Nightmare on Elm Street

[cfr1970]

I haven't seen these Freddy films in so many years that a lot of it is new to me again because i've forgotten so much of it. I found parts 1 & 2 boring, but tonight I saw part 3 and things finally picked up.

The only part I remembered from when I originally saw it was when the girl got killed with all the drug needles lol. I don't know why that triggered my memory! (I never did drugs )

The return of Nancy from part 1 was welcome and I think this film should've been part 2 and that actual part 2 debacle never made because it really had no connection to the first one while part 3 did.

I just didn't get how Nancy was there since at the end of part 1 she was locked in the car with her friends and Freddy took them away....so I guess that was a dream?

It seemed to be 5 years later but they put a gray streak in her hair to make her look older which I found weird because she'd still be only 22 or 23.....why try and make her look 40?!

The kills were great but when the girl got her head smashed into the TV and the hospital worker found her, how on earth would they still consider that a suicide?! It was physically impossible for one person to do that to themselves!! Anyone with a brain could've seen it was a homicide!

I like how we learned Freddy's history and the awful way he came into existence. I had totally forgotten all about that so it was a shock to learn when I watched it tonight that he was "The product of 100 maniacs".

And the end where we learn who the old nun was, I feel completely stupid for not seeing that coming at all!! Usually I pick up on these things during films, but when it was revealed who she was I was like "Oh crap!"

I haven't seen part 4 yet so i'm curious to find out how they bring him back after burying his bones with the holy water that was supposed to rest his soul. But like Jason, they obviously find a way of course.

But no spoilers please! I won't watch it till next Saturday and I like to go in knowing as little as possible!

[Christopher]

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I haven't seen these Freddy films in so many years that a lot of it is new to me again because i've forgotten so much of it. I found parts 1 & 2 boring, but tonight I saw part 3 and things finally picked up.

Oh good. I'm glad you enjoyed part 3. Part 3 really picks up the Freddy history. We learn how he was conceived and what kind of man was his father. We also get the introduction of hypnocil which is reference again in a later Freddy movie.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

The return of Nancy from part 1 was welcome and I think this film should've been part 2 and that actual part 2 debacle never made because it really had no connection to the first one while part 3 did.

I just didn't get how Nancy was there since at the end of part 1 she was locked in the car with her friends and Freddy took them away....so I guess that was a dream?

I agree part 2 never should have been made. I don't remember Jesse even being mentioned in the following movies so it was like the story never existed. If you remember in part 2, it is mentioned Nancy went crazy after her mom "killed" herself in the living room and she saw her boyfriend get murdered. I believe it was to be our interpretation that Nancy was dreaming in the end of part 1 and came out of it before Freddy could kill her.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

It seemed to be 5 years later but they put a gray streak in her hair to make her look older which I found weird because she'd still be only 22 or 23.....why try and make her look 40?!

Well the gray streak is on the wrong side. In part 1, the streak is on her left side. Freddy scared her so bad that a streak on her left side turned white. I don't know how it switched to the right side for part 3

Originally Posted by cfr1970

The kills were great but when the girl got her head smashed into the TV and the hospital worker found her, how on earth would they still consider that a suicide?! It was physically impossible for one person to do that to themselves!! Anyone with a brain could've seen it was a homicide!

I like how Freddy killed Phillip. Ripping his veins out and using him as a puppet was creative. That's one thing I really like about the Freddy movies. His kills are never the same like Jason and Michael. The Freddy movies do a lot of special effects for when he kills someone bringing art to the films. As for Jennifer's death, I like how Freddy says "welcome to primetime bitch" before shoving her in the TV I love some of his lines before his kills.

This is something part 2 lacked. There was no creativity to when Freddy killed someone. All part 2 was about was using Jesse as a vessel to bring Freddy back. I thought it was lame. Freddy didn't even act like Freddy in part 2. There were no clever lines and he at times looked confused when he was about to kill someone. The focus wasn't there like the other Freddy films.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I like how we learned Freddy's history and the awful way he came into existence. I had totally forgotten all about that so it was a shock to learn when I watched it tonight that he was "The product of 100 maniacs".

And the end where we learn who the old nun was, I feel completely stupid for not seeing that coming at all!! Usually I pick up on these things during films, but when it was revealed who she was I was like "Oh crap!"

This is one thing I really enjoy about the Freddy movies. They tell his history in the movies. We learn more about Freddy in the following films so this wasn't the only movie to discuss his history.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I haven't seen part 4 yet so i'm curious to find out how they bring him back after burying his bones with the holy water that was supposed to rest his soul. But like Jason, they obviously find a way of course.

But no spoilers please! I won't watch it till next Saturday and I like to go in knowing as little as possible!

You're not watching part 4 until next weekend? It's going to take you months before you get to Final Destination and Scream then I can't remember if you answered this, were you able to get Freddy vs. Jason? That's one of my favorite Freddy films.

[Torgo]

I'm a fan of the Elm Street franchise, saw them all during their first run theatrical releases. Even the silly sequels like part 6 are never boring.

I love part 2, it kept the dark tone of the original before Freddy became jokey, and features some excellent make up effects by Marc Shostrom

There's an excellent documentary on the franchise titled Never Sleep Again, well worth checking out.

[Christopher]

Originally Posted by Torgo

I love part 2, it kept the dark tone of the original before Freddy became jokey, and features some excellent make up effects by Marc Shostrom

There's an excellent documentary on the franchise titled Never Sleep Again, well worth checking out.

I'm a huge fan of Freddy. I like the direction they took Freddy starting with part 3. He may appear jokey or cartoonish at times, but he became a true psychopath getting pleasure out of his kills. As I mentioned previously, his kills are always different. It's like he needs that creativeness in order to keep killing. When looking at other horror villains like Jason and Michael, it's always the same weapon and same way. It never changed. I like that Freddy always had something new each time.

I'm not a fan of documentaries but I'll check that out. Thanks for the suggestion

[Torgo]

A warning, the documentary is close to 4 hours long, but like it and the Friday The 13th one, I break them up instead of trying to watch in one sitting.


Of the three big slasher franchises from the 80s, Elm Street is the most consistent, the back story always felt like it was being built upon, where the one's for Jason and Michael they were constantly changing things.

Elm Street had the advantage of everything being created by Freddy's mind in nightmares, there were no limits to what they could do killwise, and some of the best of the effects artists worked on that franchise.

[cfr1970]

Originally Posted by Christopher

I agree part 2 never should have been made. I don't remember Jesse even being mentioned in the following movies so it was like the story never existed. If you remember in part 2, it is mentioned Nancy went crazy after her mom "killed" herself in the living room and she saw her boyfriend get murdered. I believe it was to be our interpretation that Nancy was dreaming in the end of part 1 and came out of it before Freddy could kill her.

Yeah, I remember when that was mentioned in part 2 and wondered why it was said that she went crazy instead of being killed because of that final scene in part 1. I think they should've showed her waking up before it was over so we'd know it was a dream and to not take it literally.

Originally Posted by Christopher

Well the gray streak is on the wrong side. In part 1, the streak is on her left side. Freddy scared her so bad that a streak on her left side turned white. I don't know how it switched to the right side for part 3

I hadn't even noticed the grey streak in part 1! I thought it was something they gave her for part 3 just to age her, but if she had it in part 1 i'll have to have a look again because I didn't even see it then!

Originally Posted by Christopher

I like how Freddy killed Phillip. Ripping his veins out and using him as a puppet was creative. That's one thing I really like about the Freddy movies. His kills are never the same like Jason and Michael. The Freddy movies do a lot of special effects for when he kills someone bringing art to the films. As for Jennifer's death, I like how Freddy says "welcome to primetime bitch" before shoving her in the TV I love some of his lines before his kills.

I liked the vein killing too but Freddy's one liners imo come off hammy and makes him less scary. I don't want my serial killers doing stand up acts.

Originally Posted by Christopher

This is something part 2 lacked. There was no creativity to when Freddy killed someone. All part 2 was about was using Jesse as a vessel to bring Freddy back. I thought it was lame. Freddy didn't even act like Freddy in part 2. There were no clever lines and he at times looked confused when he was about to kill someone. The focus wasn't there like the other Freddy films.

Another thing I didn't like about part 2 is how Freddy was brought into reality and scaring all the pool party kids. I think it's scarier to keep him restricted to the dream world and I hope in the rest of the parts he stays there more.

Originally Posted by Christopher

This is one thing I really enjoy about the Freddy movies. They tell his history in the movies. We learn more about Freddy in the following films so this wasn't the only movie to discuss his history.

I have a faint memory of when he was killed by the parents and burned alive in one of them. I'm guessing that's in part 4? And i'm still shocked that I didn't see coming that the nun was his mother. I feel dumb for not catching that during the film.

Originally Posted by Christopher

You're not watching part 4 until next weekend? It's going to take you months before you get to Final Destination and Scream then I can't remember if you answered this, were you able to get Freddy vs. Jason? That's one of my favorite Freddy films.

I have so much dvd viewing lined up that I set certain ones for different days to watch. I'm buying up so many off Ebay because I want to have as many as I can get if a lot of these films and TV shows are going to be "revised" by the PC nazis.

So I set aside Saturday nights for my horror watching. I should finish the Freddy films by 8/1 and finish the Final Destinations by 9/5 and then start the Screams and finish those by 10/3 and just in time for Halloween, i'll start those.

I actually have TWO copies of Freddy vs. Jason! It was included in the Jason Goes to Hell dvd set and also in the 2nd set of Freddy films. I'm saving that for last because I want to have seen both series before seeing them go against each other.

[cfr1970]

Originally Posted by Torgo

I'm a fan of the Elm Street franchise, saw them all during their first run theatrical releases. Even the silly sequels like part 6 are never boring.

I love part 2, it kept the dark tone of the original before Freddy became jokey, and features some excellent make up effects by Marc Shostrom

There's an excellent documentary on the franchise titled Never Sleep Again, well worth checking out.

I too am not much of a fan of jokey Freddy. I like his anger much more but when he cracks those one liners, to me it comes off hammy and makes him less fearsome to me.

I'll have to get Never Sleep Again and check it out after I view the whole series. Thanks!

[cfr1970]

Originally Posted by Torgo

A warning, the documentary is close to 4 hours long, but like it and the Friday The 13th one, I break them up instead of trying to watch in one sitting.


Of the three big slasher franchises from the 80s, Elm Street is the most consistent, the back story always felt like it was being built upon, where the one's for Jason and Michael they were constantly changing things.

Elm Street had the advantage of everything being created by Freddy's mind in nightmares, there were no limits to what they could do killwise, and some of the best of the effects artists worked on that franchise.

I picked up on something in part 3 last night about no limits in the dreams and it was shown a little when the group went into their dreams together. They became whatever they wanted to be, so theoretically, couldn't any one of them become on Freddy's level if they simply dreamed it up and fought him as an equal?

This is what I was thinking when the one kid became a Wizard and started fighting Freddy....If he could become a Wizard, then surely he could become an evil creature with powers higher than Freddy in order to fight him off. If things are limitless for Freddy to kill them in dreams, the same should apply to his victims too.

[Torgo]

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I too am not much of a fan of jokey Freddy. I like his anger much more but when he cracks those one liners, to me it comes off hammy and makes him less fearsome to me.

I'll have to get Never Sleep Again and check it out after I view the whole series. Thanks!

The lighter funnier Freddy is what made him appeal to kids in real life, which is funny considering he was a child killer in the movies.

[Torgo]

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I picked up on something in part 3 last night about no limits in the dreams and it was shown a little when the group went into their dreams together. They became whatever they wanted to be, so theoretically, couldn't any one of them become on Freddy's level if they simply dreamed it up and fought him as an equal?

This is what I was thinking when the one kid became a Wizard and started fighting Freddy....If he could become a Wizard, then surely he could become an evil creature with powers higher than Freddy in order to fight him off. If things are limitless for Freddy to kill them in dreams, the same should apply to his victims too.

That's a good point, though I guess Freddy's powers came from something more than just the dream world like the teens which made him more powerful?

[Christopher]

Originally Posted by Torgo

Of the three big slasher franchises from the 80s, Elm Street is the most consistent, the back story always felt like it was being built upon, where the one's for Jason and Michael they were constantly changing things.

I never knew this until cfr recently pointed out, the last Halloween movie got rid of the sibling relationship between Michael and Laurie. After reading some reviews, it appears John Carpenter regretted making them siblings in part 2 of Halloween and wanted to rewrite that. I think it's dumb because why is Michael after Laurie now if they're not brother and sister? 40 years later and he wants to kill a retired babysitter that's pushing 60

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I hadn't even noticed the grey streak in part 1! I thought it was something they gave her for part 3 just to age her, but if she had it in part 1 i'll have to have a look again because I didn't even see it then!

Yeah but it's on the wrong side for part 3. In part 1 it's on the left side. She still had her color on the right side. Maybe off screen, Freddy scared her again to where her hair turned white on the right side?

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I liked the vein killing too but Freddy's one liners imo come off hammy and makes him less scary. I don't want my serial killers doing stand up acts.

The stand up acts could use some refreshers nowadays though

Originally Posted by cfr1970

Another thing I didn't like about part 2 is how Freddy was brought into reality and scaring all the pool party kids. I think it's scarier to keep him restricted to the dream world and I hope in the rest of the parts he stays there more.

That's the scene where I think he looks confused and not sure what to do next. He wasn't even killing anyone at the pool. He was just running around which was odd. I like dream Freddy more where he can do whatever he wants because as he says, it's his world.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I have a faint memory of when he was killed by the parents and burned alive in one of them. I'm guessing that's in part 4? And i'm still shocked that I didn't see coming that the nun was his mother. I feel dumb for not catching that during the film.

I'm not going to say what movie that scene is from because I don't want to give anything away. It does go into Freddy's history though in part 5 and 6. Don't feel dumb. I love when horror movies do that though. Sleepaway Camp is a great 80's horror film that had a huge shocker at the end. If you're able to find that one, get it.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I have so much dvd viewing lined up that I set certain ones for different days to watch. I'm buying up so many off Ebay because I want to have as many as I can get if a lot of these films and TV shows are going to be "revised" by the PC nazis.

So I set aside Saturday nights for my horror watching. I should finish the Freddy films by 8/1 and finish the Final Destinations by 9/5 and then start the Screams and finish those by 10/3 and just in time for Halloween, i'll start those.

I actually have TWO copies of Freddy vs. Jason! It was included in the Jason Goes to Hell dvd set and also in the 2nd set of Freddy films. I'm saving that for last because I want to have seen both series before seeing them go against each other.

I understand getting all the movies and shows you can while they're available. I just read an episode of The Golden Girls is getting removed because mud masks looked like they were doing blackface. It looks like every show will be examined before people are able to see it again on TV and streaming sites.

Are you going to watch the new Nightmare on Elm Street? It's honestly not that good if you are. Only Robert Englund can pull off Freddy.

I'm glad you got Freddy vs. Jason. Since Robert is done playing Freddy, I'm glad he went out with a bang. Nothing against Wes Craven's New Nightmare, but that is one trippy movie

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I picked up on something in part 3 last night about no limits in the dreams and it was shown a little when the group went into their dreams together. They became whatever they wanted to be, so theoretically, couldn't any one of them become on Freddy's level if they simply dreamed it up and fought him as an equal?

This is what I was thinking when the one kid became a Wizard and started fighting Freddy....If he could become a Wizard, then surely he could become an evil creature with powers higher than Freddy in order to fight him off. If things are limitless for Freddy to kill them in dreams, the same should apply to his victims too.

Whenever someone tries that though, they end up getting killed. I think Freddy has too much power in the dream world to let someone overpower him.

Originally Posted by Torgo

The lighter funnier Freddy is what made him appeal to kids in real life, which is funny considering he was a child killer in the movies.

I was a kid when I started watching Freddy and enjoying the films. I do see how Freddy can be interpreted as a funny villain. After reviewing the movies as an adult, I also see Freddy gets a lot of pleasure when killing someone. He always switches it up because it's like he needs that creativity for his kills. Sort of like Jigsaw who is always creating different methods to torture someone. It's a game to them which can be scarier. They never want to stop and always wants their victim to be in total fear before they are killed.

[cfr1970]

Originally Posted by Christopher

I never knew this until cfr recently pointed out, the last Halloween movie got rid of the sibling relationship between Michael and Laurie. After reading some reviews, it appears John Carpenter regretted making them siblings in part 2 of Halloween and wanted to rewrite that. I think it's dumb because why is Michael after Laurie now if they're not brother and sister? 40 years later and he wants to kill a retired babysitter that's pushing 60

When I read about that, it really pissed me off because they basically erased the whole central point of the series by doing that. But the anger didn't last long before I said F it and just considered myself done with the series.

I mean, even back in the 80's they had Laurie "killed in a car accident" and her daughter was the object of Michael, then they brought Laurie back to life, scrapped the daughter and suddenly she had a son in H20.

THEN they had Michael kill her in the next installment, only to bring her back from the dead a second time to face off with him as a Social Security Grandmother. And like you said, why would he wait 40 years to go after a 60 something old lady who he chased for 5 minutes when she was a teen? Without that crucial family connection, it's pointless.

It just got so ludicrous and more like a daytime soap opera than a horror flick. I just can't forgive all those retcons and changes...and the incredible (and sad) part is that moviegoers continue filling theaters and lap it up like mindless kittens.

When I saw how much money that latest installment made, ($255 Million!) that's when I realized that nobody really cares about consistency and will swallow whatever Hollywood force feeds them. But I won't and will never watch that latest Halloween or the ones that come after as I refuse to have my intelligence insulted by Hollywood. I'm done.
As far as i'm concerned, Parts 1, 2, & H20 is the entire Halloween trilogy, and I will blissfully live with that ignorance.

Originally Posted by Christopher

That's the scene where I think he looks confused and not sure what to do next. He wasn't even killing anyone at the pool. He was just running around which was odd. I like dream Freddy more where he can do whatever he wants because as he says, it's his world.

I think he threw someone at the pool party but come to think of it, I don't think he killed anyone either. Maybe he doesn't have powers to kill in the real world? What surprised me most was that he could exist and be seen in the real world. It seems to me like a rule was broken there. If Freddy only appears and can kill in dreams, how can he visible to a crowd of people while they're all awake and in reality? It's a head scratcher.

Originally Posted by Christopher

I'm not going to say what movie that scene is from because I don't want to give anything away. It does go into Freddy's history though in part 5 and 6. Don't feel dumb. I love when horror movies do that though. Sleepaway Camp is a great 80's horror film that had a huge shocker at the end. If you're able to find that one, get it.

I saw Sleepaway Camp in the theater when it came out in '83. I was 13 and got into all the R rated horrors and even the raunchy "Porky's" type movies so easily. Nobody cared back then.

But that ending...woah! It totally threw me and no way did I ever expect that coming! In fact, I still recall in my memory that moment when it was revealed and how shocked I was sitting there!

Originally Posted by Christopher

I understand getting all the movies and shows you can while they're available. I just read an episode of The Golden Girls is getting removed because mud masks looked like they were doing blackface. It looks like every show will be examined before people are able to see it again on TV and streaming sites.

It'll be any day now when they go after the All in the Family episode where Gloria has her baby and Archie is in blackface at the hospital...and everyone laughs at it. They're definitely going to get that one for sure.
(BTW it is a cringe inducing scene and there really is no point to have in there except to put Archie's character in blackface. I mean, if there was a point to it, I can understand...but there really isn't except to get cheap laughs and I personally don't care for it. I believe it's one time Norman Lear dropped the ball and goofed. If you see that episode, i'm curious what your take is on it. I personally could do without it and it's one of my least favorite episodes of the series.)

I have the whole series of AITF on dvd along with The Golden Girls so i'm good there. I just have to get my hands on Married with Children before they desecrate that one for being misogynistic.

Originally Posted by Christopher

Are you going to watch the new Nightmare on Elm Street? It's honestly not that good if you are. Only Robert Englund can pull off Freddy.

I'm not a fan of reboots and hadn't planned on it, but I just peeked on it's Wikipedia page in the Production section and read they wanted Freddy to stop "cracking jokes" to make him more scary, so I may give that a look out of curiosity now.

Originally Posted by Christopher

I'm glad you got Freddy vs. Jason. Since Robert is done playing Freddy, I'm glad he went out with a bang. Nothing against Wes Craven's New Nightmare, but that is one trippy movie

I'm sure I saw New Nightmare back in the 90's, but really have no memory of it without looking it up online to remember. So when I watch that, it'll be new to me again. That's one of the perks of getting older...a lot of the films you saw as a 20 something are gone from memory so they're basically new all over again.

Originally Posted by Christopher

I was a kid when I started watching Freddy and enjoying the films. I do see how Freddy can be interpreted as a funny villain. After reviewing the movies as an adult, I also see Freddy gets a lot of pleasure when killing someone. He always switches it up because it's like he needs that creativity for his kills. Sort of like Jigsaw who is always creating different methods to torture someone. It's a game to them which can be scarier. They never want to stop and always wants their victim to be in total fear before they are killed.

As long as his kills are creative, I can forgive his one liners. I still find the silent killers to be scarier though. Saw is another series I want to revisit after i'm done with Freddy and Final Destination.

I remember the first 2 films were great, but then it devolved into how gross they can kill people and I don't like gore just for the sake of it. And the tortures got really bad that even I had to stop watching it lol. I think I stopped after the 4th one. It just got too dark and gross for my taste. Even I have my limits I guess.

[Christopher]

Originally Posted by cfr1970

When I read about that, it really pissed me off because they basically erased the whole central point of the series by doing that. But the anger didn't last long before I said F it and just considered myself done with the series.

I mean, even back in the 80's they had Laurie "killed in a car accident" and her daughter was the object of Michael, then they brought Laurie back to life, scrapped the daughter and suddenly she had a son in H20.

THEN they had Michael kill her in the next installment, only to bring her back from the dead a second time to face off with him as a Social Security Grandmother. And like you said, why would he wait 40 years to go after a 60 something old lady who he chased for 5 minutes when she was a teen? Without that crucial family connection, it's pointless.

It just got so ludicrous and more like a daytime soap opera than a horror flick. I just can't forgive all those retcons and changes...and the incredible (and sad) part is that moviegoers continue filling theaters and lap it up like mindless kittens.

When I saw how much money that latest installment made, ($255 Million!) that's when I realized that nobody really cares about consistency and will swallow whatever Hollywood force feeds them. But I won't and will never watch that latest Halloween or the ones that come after as I refuse to have my intelligence insulted by Hollywood. I'm done.
As far as i'm concerned, Parts 1, 2, & H20 is the entire Halloween trilogy, and I will blissfully live with that ignorance.

This was a John Carpenter thing. From what I read, he regretted making them siblings and wanted to redo that with these new films coming out. I agree it's ridiculous that he keeps chasing a retired babysitter that's pushing 60. I think the only reason the movies keep making money is because of Jamie Lee Curtis and John Carpenter. They're big in Hollywood. Rob Zombie's movies were horrible. They didn't even make that much money compared to John's films.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I think he threw someone at the pool party but come to think of it, I don't think he killed anyone either. Maybe he doesn't have powers to kill in the real world? What surprised me most was that he could exist and be seen in the real world. It seems to me like a rule was broken there. If Freddy only appears and can kill in dreams, how can he visible to a crowd of people while they're all awake and in reality? It's a head scratcher.

Remember in part 1 Nancy brought him to the real world? It was established in that film Freddy could cross over. With part 2, I didn't care for the kills or the story.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I saw Sleepaway Camp in the theater when it came out in '83. I was 13 and got into all the R rated horrors and even the raunchy "Porky's" type movies so easily. Nobody cared back then.

But that ending...woah! It totally threw me and no way did I ever expect that coming! In fact, I still recall in my memory that moment when it was revealed and how shocked I was sitting there!

That's what I love with some horror movies. The surprise ending we didn't see coming. Saw 2 and Sleepaway Camp are the only 2 that have done that for me so far.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

It'll be any day now when they go after the All in the Family episode where Gloria has her baby and Archie is in blackface at the hospital...and everyone laughs at it. They're definitely going to get that one for sure.
(BTW it is a cringe inducing scene and there really is no point to have in there except to put Archie's character in blackface. I mean, if there was a point to it, I can understand...but there really isn't except to get cheap laughs and I personally don't care for it. I believe it's one time Norman Lear dropped the ball and goofed. If you see that episode, i'm curious what your take is on it. I personally could do without it and it's one of my least favorite episodes of the series.)

I have the whole series of AITF on dvd along with The Golden Girls so i'm good there. I just have to get my hands on Married with Children before they desecrate that one for being misogynistic.

I watched those episodes. In part 1 it was established they were going for the blackface look. I thought it made sense for Archie to have it in part 2 because at the end of part 1, Edith and Archie couldn't find anything to wipe it off. I do think they went a little far with the woman in the hospital room claiming she's going to be rape and Archie saying even black men wouldn't want to rape her. I think that's a cringeworthy scene. I'm surprise that made it pass the censors for airing, but women weren't treated as equals back then. They're rarely treated as equals today.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I'm not a fan of reboots and hadn't planned on it, but I just peeked on it's Wikipedia page in the Production section and read they wanted Freddy to stop "cracking jokes" to make him more scary, so I may give that a look out of curiosity now.

If you watch it, let me know what you think of it.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I'm sure I saw New Nightmare back in the 90's, but really have no memory of it without looking it up online to remember. So when I watch that, it'll be new to me again. That's one of the perks of getting older...a lot of the films you saw as a 20 something are gone from memory so they're basically new all over again.

I usually skip New Nightmare in my rewatch. It's an intense different take on Freddy. They brought a lot of the regulars from part 1 for the movie but it's the story that I don't think was strong enough. They should have left part 6 as the end until Freddy vs. Jason IMO. Part 6 was a good ending.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

As long as his kills are creative, I can forgive his one liners. I still find the silent killers to be scarier though. Saw is another series I want to revisit after i'm done with Freddy and Final Destination.

I remember the first 2 films were great, but then it devolved into how gross they can kill people and I don't like gore just for the sake of it. And the tortures got really bad that even I had to stop watching it lol. I think I stopped after the 4th one. It just got too dark and gross for my taste. Even I have my limits I guess.

Did you see part 4? I know the one liners bother some fans, but I laughed when he told Joey "now this is what I call a wet dream" and then drowns him in the water bed

I need to see the Saw movies after part 3. That's where I left off. I like Dina Meyer and since she's in some of the movies, I should at least see it for her.

[cfr1970]

Originally Posted by Christopher

This was a John Carpenter thing. From what I read, he regretted making them siblings and wanted to redo that with these new films coming out. I agree it's ridiculous that he keeps chasing a retired babysitter that's pushing 60. I think the only reason the movies keep making money is because of Jamie Lee Curtis and John Carpenter. They're big in Hollywood. Rob Zombie's movies were horrible. They didn't even make that much money compared to John's films.

That's funny because Laurie & Michael being siblings is the whole point of why he's chasing her. It's weird he apparently doesn't understand that.

Originally Posted by Christopher

Remember in part 1 Nancy brought him to the real world? It was established in that film Freddy could cross over. With part 2, I didn't care for the kills or the story.

There's so much I don't get in this series. Too many moments where i'm left scratching my head. So if Freddy can cross over, then it should be possible to kill him while he's in reality, no? How I see it is that he has all his powers in the dreams but while in reality, shouldn't those powers be gone and he'd be more human and able to kill?

Originally Posted by Christopher

That's what I love with some horror movies. The surprise ending we didn't see coming. Saw 2 and Sleepaway Camp are the only 2 that have done that for me so far.

I think I remember the Saw 2 ending, but not sure. It's been a long time since i've seen those films and will have to see them again after these are done. But that Sleepaway Camp ending is forever burned into my memory.

Originally Posted by Christopher

I watched those episodes. In part 1 it was established they were going for the blackface look. I thought it made sense for Archie to have it in part 2 because at the end of part 1, Edith and Archie couldn't find anything to wipe it off. I do think they went a little far with the woman in the hospital room claiming she's going to be rape and Archie saying even black men wouldn't want to rape her. I think that's a cringeworthy scene. I'm surprise that made it pass the censors for airing, but women weren't treated as equals back then. They're rarely treated as equals today.

Yeah, but even in part 1 where it was established they were putting on a blackface show for the lodge, it was a big stretch imo. By the 1970's that was long considered taboo and I just don't think that would've been acceptable to do as a show anywhere. Norman Lear just went for cheap gutter humor there and I wish they hadn't done it because it's not funny and makes Archie look stupid. Not to mention the whole thing is incredibly offensive, both to blacks and women. (though I do laugh when Archie makes that crack about not wanting to rape her.)

Originally Posted by Christopher

Did you see part 4? I know the one liners bother some fans, but I laughed when he told Joey "now this is what I call a wet dream" and then drowns him in the water bed

I watched part 4 last night and liked it. So far this is my favorite one---but again it left me scratching my head at things...for one, how did Freddy come back to life?! Because a dog peed fire on his grave?

They had already established that burying him on hallowed ground puts him to rest forever and suddenly one of the characters is pulled back to the junkyard in his dream with his dog, the dog pees fire on the grave and Freddy is miraculously put together before our very eyes. It was incredibly stupid unless I missed something important here?

None of how he came back made any sense. And another thing that confused me. Characters were just calling out names of their friends and wherever they were, they were suddenly pulled into the dream. I thought they all had to be together to do that like they did in the institution?

Now it's possible just to call a friends name and they get sucked into the nightmare too?! And when one of the students was killed in class, afterwards all the windows crashed in---shouldn't that have tipped off everyone something supernatural was going on? Yet everyone just sat there lol.

And then the ending....the girl just holds a freaking mirror at Freddy and if he sees his evil reflection that gets rid of him and all the souls he's captured are free....just from looking at himself in a mirror!! I was laughing at that because it was so dumb.

First burying his bones on hallowed ground kills him, now it's showing his face in a mirror. And now I can't wait to see how they bring him back again for the next part and how they're going to "kill" him in that ending.

And about the waterbed kill in part 4---maybe i'm just too logical and shouldn't be when I watch these kinds of films, but when the mother found him dead in the water bed, shouldn't she had been like "How the hell did he get in there in the first place?" The waterbed was still sealed so it should've been questioned how he managed to get killed in such a way? I think it would've been more effective to have the bed ripped open and the kid lying dead in the water.

But again....I know i'm being too logical.

Originally Posted by Christopher

I need to see the Saw movies after part 3. That's where I left off. I like Dina Meyer and since she's in some of the movies, I should at least see it for her.

I think I saw it up to part 4 and stopped because it was getting too dark for my taste. When I try watching again, i'll see if I can push through to see them all. Torture killing isn't my thing and those contraptions the characters wake up in are too scary for even me I guess.

[Christopher]

Originally Posted by cfr1970

That's funny because Laurie & Michael being siblings is the whole point of why he's chasing her. It's weird he apparently doesn't understand that.

I just read an article where John talks about how the new Halloween movie coming out will have the highest number of kills than any Halloween movie before. It's obvious he's going for gore and kills than the story of Michael.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

There's so much I don't get in this series. Too many moments where i'm left scratching my head. So if Freddy can cross over, then it should be possible to kill him while he's in reality, no? How I see it is that he has all his powers in the dreams but while in reality, shouldn't those powers be gone and he'd be more human and able to kill?

The victims in the dreams can pull him into reality. Once he's in reality, he doesn't have his powers anymore. That's what Nancy was trying to do in part 1, but she failed. He was able to get back into the dream world by killing her mother.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I think I remember the Saw 2 ending, but not sure. It's been a long time since i've seen those films and will have to see them again after these are done. But that Sleepaway Camp ending is forever burned into my memory.

Sleepaway Camp will always be a favorite of mine just because of the shock value at the end. I never would have guessed Angela was the brother. I love that twist. Saw 2's ending reveals Amanda was in on it with Jigsaw. I didn't see that one coming either.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I watched part 4 last night and liked it. So far this is my favorite one---but again it left me scratching my head at things...for one, how did Freddy come back to life?! Because a dog peed fire on his grave?

I interpreted Freddy coming back to life by Kristen's fears. She kept saying Freddy was coming back. I think her fears are what gave Freddy enough juice to come back. We learn in a later sequel that if no one remembers Freddy or talks about Freddy, then he vanishes. Their fear and paranoia is what fuels him.

Did you notice the dogs name btw? Jason

Originally Posted by cfr1970

None of how he came back made any sense. And another thing that confused me. Characters were just calling out names of their friends and wherever they were, they were suddenly pulled into the dream. I thought they all had to be together to do that like they did in the institution?

Kristen is able to pull anyone into her dreams. When Freddy killed her, she gave her power to Alice. Alice was then able to call people into her dreams like Kristen was.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

And when one of the students was killed in class, afterwards all the windows crashed in---shouldn't that have tipped off everyone something supernatural was going on? Yet everyone just sat there lol.

It was the 80's. People reacted differently back then

Originally Posted by cfr1970

And then the ending....the girl just holds a freaking mirror at Freddy and if he sees his evil reflection that gets rid of him and all the souls he's captured are free....just from looking at himself in a mirror!! I was laughing at that because it was so dumb.

I agree it was silly the way he was killed in this film. But the effects were cool and I like that there's always a different way each movie to kill Freddy. It's not the same each time.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

And about the waterbed kill in part 4---maybe i'm just too logical and shouldn't be when I watch these kinds of films, but when the mother found him dead in the water bed, shouldn't she had been like "How the hell did he get in there in the first place?" The waterbed was still sealed so it should've been questioned how he managed to get killed in such a way? I think it would've been more effective to have the bed ripped open and the kid lying dead in the water.

I think she was just horrified to see her son dead. And that was just a bizarre way to kill someone. Wes Craven definitely wasn't going for logic when he made the Freddy movies. He was going for scares and thrills.

Originally Posted by cfr1970

I think I saw it up to part 4 and stopped because it was getting too dark for my taste. When I try watching again, i'll see if I can push through to see them all. Torture killing isn't my thing and those contraptions the characters wake up in are too scary for even me I guess.

And that's the thing with the Saw movies. They go for gore majority of the time. I can handle gore, like the Hostel movies, but I like story to go with it so we understand what's going on. I think the Hostel movies did a good job of adding the background story for what was taking place.