock Unknown Angela Valentine

03-16-2021, 10:45 PM	#5
Tankeryanker Do you like my monkey picture? Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 22, 2014 Posts: 3,051	Sigh, I have this feeling that poor June will stay in the average category for everyone's opinion.

03-16-2021, 11:23 PM	#6
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,925	Well, when Beaver was trying to write the Mother's Day essay, June told him they had to fire her from a job due to getting her receipts all mixed up. I don't remember any mention of something that would indicate above-average IQ. When it came to solving problems in the family, she almost always deferred to Ward. However one time when she DID solve a problem, she did a brilliant job (maneuvering Wally into accepting a more-suitable suit). Maybe based on that she should be above average! Just thought of another one: everyone except her hem-hawed around about Wally's haircomb, even the school principal. She finally just told him to fix his hair, which was the most sensible thing to do. Common sense should be part of IQ--maybe she should be above average and the OP was right (which would probably lower Beaver again). What do you think?

03-17-2021, 09:31 AM	#10
howilu Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 20, 2003 Location: St. Louis Park, MN Posts: 1,964	Of all of Beaver's friends, Whitey got the best grades of any of them.

03-18-2021, 09:40 AM	#11
vitoscotti Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 14, 2017 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,084	In S2 EP29 "Beaver's Hero" Beaver asks his mom what kind of student she was? June says "average" Whitey is asked to spell whom. He spells it h-o-m-e. Sub teacher Mr Willet says there is a "W" in the word. Whitey's final attempt is h-o-m-e-w.

05-29-2021, 05:10 AM	#12
vitoscotti Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 14, 2017 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,084	"Beaver's IQ" S4 E9. The end of Beaver being a dope? Beaver now has a high IQ? Isn't the whole show based on him being not too bright? Mrs Rayburn says top 10 in class. Not top 10%. There's only 10 students in the class. He could be 10th out of 10.

05-29-2021, 08:39 AM	#13
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,925	Can Beaver have a high IQ and still be naive with no common sense, and not work up to his potential in school? For one thing it contradicts S1 Ep 14 Part Time Genius. For another thing they shouldn't have gone back to the well and redone that episode.