Tim Good

[dcguy80]

This was a disturbing segment. I can't figure out how this guy Dave Freeman was able to get complete control over his life to the point where Tim was literally his slave. Dave Freeman was sick. He kills this guy, leaves his corpse in the basement for almost a year then takes off when he ran out of his money and he only got ten years on a manslaughter charge? He should have gotten life without parole. I found out he died in 2018. If there is a hell, he is no doubt rotting in it.

[marlins3]

Originally Posted by dcguy80

This was a disturbing segment. I can't figure out how this guy Dave Freeman was able to get complete control over his life to the point where Tim was literally his slave. Dave Freeman was sick. He kills this guy, leaves his corpse in the basement for almost a year then takes off when he ran out of his money and he only got ten years on a manslaughter charge? He should have gotten life without parole. I found out he died in 2018. If there is a hell, he is no doubt rotting in it.

Dave Freeman (real name George Winston Jelks) has an obituary page. For some time, people had posted pictures of Tim Good on it and posted derogatory comments about Jelks aka Freeman himself. One person even posted as Robert Stack. The page eventually removed the comments. If anybody has a screenshot of the original with the comments, I would appreciate it if you contact me (I kept the page bookmarked, but since it has changed, I don't go to it anymore).

[freakbook]

I think that Dave saw that Tim was probably lonely, and clung to him like a father figure and he took advantage of Tim's good nature to brainwash him. Tim was probably a bit on the naive side and Dave saw that he could exploit that.

It also seemed like a bit of "reverse slavery" that Dave was trying to do. Making Tim his "slave" and using the bible/religion to justify it (I DO NOT CODONE THESE ACTIONS. THIS IS JUST AN OBSERVATION)

Disgusting case all around

[dynoguy88]

Originally Posted by freakbook

Tim was probably a bit on the naive side and Dave saw that he could exploit that.

Not only naive but extremely vulnerable at that time in his life. I think the fact that he was estranged from his family was weighing very heavy on his heart, otherwise he wouldn't have asked for spiritual guidance right away from a man who was basically a complete stranger. He was at such a low point in his life, it was the perfect time for a master manipulator like Freeman to do what he did. And he did it so fast.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by dynoguy88

Not only naive but extremely vulnerable at that time in his life. I think the fact that he was estranged from his family was weighing very heavy on his heart, otherwise he wouldn't have asked for spiritual guidance right away from a man who was basically a complete stranger. He was at such a low point in his life, it was the perfect time for a master manipulator like Freeman to do what he did. And he did it so fast.

You're right. I forgot he was estranged from his family.

[marlins3]

[QUOTE=freakbook;5867446]I think that Dave saw that Tim was probably lonely, and clung to him like a father figure and he took advantage of Tim's good nature to brainwash him. Tim was probably a bit on the naive side and Dave saw that he could exploit that.

It also seemed like a bit of "reverse slavery" that Dave was trying to do. Making Tim his "slave" and using the bible/religion to justify it (I DO NOT CODONE THESE ACTIONS. THIS IS JUST AN OBSERVATION)


Freeman twisted the teachings of the Bible for sure. In a weird sense, he was a twisted combination of Tony Alamo and Ulysses Roberson, using brainwashing techniques (Roberson) while twisting the Bible in such a way that he used no true Biblical teachings (Alamo). It certainly did seem that Tim Good was very, very naive. I wonder if he was also of somewhat diminished mental faculties. I do not recall the segment ever mentioning this but it seemed as if this may have been the case with Tim. This is a very sad case all around.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by marlins3

I wonder if he was also of somewhat diminished mental faculties. I do not recall the segment ever mentioning this but it seemed as if this may have been the case with Tim

I was thinking this as well

[dcguy80]

[QUOTE=marlins3;5867785]

Originally Posted by freakbook

I think that Dave saw that Tim was probably lonely, and clung to him like a father figure and he took advantage of Tim's good nature to brainwash him. Tim was probably a bit on the naive side and Dave saw that he could exploit that.

It also seemed like a bit of "reverse slavery" that Dave was trying to do. Making Tim his "slave" and using the bible/religion to justify it (I DO NOT CODONE THESE ACTIONS. THIS IS JUST AN OBSERVATION)


Freeman twisted the teachings of the Bible for sure. In a weird sense, he was a twisted combination of Tony Alamo and Ulysses Roberson, using brainwashing techniques (Roberson) while twisting the Bible in such a way that he used no true Biblical teachings (Alamo). It certainly did seem that Tim Good was very, very naive. I wonder if he was also of somewhat diminished mental faculties. I do not recall the segment ever mentioning this but it seemed as if this may have been the case with Tim. This is a very sad case all around.

I have also wondered if Tim Good was just not very intelligent and I say that not to disparage him in any way but for someone to be that easily manipulated makes me wonder. From what I saw in the segment, Dave Freeman was not a charismatic person and I'm sure he tried to do this to other people before meeting Tim and they just told him to pound sand.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by dcguy80

I have also wondered if Tim Good was just not very intelligent and I say that not to disparage him in any way but for someone to be that easily manipulated makes me wonder. From what I saw in the segment, Dave Freeman was not a charismatic person and I'm sure he tried to do this to other people before meeting Tim and they just told him to pound sand.

Yep, but I also think it's what dynoguy88 said as well, that Tim was estranged from his family which made him vulnerable.

There have been plenty of intelligent and successful people who have joined cults or other schemes because they were suffering emotionally at the time, and the recruiter took advantage of that vulnerability.

Manipulative people generally go after depressed, or people who are having a hard time as they are easier to manipulate and control. And Tim probably told Dave about his estrangement as he thought Dave was a friend/good listener, and in true scumbag fashion Dave took advantage of Tim in his weakest moment

[Latka Gravas]

Just saw the Tim Good/Dave Freeman segment for the first time, which originally aired in the S08 finale (1996). Wow. This is quite possibly the most twisted & sick story I've seen on this series so far (I'm watching the show chronologically).

That all being said, as with many of these UM re-enactments - much of this was unintentionally funny. I chuckled at the sequence when DF & his family were living "high on the hog" in the upstairs section of the house, while TG - who owned the damn farm/property - lived like an impoverished bum in the unfinished basement.

Glad that DF was finally caught, but I completely agree that he got off easy. Only ten years for manslaughter? WTF?! For what he did to TG, he should have gotten life in prison without parole - if not the death penalty. What a depraved scum-bag.

Originally Posted by freakbook

Manipulative people generally go after depressed, or people who are having a hard time as they are easier to manipulate and control. And Tim probably told Dave about his estrangement as he thought Dave was a friend/good listener, and in true scumbag fashion Dave took advantage of Tim in his weakest moment

Agreed.

Originally Posted by dcguy80

I have also wondered if Tim Good was just not very intelligent and I say that not to disparage him in any way but for someone to be that easily manipulated makes me wonder. From what I saw in the segment, Dave Freeman was not a charismatic person and I'm sure he tried to do this to other people before meeting Tim and they just told him to pound sand.

Agreed. TG was obviously not only very naive but may have had some mental issues. I don't see any other explanation as to why he would have been manipulated so easily by DF.

[bell83]

Just to throw an admittedly possibly "out there" idea into the mix, but it's possible that Tim's behavior was a version of what is today referred to as "findom" or "financial domination." I'm not saying there was a sexual aspect to it, but it could've been some sort of similar type of situation, where he was getting something mentally/emotionally out of basically giving up everything of his to someone else and being punished.

[DALLASTEXAN!!]

I don't understand why Freeman didn't get a harsher sentence for his crime unless there was problems with proving the case which led the state to a plea deal? Freeman was obviously a manipulative fraud that used religion for personal gain. I mean that doesn't make him different than many others who do the same thing, but what does make him different from those is that he killed Tim and stole a lot of money from him. Tim must have been out of his mind for whatever reason, but he was a victim.

[Ms Nevenka]

If I recall correctly, wasn’t Freeman’s wife also staying there? How was she okay with that situation?

[ChandlerMurielB1]

Originally Posted by Ms Nevenka

If I recall correctly, wasn’t Freeman’s wife also staying there? How was she okay with that situation?

She was also charged with Tim's murder

[VHSJunkie]

I wonder if the time he spent in the house with a dead corspe with the furnace shut out was an environmental accumulation that lead to his sporadic ALS. Sporadic ALS is exceptionally rare amongst African-Americans