Dumbing Down Society and Fluoridation World

[Caroline13]

http://www.dmww.com/upl/documents/li...e-10-10-13.pdf

If you have a little bit of interest, read and if not your choice.

[GentlemanJim]

Originally Posted by Caroline13

http://www.dmww.com/upl/documents/li...e-10-10-13.pdf

If you have a little bit of interest, read and if not your choice.

I've often wondered about instances where a company selling a successful product, suddenly reformulates their dominant brand with significantly different ingredients. Wondering what toxic exposures they are trying to bury. Lysol disinfectant spray being a notable example . Now days it's mosty alcohol that they depend upon for killing the germs. But I can remember a much more wicked Lysol coming out of the cans back 40 years ago.

And I can remember when bug spray used to kill on contact, whereas now they mostly are based upon an oil that coats the bugs and suffocates them..

As far as "dumbing down" America....can you say "Budweiser"?

[Caroline13]

Jim, it never fails here, post one topic and comments go off topic about all the time. On other groups, this is flagged as off topic and moderation gets involved. What does Lysol and Budweiser have to do with the subject matter here? Just sayin

[shotzette]

Originally Posted by GentlemanJim

I've often wondered about instances where a company selling a successful product, suddenly reformulates their dominant brand with significantly different ingredients. Wondering what toxic exposures they are trying to bury. r"?

Good question. Think of the mass produced foods of our childhoods. Many recipes have been altered either to conform with new health standards, or jump on the latest health trend. I'm actually old enough to remember when McDonald's food tasted good! Do you remember Chips Ahoy cookies? I LOVED them when I was a little kid and then all of a sudden when I was in high school, they developed a weird aftertaste. Never tried them again; which, is probably a good thing.

[Caroline13]

Your cookies were probably loaded with fluoride...

[Dude111]

I try to avoid flouride as much as I can!!!!

I brush with Water only.... I brush probably 5 or 6 times a day to keep them clean of stuff!!

[RetroGuy2000]

Originally Posted by Dude111

I try to avoid flouride as much as I can!!!!

I brush with Water only.... I brush probably 5 or 6 times a day to keep them clean of stuff!!

You brush your teeth six times a day?!

[GentlemanJim]

Originally Posted by Caroline13

What does Lysol and Budweiser have to do with the subject matter here? Just sayin

Well, it was kinda in the spirit of unknown poisons in the stuff we consume everyday, and never really think about...like the flouride you mention.

I think alcohol has more significant health consequences on our society, both physical and mental, than flouride.

So it's kinda silly, IMO to rant about flouride when there's an 800 lb gorilla in the room that many people consider to be their passion.

[shotzette]

Originally Posted by Dude111

I try to avoid flouride as much as I can!!!!

I brush with Water only.... I brush probably 5 or 6 times a day to keep them clean of stuff!!

You only brush your teeth with water??? Eww... I shudder to think what your breath is like.

Have you tried toothpastes without fluoride, like Tom's of Maine, Hello, or Kiss My Face?

[Caroline13]

Originally Posted by GentlemanJim

Well, it was kinda in the spirit of unknown poisons in the stuff we consume everyday, and never really think about...like the flouride you mention.

I think alcohol has more significant health consequences on our society, both physical and mental, than flouride.

So it's kinda silly, IMO to rant about flouride when there's an 800 lb gorilla in the room that many people consider to be their passion.

Well truth be known, fluoride is in SO MUCH, beer, sodas, juices, foods as foods are watered with fluoridated water from the city systems or if they get natural fluroide from the earth (rain, snow) that is all nature, but the stuff the Alcoa and the Mellons and that gang concocoted decades ago, $$$$ and getting rid of their waste from the aluminum and fertilizer plants....smart cookies to give it to the people as good for them. I've seen it in my own town after a history of no bagged fluoride added to our city water, then the fluoridationists kept working on the city council and the council's pockets were open wide enough and they caved to $$$$$.

[GentlemanJim]

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Well truth be known, fluoride is in SO MUCH, beer, sodas, juices, foods as foods are watered with fluoridated water from the city systems .

Here's something even MORE worthy of concern. On Google satellite, find the cities that get their municipal water supply from lakes or rivers, and explore upstream until you find other cities that dump effluent from their sewer systems into the rivers that cities downstream get their drinking water from.

It's amazingly prevalent. South Bend and Elkhart Indiana both dump their dirt into lake Michigan, and guess where Chicago gets their water? And then there is Toledo Ohio, just a short stone's throw downstream from Detroit.

I don't care that the "bugs" are (mostly) killed by treatment processes, the very idea that dead bugs that used to be in someone else's body, are in the water coming out of my tap, is disgusting.

So, if "flouride" manages to inadvertently kill off a few more bugs in the water it is added to, so be it.

At one time I had a friend who bought an old mennonite church out in the country, and converted it to his home. He had a 100 year old grave yard, on his property, dozens and dozens of old graves. Did I mention he had well water? Smelled to high heaven too.

Life is very gross.

[Bonniegirl]

According to Mark Royer on One day at a time who was a new dentist and just opening his practice and nervous he wouldn't get any patients , he said " And some do gooder had to go and invent fluoride " !!

[biffbronson]

Originally Posted by GentlemanJim

It's amazingly prevalent. South Bend and Elkhart Indiana both dump their dirt into lake Michigan, and guess where Chicago gets their water? And then there is Toledo Ohio, just a short stone's throw downstream from Detroit.

I don't know about Elkhart, but South Bend quite a few years ago embarked on a massive sewage-related project in order to separate the sources, eliminating objectionable run-off from going directly into the natural system of rivers & lakes. This was in conformance with an EPA order, I believe. So hold the phone here, South Bend continues to address the problem. They have also done a downspout disconnection program for older homes.

[Caroline13]

Communities that have Rejected Fluoride since 1990...maybe you will recognize some of the cities.

http://fluoridealert.org/content/communities/

[GentlemanJim]

Originally Posted by biffbronson

I don't know about Elkhart, but South Bend quite a few years ago embarked on a massive sewage-related project in order to separate the sources, eliminating objectionable run-off from going directly into the natural system of rivers & lakes. This was in conformance with an EPA order, I believe. So hold the phone here, South Bend continues to address the problem. They have also done a downspout disconnection program for older homes.

I'm not sure that you and I are on the same page.
I'm talking about the sewerage treatment plants that dump 10s of thousands of gallons of treated effluent into the St Joe river, everyday.

Such as the plant on Riverside drive where I-80 crosses the northbound river.

And Mishiwaka's plant at Lincolnway and Logan streets

And the elkhart plant next to the bridge where Nappanee St crosses the river

That river eventually empties into Lake Michigan, which is Chicago's water source.

But I'm not picking om South Bend alone, that is a bargain we've made as a society to permit high population density. The practice is everywhere.

Pittsburgh Pa for instance has it's sewage treatment plant on the Ohio river at a point about a half mile UPSTREAM from the city water plant.

Talk about gross. I'm sure the water is completely safe, but just the idea that the water coming out of your showerhead was probably inside someone's body the day before, gives me the creeps just thinking about it.