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Recently, Cosgrove-Meurer productions launched an Unsolved Mysteries podcast, narrated by Steve French.
Episode 1 is a ghost/paranormal case. Episode 2 is about two missing children, Gage Daniel and Chloie Leverette. _ A Tennessee Valley mother's plea for help is being heard nationally. Eight-and-a-half years ago, Cheryl Daniel's children went missing. They lived with their grandparents in Bedford County when their house burned to the ground. It killed the grandparents, but the children's remains were never found. It's widely believed that someone took the kids and they may still be alive. The popular TV series Unsolved Mysteries launched a podcast last week and the newest episode features this tragedy. Cheryl's children, Gage Daniel and Chloie Leverette, were seven and nine years old the last time they were seen. Today, they would be 15 and 17. Local and federal agencies have all investigated this case, and some of the best in the country still can't figure out what caused the fire that night. After surveying the evidence at the home, they came to the conclusion that the kids did not die in the fire. But everyone is still left with the question where are they now? "And my brother come up to me and he grabbed me and said ‘Cheryl, the last wall just fell in and nobody made it out,’" Cheryl told us. </snip> Her children's story has caught national attention. The popular TV series Unsolved Mysteries is now available in podcast form, and they picked up the story, which became available Wednesday. "Was it arson? If it was, who set the fire? Where are the missing children?" a quote from the podcast. "That's a lot of people that listen to that, who watch that," Cheryl said. This gives Cheryl a rejuvenated sense of hope and that the mystery will be solved. You can listen to the podcast on any platform, including Apple and Spotify. Chloie and Gage's episode is called Lost in the Ashes. Link to listen: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000510435760 Article: https://www.wrcbtv.com/story/4341252...mysteries-show |
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Link to Unsolved Mysteries website with age progressed photos:
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Facebook page from mother:
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I read the entire thread on this case several years ago on Websleuths. I’m torn between the children were taken vs they were completely consumed in the fire.
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It felt like the episode omitted some information. The mother speculates that someone who was written out of the will was responsible (hence, the missing safe)...surely she had someone in mind when she said that? Typically only close friends and family, or perhaps a charity, would be included in a will, especially given that Bubba and Molli didn't seem to have a particularly large or complicated estate.
Also, why would you take the kids, unless you have some sort of tie to them? It would seem a lot simpler to just kill them along with their grandparents. If they were taken, they were old enough that they'd remember their lives "before" (unlike a baby or toddler), yet they were young enough to need a fair bit of care/supervision. Gage in particular had special needs. It feels like it would be really difficult to keep that sort of things under wraps for almost a decade, especially if you still had a connection to the family. Yet they don't mention anyone who had been acting suspiciously. It seems most logical to me (though not without question marks) that they died in the fire and their remains were missed. |
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None of these seem terrible promising, particularly since of the most statistically likely suspects--the kids' fathers--one is dead and the other has evidently been cleared and involved with the investigation. |
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I agree with JaneError. Things usually fit the simplest explanation, but people tend to go for the more far out theories, when Occam should be applied.
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Amazed the mother let them anywhere near that place, or that social services if involved believed that was a fit place for them to go-the mother & her partner were under investigation between 2006-2010, so most likely something was going on & the kids were farmed out to the grandparents as a result of that, but how on earth a place like that could be considered a safe environment & considering one of the children was special needs & it is impossible to see how the grandparents could possibly cope at their age & with their own problems is crazy. |
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Kids in cages, kidnapped by white slave trading, Illuminati, paedophile Democrats or Republican politicians(seemingly depending on your political bent) appeared to be the hot trending topic last year with lots of people having breakdowns on social media & regurgitating fake stories-much easier than parental abductions, kids running away, being snatched, lured away by ordinary paedophiles apparently.
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I'm really enjoying the new UM podcast, but cases like this one always bother me. It rather reminds me of the Freeman/Bible and Sodder cases. What bothers me about these types of cases is that while I'm always tempted to think zebras so to speak and spin wild theories, there's always a part of me that wonders if maybe the victims haven't been found because there's simply nothing left to find. This is to say that I always end up wondering if the reason why the victims weren't found is because their remains were completely consumed by the fire. What nags at me about this however is that a lot of experts on the subject seem to feel that complete and total incineration of human bodies isn't all that common or easy to achieve. So where does that leave us?
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Listened to this yesterday and I have to agree with the theory that they were simply incarcerated by the fire. The mother throws out a lot of possibilities (changes to the will, kidnapping, robbery) but in my mind it probably went something like this:
There was a small fire in the basement, grandfather goes down to investigate (which is why the door was open), grandmother follows, then the kids hear the commotion and naturally follow, then the propane tanks explode and unfortunately no one makes it out alive. |
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Such an odd case and very reminiscent of the Sodder children disappearance from 1945. I've always believed the Sodder children were killed in the fire and their remains were simply not recovered, but obviously, forensics have advanced so much since then. I could believe that the remains of Chloe and Gage were completely incinerated, but I do find it very odd that they would find remains from the family's pets, including a bird, but nothing from the children.
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The fire experts don’t believe that a body can be fully incinerated. Why don’t you believe them? I don’t think “the most logical answer” is that their bodies burned when it contradicts the experience of experts in this field. It also doesn’t explain the sightings of the children.
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