Jill and Julie Hansen

[jOHnNyD]

Originally Posted by UMlover

Sorry to bump this thread—wanted to say I’ve always found it fascinating that UM included the very brief interview with Julie’s doctor where he says “Julie definitely didn’t tell me she saw Donnie in the gun flash.” It’s interesting because for the entire segment it’s evidence on top of evidence on top of evidence that Donnie is guilty and UM plays that angle hard. There is the preposterous “alternate version of events” proposed by Donnie’s lawyer, but it’s just absurd to me. The doctor’s interview on the other hand, seems like UM included it to say “Donnie’s guilty as hell, but if there’s one thing we really don’t understand, it’s this”

just feels out of place, funny to me that it was included

It’s probably editing more than anything. It all depends on how the question about Julie was asked. Maybe the interviewer was trying grill him because the narrative had been that Julie was consistent about seeing Donnie in the flash. Yet the doctor was insistent about setting the record straight. Especially since he wanted to defend how he took the effort to get critical info out of Julie when it was a fresh event.

[A_Ghost_named_Samuel]

Originally Posted by jOHnNyD

It’s probably editing more than anything. It all depends on how the question about Julie was asked. Maybe the interviewer was trying grill him because the narrative had been that Julie was consistent about seeing Donnie in the flash. Yet the doctor was insistent about setting the record straight. Especially since he wanted to defend how he took the effort to get critical info out of Julie when it was a fresh event.

Amazing how a Doctor of all people would defend how he took the effort to get critical info out of a girl that just went through Hell when he should have put more of an effort into saving the girl's life.

[WishfulDreamer]

I also find that element of the segment silly because to me, of course Julie would have told her parents rather than her doctor. She probably was scared and wanted to confide in them rather than having someone she'd never met before run and tell the authorities this without discussing it with her parents first. Julie was also probably on heavy medication considering the extent of her injuries. So to me, the doctor's account is pretty much meaningless.

[UMlover]

Originally Posted by WishfulDreamer

I also find that element of the segment silly because to me, of course Julie would have told her parents rather than her doctor. She probably was scared and wanted to confide in them rather than having someone she'd never met before run and tell the authorities this without discussing it with her parents first. Julie was also probably on heavy medication considering the extent of her injuries. So to me, the doctor's account is pretty much meaningless.

Good point. Ain’t no small thing to implicate your brother in a crime of that magnitude.

[marlins3]

Originally Posted by A_Ghost_named_Samuel

Amazing how a Doctor of all people would defend how he took the effort to get critical info out of a girl that just went through Hell when he should have put more of an effort into saving the girl's life.

Um, how do you know there was any negligence whatsoever on the doctor's part? She dies from an air bubble in an IV. The IV was very likely not put in by the doctor. Also, it's very possible (actually probable) that this wasn't due to any "lack of effort" to save her.

[jOHnNyD]

Originally Posted by marlins3

Um, how do you know there was any negligence whatsoever on the doctor's part? She dies from an air bubble in an IV. The IV was very likely not put in by the doctor. Also, it's very possible (actually probable) that this wasn't due to any "lack of effort" to save her.

It was also part of the job of her doctor to assess what happened. Doctors question patients on events that caused their injury because it could turn out to be relevant to their treatment. Even Tom Hughes was depicted to be questioned by the doctor who was treating his leg wound.

[A_Ghost_named_Samuel]

sorry I was under the impression she died from medical neglect but I just read the update on the wiki

[mwcarolina]

This case I always felt that Donnie knew more. I can’t answer if he was guilty or not, but I think he was part of it.

[XCalibur]

Originally Posted by mwcarolina

This case I always felt that Donnie knew more. I can’t answer if he was guilty or not, but I think he was part of it.

I've racked my brain over this case over the years. And I still can't fathom any scenario Donnie was not somehow involved in this. He bought the gasoline and shotgun used shortly before the murders, this just happens to occur when he is visiting, he gets caught trying to steal the shotgun, he apparently hid the shotgun before anyone even knew there was a shooting, I mean it just doesn't get much more damning than that.

still many unanswered questions and things that didn't add up though, like the two men seen at the trailer. I'd have to say the neighbors seeing them is the only reason he got off. On the whole people would rather believe that unknown bad guys will come in and set fire to a house and kill two girls than believe a family member did it.

Unless Donnie or one of his accomplices assuming they exist someday confesses what happened, we probably will never know the whole truth. I guess its always possible, seems like I read somewhere Donnie is basically an alcoholic today and those who've been near him say he's a shell of his former self with guilt over something. No idea if its true. But I'm skeptical cause he'd have to be massively evil to do something like that assuming the intention was to burn the whole family up. Of course its possible that wasn't the intention and this happened as a result of something else getting out of hand. But either way, Donnie was involved to some extent. I see no way around that.

It would be nice if friends or people close to Donnie would come on the board someday and shed some light on this. I'd be curious to know if he was involved in drugs or gambling or some such thing. Or needed money badly.

[mwcarolina]

Originally Posted by XCalibur

I've racked my brain over this case over the years. And I still can't fathom any scenario Donnie was not somehow involved in this. He bought the gasoline and shotgun used shortly before the murders, this just happens to occur when he is visiting, he gets caught trying to steal the shotgun, he apparently hid the shotgun before anyone even knew there was a shooting, I mean it just doesn't get much more damning than that.

still many unanswered questions and things that didn't add up though, like the two men seen at the trailer. I'd have to say the neighbors seeing them is the only reason he got off. On the whole people would rather believe that unknown bad guys will come in and set fire to a house and kill two girls than believe a family member did it.

Unless Donnie or one of his accomplices assuming they exist someday confesses what happened, we probably will never know the whole truth. I guess its always possible, seems like I read somewhere Donnie is basically an alcoholic today and those who've been near him say he's a shell of his former self with guilt over something. No idea if its true. But I'm skeptical cause he'd have to be massively evil to do something like that assuming the intention was to burn the whole family up. Of course its possible that wasn't the intention and this happened as a result of something else getting out of hand. But either way, Donnie was involved to some extent. I see no way around that.

It would be nice if friends or people close to Donnie would come on the board someday and shed some light on this. I'd be curious to know if he was involved in drugs or gambling or some such thing. Or needed money badly.

That’s what I believe happened, I think this had something to do with drugs or gambling and Donnie was involved with this and maybe one of the girls woke up at the wrong time or something

[SPD Yellow]

Originally Posted by marlins3

Um, how do you know there was any negligence whatsoever on the doctor's part? She dies from an air bubble in an IV. The IV was very likely not put in by the doctor. Also, it's very possible (actually probable) that this wasn't due to any "lack of effort" to save her.

I am totally on Team Donnie Is Guilty As Sin because there are just too many coincidences on top of coincidences for me to believe otherwise, the idea some stranger just happened to shoot his sisters with the shotgun Donnie owned and burn down the house with gasoline Donnie had purchased earlier...I suppose it’s conceivably possible that someone else did it, but it seems extraordinarily unlikely; there are probably more coinjoined twins who have been born than that happening.

Still, sometimes I wonder if OJ’s Dream Team isn’t a little impressed by whoever defended Donnie. Because even they would have a difficult time winning this one.

But I agree with StackTime in that the air bubble in the IV was probably a stupid accident, serving as a source of good luck for one of the worst people around. Given the number of amateurish mistakes Donnie made, I have a hard time believing that he’d be smart enough to come up with something like this. It sucks when bad things happen to good people, but it sucks even worse when bad people receive a stroke of look.

[marlins3]

Originally Posted by SPD Yellow

I am totally on Team Donnie Is Guilty As Sin because there are just too many coincidences on top of coincidences for me to believe otherwise, the idea some stranger just happened to shoot his sisters with the shotgun Donnie owned and burn down the house with gasoline Donnie had purchased earlier...I suppose it’s conceivably possible that someone else did it, but it seems extraordinarily unlikely; there are probably more coinjoined twins who have been born than that happening.

Still, sometimes I wonder if OJ’s Dream Team isn’t a little impressed by whoever defended Donnie. Because even they would have a difficult time winning this one.

But I agree with StackTime in that the air bubble in the IV was probably a stupid accident, serving as a source of good luck for one of the worst people around. Given the number of amateurish mistakes Donnie made, I have a hard time believing that he’d be smart enough to come up with something like this. It sucks when bad things happen to good people, but it sucks even worse when bad people receive a stroke of look.

I am sorry if I am misunderstanding your post. Are you implying that I mean Donnie was responsible for the air bubble in the IV? By no means at all do I think that. Actually, that thought never crossed my mind until I saw your post. I meant the air bubble was an accident completely. I agree it helped Donnie's case immensely that his sister could not testify at the trial.

[TripleG]

There were a ton of cases on UM that made me go "What's the mystery?! You did it, you liar".

Stephen Marfeo, Paul Pollis, and the dang Noe famly...all obvious "YOU DID IT!" types.

This might be the biggest "YOU DID IT!!" stories. I can't imagine any scenario where Donnie wasn't involved.

1) Bought the gas, the gun, and the ammo right before the night of the fire/murders
2) Tried to steal the gun from the crime scene and hide the gun after the fact and lied about it to investigators
3) Failed two polygraphs. Yes I know that can't be accepted as evidence, but in the courtroom of my mind, its a small factor that adds onto Donny's guilt, on top of everything else.
4) His sister claimed she saw his face in the gun shot blast. Again, her testimony couldn't be used in court and the Doc said she saw no one...but I doubt pointing the finger at your own brother is an easy thing to do. That's not something to throw around lightly, and the defense's explanation for it is downright silly. Oh speaking of that:
6) The Defense's story makes absolutely no sense. You expect me to believe that these murderers just came to the sight and just happened to find the gas and the gun on their own, and while they are shooting the girls, they just happened to leave Donny all alone, even though he would have been the closest to them?
7) Donny changed his story AFTER the trial (Defense said he was awakened by the shotgun shots, and then after the trial, he said he never heard them...ok then)
8) He couldn't answer basic question like "Why would he pull the gun out of the car before anyone even knew it was a crime scene?". I mean UM gave him an opportunity to tell his side of the story and he didn't do that very well.
9) His own Mother believed he did it. Again, that's not proof, but I've seen so many mothers (On UM even) defend their children to the ends of the Earth. For her to say she thought Donny was involved and that he has the answers, that doesn't speak to Donny's credibility.

At the very least, I believe Donny knows what happened that night and was some how connected to putting the events into motion. I would love to see transcripts of the actual trial because the way UM presents it, their verdict just baffles me. Again, its a show, and they could be skewing things one way or even just cut out details due to time, but there are just too many coincidences and too many incongruities with the defense and Donny's account for me to even consider ignoring.

To be fair, I've been wrong before. As it turns out, I thought for sure that Charles Donovan's story about the hitchhiker was a flimsy alibi to cover up his own wrong doings, and it turned out I was completely wrong and he was telling the truth. However, Charles provided a full account and a full story. Its outlandish and over the top, which is why I didn't believe it, but he had his story, he stuck to it, and it turned out that wild story was the truth. Donny's story just doesn't add up and keeps changing.

[WishfulDreamer]

The defense's scenario (which is reenacted in the segment) is just so laughable to me that I can't believe that Donnie was acquitted.

We are supposed to believe that Donnie is sleeping on the couch, Julie walks in, an intruder shoots her and then runs away when Donnie yells at him...instead of turning the gun on the bigger threat between the two. What? Then Donnie claims he helped Julie outside after that (by her own account, she stumbled out herself). Then when did the gunman come back in and shoot Jill if he "ran away" after shooting Julie? Or are we supposed to believe an accomplice ran in and did that while Donnie was distracted?

Let's ignore the implausibility of the above and call it a fluke. Even then, keep in mind that Donnie's mother saw him yelling at someone to get out off the property and then he met both his parents to go grab fire extinguishers. Not once in all the time talking to his parents did he mention Julie being shot. Not once did he tell them there was at least one gunman running around while this fire was raging.

They exchanged words while running back and forth for the fire extinguishers. If Donnie was innocent, wouldn't he have told his parents they needed to be careful because a lunatic with a gun was running around? Wouldn't he have told them Julie was shot but he'd gotten her to safety? Conveniently he didn't say anything until Julie was found across the road by someone else, at which point he claimed, "I got her out."

To be clear, I do think he could have had accomplices, but I just can't believe he was innocent.

[atomicfizz]

Originally Posted by TripleG

There were a ton of cases on UM that made me go "What's the mystery?! You did it, you liar".

Stephen Marfeo, Paul Pollis, and the dang Noe famly...all obvious "YOU DID IT!" types.

This might be the biggest "YOU DID IT!!" stories. I can't imagine any scenario where Donnie wasn't involved.

1) Bought the gas, the gun, and the ammo right before the night of the fire/murders
2) Tried to steal the gun from the crime scene and hide the gun after the fact and lied about it to investigators
3) Failed two polygraphs. Yes I know that can't be accepted as evidence, but in the courtroom of my mind, its a small factor that adds onto Donny's guilt, on top of everything else.
4) His sister claimed she saw his face in the gun shot blast. Again, her testimony couldn't be used in court and the Doc said she saw no one...but I doubt pointing the finger at your own brother is an easy thing to do. That's not something to throw around lightly, and the defense's explanation for it is downright silly. Oh speaking of that:
6) The Defense's story makes absolutely no sense. You expect me to believe that these murderers just came to the sight and just happened to find the gas and the gun on their own, and while they are shooting the girls, they just happened to leave Donny all alone, even though he would have been the closest to them?
7) Donny changed his story AFTER the trial (Defense said he was awakened by the shotgun shots, and then after the trial, he said he never heard them...ok then)
8) He couldn't answer basic question like "Why would he pull the gun out of the car before anyone even knew it was a crime scene?". I mean UM gave him an opportunity to tell his side of the story and he didn't do that very well.
9) His own Mother believed he did it. Again, that's not proof, but I've seen so many mothers (On UM even) defend their children to the ends of the Earth. For her to say she thought Donny was involved and that he has the answers, that doesn't speak to Donny's credibility.

At the very least, I believe Donny knows what happened that night and was some how connected to putting the events into motion. I would love to see transcripts of the actual trial because the way UM presents it, their verdict just baffles me. Again, its a show, and they could be skewing things one way or even just cut out details due to time, but there are just too many coincidences and too many incongruities with the defense and Donny's account for me to even consider ignoring.

To be fair, I've been wrong before. As it turns out, I thought for sure that Charles Donovan's story about the hitchhiker was a flimsy alibi to cover up his own wrong doings, and it turned out I was completely wrong and he was telling the truth. However, Charles provided a full account and a full story. Its outlandish and over the top, which is why I didn't believe it, but he had his story, he stuck to it, and it turned out that wild story was the truth. Donny's story just doesn't add up and keeps changing.

I agree 100%. Donny having something to do with this and the Noes being guilty are the tried and true quintessential THEY DID IT moments on this show, ever.