13 Minutes: The murder of Patrice Endres

[drew790]

This was another solid episode from the Netflix revival.

What are everyone's thoughts? Did the husband do it, the two serial killers interviewed, random act of violence?

I'm leaning down the murder for hire road with the husband. Divorce incoming, Patrice asking what her son would do if she disappeared, and obviously locking her teenage son out of the home the day she disappeared and not letting him collect any of his things as if he knew he wouldn't have to worry about her coming home and being enraged by this.

And the ashes?? Lord, the ashes! He goes from sleeping with them in their shipping box to being stuffed in a closet still in the plastic baggy.

Netflix rebooted Tim McClure

[alistaircranium]

This episode features a classic UM “type”. My jaw dropped at some of the things he said.

[Todd Mueller]

Yeah, the sleeping with the ashes bit is going to propel him near the top of "Weirdest Things People Did on UM." He is certainly an odd duck, which makes her choice to marry him seem weird to me. More on that later...

While were talking about weird, Patrice's son's name is... Pistol? I thought I kept hearing that wrong until I saw it on the screen and thought, "Welp, that's different." I felt bad for the guy, though. He seems lost without his mom and to lose her while he was in high school and in such a horrible manner. Her father was obviously destroyed by this, too. I felt equally bad for him. Oof.

Pistol and the husband obviously didn't get along. I chalk that up to stepdad vs. rebellious high school kid with lack of parenting. Patrice obviously loved her son, but I get the impression she wasn't very firm with him. The husband probably played nice for a while but then got tired of it and that's when they started to fight.

As for the husband, Patrice was everything to him, although I do think it was an odd match. She was 20 years younger than him and she was somewhat attractive, while he looked much older and like a plain older man. Maybe they were both tired of being single but it seemed a bit off to me. That said, I really don't think he did it. What would his motive be? He had no life insurance on her and now he is just lonely and sad. He gained nothing. I suppose if she really was going to leave him that might be a motive, but this doesn't seem like a hit. There is too much of a chance for someone to be seen or something to go wrong in the middle of the day.

I really think it was one of the serial killers mentioned. It makes sense that a serial killer is driving by, sees only one car, and sets up the scenario about needed a jump start. That would totally explain why her truck was found the way it was. During that process, the person takes the money from the register and either intends to take her or does it because she saw the robbery. The perp drives her just far enough away to get away from people and then kills her.

The only other thing that strikes me as off, is why would you take her behind that church? Was it for cover? It seems you'd be more likely to be seen there as opposed to an empty field or something. Maybe it was more secluded than it looked, but that choice was off with me.

Another great story though. Well produced and interesting to watch.

[drew790]

Originally Posted by Todd Mueller

Yeah, the sleeping with the ashes bit is going to propel him near the top of "Weirdest Things People Did on UM." He is certainly an odd duck, which makes her choice to marry him seem weird to me. More on that later...

While were talking about weird, Patrice's son's name is... Pistol? I thought I kept hearing that wrong until I saw it on the screen and thought, "Welp, that's different." I felt bad for the guy, though. He seems lost without his mom and to lose her while he was in high school and in such a horrible manner. Her father was obviously destroyed by this, too. I felt equally bad for him. Oof.

Pistol and the husband obviously didn't get along. I chalk that up to stepdad vs. rebellious high school kid with lack of parenting. Patrice obviously loved her son, but I get the impression she wasn't very firm with him. The husband probably played nice for a while but then got tired of it and that's when they started to fight.

As for the husband, Patrice was everything to him, although I do think it was an odd match. She was 20 years younger than him and she was somewhat attractive, while he looked much older and like a plain older man. Maybe they were both tired of being single but it seemed a bit off to me. That said, I really don't think he did it. What would his motive be? He had no life insurance on her and now he is just lonely and sad. He gained nothing. I suppose if she really was going to leave him that might be a motive, but this doesn't seem like a hit. There is too much of a chance for someone to be seen or something to go wrong in the middle of the day.

I really think it was one of the serial killers mentioned. It makes sense that a serial killer is driving by, sees only one car, and sets up the scenario about needed a jump start. That would totally explain why her truck was found the way it was. During that process, the person takes the money from the register and either intends to take her or does it because she saw the robbery. The perp drives her just far enough away to get away from people and then kills her.

The only other thing that strikes me as off, is why would you take her behind that church? Was it for cover? It seems you'd be more likely to be seen there as opposed to an empty field or something. Maybe it was more secluded than it looked, but that choice was off with me.

Another great story though. Well produced and interesting to watch.

I'm guessing it's a case of slim rural pickings? Probably made her feel some form of security and filled that need from the best of a small dating pool. I just can't get past him kicking the son out the day she disappeared, and not even in some kind of big moment but just changing the locks on him while he was at school. If this woman was your everything like you claim this is what you're going to do to her son? Especially when she could just as easily have been found the next day from all you supposedly knew? To not let him even have his clothes much less any of the family pictures or mementos? Even if he didn't kill her he's an evil bastard.

[drew790]

Originally Posted by alistaircranium

This episode features a classic UM “type”. My jaw dropped at some of the things he said.

Tim McClure and Jim Harrison had a baby

[TripleG]

Just got done watching it...

OK, the ex-husband admitting to kissing the skeleton, and then sleeping with her ashes, and then pulling the bag of ashes out in front of the camera are all creepy as all hell, right?

I guess we all grieve in different ways, but good Lord man.

[pardilia]

Originally Posted by TripleG

Just got done watching it...

OK, the ex-husband admitting to kissing the skeleton, and then sleeping with her ashes, and then pulling the bag of ashes out in front of the camera are all creepy as all hell, right?

I guess we all grieve in different ways, but good Lord man.

Imo, it was all lies. He keeps her in the original box in the bottom of a messy closet and made sure to mention that he would NEVER give her to her son. If all of the affection was true, he wouldn't be keeping her in the bottom of a closet in a stained and beat up cardboard box.

I think the only way he slept with her cremains was if the box was left on his bed before it made it to the closet.

How do you love someone so much and change the locks on them the day she disappears so her beloved son can't even get his belongings. Unless, you know that she isn't coming back and you don't have to share your house with another man that takes her attention from you.

I don't think he did any of the kissing or sleeping. I think he knew she was going to leave or at least thinking about it and even in death that poor woman is a POSSESSION, not a person.

[drew790]

Originally Posted by TripleG

Just got done watching it...

OK, the ex-husband admitting to kissing the skeleton, and then sleeping with her ashes, and then pulling the bag of ashes out in front of the camera are all creepy as all hell, right?

I guess we all grieve in different ways, but good Lord man.

I can't imagine being so attached to someone and distraught over their death that I slept with their ashes unopened in their shipping packaging, and then only opening them for the first time EVER in 15 years live for a documentary crew.

[Tighthead]

Husband is obviously the prime suspect. Part of me thinks no guilty man would be so stupid to admit to the creepy stuff, and make so many callous remarks. The guy does not have the self preservation gene.

I have to think that the detailed confession from the convicted killer makes any future prosecution difficult. That gives the defendant a pretty good alternate suspect.

If I had to guess (or lay odds, in deference to a former prominent poster), I think he hired someone to do it. I have to wonder if the GBI really dug deep on the license plates. Looking for a blue or green domestic sedan with the quail feature. Can there really be that many? The investigator repeated how credible that info was, it seems like that was the path to go down in 2005.

[mphs95]

Originally Posted by drew790

This was another solid episode from the Netflix revival.

What are everyone's thoughts? Did the husband do it, the two serial killers interviewed, random act of violence?

I'm leaning down the murder for hire road with the husband. Divorce incoming, Patrice asking what her son would do if she disappeared, and obviously locking her teenage son out of the home the day she disappeared and not letting him collect any of his things as if he knew he wouldn't have to worry about her coming home and being enraged by this.

And the ashes?? Lord, the ashes! He goes from sleeping with them in their shipping box to being stuffed in a closet still in the plastic baggy.

Netflix rebooted Tim McClure

I had edged towards a serial killer until they mentioned the missing wedding ring. She wasn't robbed but had no wedding ring. Hubby had a loaded comment about them using a wheelbarrow to push her out to the location, a very remote location. He could have hired someone and promised payment when he got the ring, either as proof or because he wanted it back.

Or a SK kept the ring as a souvenir. Either way, the ring has never showed up, and if it's robbery you figured it would have been found at some point. As for the husband locking the kid out w/o getting clothes...Okay, you want him safe w/o bothering you? Let him get his clothes and stuff and he'll leave you alone.

[drew790]

I wonder if this confession that he recanted featured any of the privileged information? I’m guessing if they’re looking at other possibilities the answer is no?

[mphs95]

Originally Posted by Todd Mueller

Yeah, the sleeping with the ashes bit is going to propel him near the top of "Weirdest Things People Did on UM." He is certainly an odd duck, which makes her choice to marry him seem weird to me. More on that later...

While were talking about weird, Patrice's son's name is... Pistol? I thought I kept hearing that wrong until I saw it on the screen and thought, "Welp, that's different." I felt bad for the guy, though. He seems lost without his mom and to lose her while he was in high school and in such a horrible manner. Her father was obviously destroyed by this, too. I felt equally bad for him. Oof.

Pistol and the husband obviously didn't get along. I chalk that up to stepdad vs. rebellious high school kid with lack of parenting. Patrice obviously loved her son, but I get the impression she wasn't very firm with him. The husband probably played nice for a while but then got tired of it and that's when they started to fight.

As for the husband, Patrice was everything to him, although I do think it was an odd match. She was 20 years younger than him and she was somewhat attractive, while he looked much older and like a plain older man. Maybe they were both tired of being single but it seemed a bit off to me. That said, I really don't think he did it. What would his motive be? He had no life insurance on her and now he is just lonely and sad. He gained nothing. I suppose if she really was going to leave him that might be a motive, but this doesn't seem like a hit. There is too much of a chance for someone to be seen or something to go wrong in the middle of the day.

I really think it was one of the serial killers mentioned. It makes sense that a serial killer is driving by, sees only one car, and sets up the scenario about needed a jump start. That would totally explain why her truck was found the way it was. During that process, the person takes the money from the register and either intends to take her or does it because she saw the robbery. The perp drives her just far enough away to get away from people and then kills her.

The only other thing that strikes me as off, is why would you take her behind that church? Was it for cover? It seems you'd be more likely to be seen there as opposed to an empty field or something. Maybe it was more secluded than it looked, but that choice was off with me.

Another great story though. Well produced and interesting to watch.

They didn't speak to Pistol's dad but he seemed like an older man, too, so perhaps that was her type?

[mphs95]

Originally Posted by idyla

Imo, it was all lies. He keeps her in the original box in the bottom of a messy closet and made sure to mention that he would NEVER give her to her son. If all of the affection was true, he wouldn't be keeping her in the bottom of a closet in a stained and beat up cardboard box.

I think the only way he slept with her cremains was if the box was left on his bed before it made it to the closet.

How do you love someone so much and change the locks on them the day she disappears so her beloved son can't even get his belongings. Unless, you know that she isn't coming back and you don't have to share your house with another man that takes her attention from you.

I don't think he did any of the kissing or sleeping. I think he knew she was going to leave or at least thinking about it and even in death that poor woman is a POSSESSION, not a person.

I get leaving the ashes there if you can't face them...you're that devastated. However, sleeping with them and then still storing them 16 years later in the closet? You don't like her kid? Fine. Give him half of the ashes and let him take some stuff of his mother's.

[TheEZ]

Is no one going to say anything about that chick’s Kate Gosselin haircut?

[danmanx]

Originally Posted by idyla

How do you love someone so much and change the locks on them the day she disappears so her beloved son can't even get his belongings. Unless, you know that she isn't coming back and you don't have to share your house with another man that takes her attention from you.

I don't think he did any of the kissing or sleeping. I think he knew she was going to leave or at least thinking about it and even in death that poor woman is a POSSESSION, not a person.

Boom and Boom. That makes no sense to change the locks. That's a *HUGE* sign of I did something and I need to change part of my life.

Part of what police detectives do is see a person that does the SAME thing every day. If there's a change such as that, it's a huge warning sign.

They really laid him out during the last 15 minutes. Wanting to see her bones put together. Holding and kissing her skull?! I think he did it. I don't think any rational, normal person would do that.

And yes.

The POSSESSION. All Caps completely in agreement, idyla! That was crystal clear. He now has her. He won't let the son even look at her cremated ashes? That's just cruel and unfair. Pistol seemed like he was a bad boy growing up, but the ex was done with Pistol *THE NEXT DAY* she disappeared....that's....disturbing. It could be that he hated Pistol so much that he knew it would hurt Pistol more if he killed her and now he has her forever. No divorce needed. Sociopaths don't think normally like us. To them, it was a good choice as long as their needs are satisfied.

EDIT: He also may be impotent and their relationship was not based sexually therefore satisfying the possession of her only physically.