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KatieAnn · 05-20-2019, 11:08 AM

I'm watching Bewitched from the very beginning, and I've found Smanatha not as likeable as I have in the past. She's beautiful and she has a lot of heart and is clearly in love with Darrin, but sometimes she is a "naughty witch," as Endora has called her.

The current episode I just watched, "Love is Blind," has Samantha going a little too far to make sure her friend, Gertrude, ends up marrying Darrin's friend, Kermit. She actually puts words in another woman's mouth to turn Kermit off of this woman, and then has the straps of the woman's dress come undone so she won't return to the table (after the woman is free of Samantha's spell).

In the episode, "Witch or Wife," she looks in through airplane windows to find Darrin and scares another passenger who sees her hovering outside a flying plane. That's quite "naughty."

Are there any times when you've questioned the things that Samantha has done?

TheLittleFaerie · 05-23-2019, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KatieAnn

I'm watching Bewitched from the very beginning, and I've found Smanatha not as likeable as I have in the past. She's beautiful and she has a lot of heart and is clearly in love with Darrin, but sometimes she is a "naughty witch," as Endora has called her.

The current episode I just watched, "Love is Blind," has Samantha going a little too far to make sure her friend, Gertrude, ends up marrying Darrin's friend, Kermit. She actually puts words in another woman's mouth to turn Kermit off of this woman, and then has the straps of the woman's dress come undone so she won't return to the table (after the woman is free of Samantha's spell).

In the episode, "Witch or Wife," she looks in through airplane windows to find Darrin and scares another passenger who sees her hovering outside a flying plane. That's quite "naughty."

to me she was always a goody 2 shoes lol

Are there any times when you've questioned the things that Samantha has done?

stevea · 05-27-2019, 08:30 PM

She really let Darrin's old girlfriend have it in episode 1, but she deserved it.

I think in time Serena became her alter ego. Good witch, bad witch.

biffbronson · 05-28-2019, 03:52 AM

That's an excellent observation regarding the alter ego. When the writers wanted to have something said or done that was less-than-nice, they were then able to ascribe the behavior over to Serena much of the time.

Although, at times Samantha was still forceful. For example, Samantha flipped the frog character over to a pond well into the Serena era. She seemed extremely sensitive at times if she perceived someone as out of line, making what may have been a pass, etc.

It was fun to watch both characters deal with aggressive male strangers. From their perspective, consider those tantalizing short skirts...!

OH Nuts! · 05-28-2019, 07:11 AM

99.999%of the time, yes. She really has a good heart.

KatieAnn · 05-28-2019, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by stevea

She really let Darrin's old girlfriend have it in episode 1, but she deserved it.

I think in time Serena became her alter ego. Good witch, bad witch.

It's great to see Samantha in that instance, trying to control herself but ultimately giving in and humiliating the embarrassingly rude ex-girlfriend. That woman was embarrassing herself, flirting with newly married Darrin in front of all her guests, belittling Samantha in the process.

Most of the time I'm fully on Samantha's side, but I think she goes too far in "Love is Blind." So far, that's really the only episode I have re-watched where I think she interferes too much when she should just let things happen with that couple.

I like the "alter ego" view but I don't think of Serena as being a "bad witch." Serena, Endora, they sometimes lack self control when provoked, and they are very easily provoked. They are fun witches who use their powers to have a good time, and only wish Samantha would go back to doing the same.

I think it's more a case of Serena being a free spirit and Samantha repressing her own once free spirited self to live that "mortal" life with Darrin.

stevea · 05-28-2019, 09:46 AM

You're right, bad witch isn't a good description for Serena. The fun loving description is a good one.

I wouldn't apply that description to Endora though. She is downright evil, IMO. There are only a few times when when a little good side shows through. One time was when Tabitha was born. And Darrin reciprocated by going along with the name Tabitha.

Think about all the horrible spells she put on Darrin. Samantha should have booted her out of their lives. Even Maurice was tame compared to her.

OH Nuts! · 05-28-2019, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by stevea

You're right, bad witch isn't a good description for Serena. The fun loving description is a good one.

I wouldn't apply that description to Endora though. She is downright evil, IMO. There are only a few times when when a little good side shows through. One time was when Tabitha was born. And Darrin reciprocated by going along with the name Tabitha.

Think about all the horrible spells she put on Darrin. Samantha should have booted her out of their lives. Even Maurice was tame compared to her.

Yep. Serens’s Not mean = just mischievous. And very funny too!

KatieAnn · 05-28-2019, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by stevea

You're right, bad witch isn't a good description for Serena. The fun loving description is a good one.

I wouldn't apply that description to Endora though. She is downright evil, IMO. There are only a few times when when a little good side shows through. One time was when Tabitha was born. And Darrin reciprocated by going along with the name Tabitha.

Think about all the horrible spells she put on Darrin. Samantha should have booted her out of their lives. Even Maurice was tame compared to her.

I see Endora as a mother who just cannot deal with her daughter choosing such a mundane life when she could have it all, and it drives her crazy.

Darrin's attitude about the use of witchcraft just serves to push Endora to do what comes naturally to her, namely cause trouble through witchcraft. I see Endora as more frustrated and angry than 'evil.'

You would think that Endora would come to accept Darrin after so many failed attempts to prove to Samantha that he could not be trusted and would not be faithful, but she never gives up trying to get Samantha to see things her way.

Endora does come to Darrin's defense, for Samantha's sake but against her own personal desire, when Maurice first learns that Darrin is a mortal and has made him disappear into a puff of smoke, but she mostly does go downhill from there.

I would have liked to have seen Endora finally accept that Darrin was a good man and the right person for Samantha.

stevea · 05-28-2019, 06:31 PM

It is a constant battle between Darrin and Endora. He could have cut her some slack, too.

TheLittleFaerie · 05-29-2019, 03:30 PM

I thought there was a time when Maurice actually tried to kill Darrin but Endora helped save him. I think Endora just like to have an on-going conflict with Darrin but was pretty harmless outside of putting a few spells on him, but I think Maurice would have ended him if pushed too far.

stevea · 05-29-2019, 03:50 PM

Some of the spells that Endora and/or Serena put on Darrin were dangerous. I don't remember which witch sent him back in time (one I kind of remember was to the time of Darrin the Terrible or some name like that), but any of those outings could have been the end of him. If any of that was Aunt Clara's doing, of course we know she didn't mean it.

Right again, Maurice was no warlock to fool around with. On the other hand, didn't he come to the rescue when the hags wanted to send Tabitha (or maybe it was Adam) to some school (or something like that) and Darrin and Samantha objected? The result was they (along with Serena and and Uncle Arthur) were "glued" in place by the hags, and Maurice saved the day.

KatieAnn · 05-29-2019, 09:42 PM

In Maurice's first episode he does "vanish" Darrin into the air, and Endora does not go along with it even though I think she'd love it if Darrin would disappear for good.

Endora frequently punishes Darrin when he challenges her, and he never seems to learn how to keep his angry opinions to himself to avoid being turned into any number of things by Endora or Serena. You'd think that after being turned into a werewolf once, that would be enough to curb Darrin's attitude, for his own sake, but he just keeps on resisting that lifestyle that Endora wants Samantha to be a part of.

But I think that Endora really just wants Samantha to see for herself that Darrin isn't right for her. She knows that if she goes too far with Darrin that Samantha would never forgive her.

Maurice isn't as much a constant in Samantha's life, but he does stop Endora from taking Tabitha away from Sam and Darrin to go to a witch school.

TheLittleFaerie · 05-30-2019, 02:53 AM

I think Endora likes to make Darrin's life miserable, but I don't think she'd really harm him seriously. If Darrin was in real trouble I think she'd probably save him and be like, "Oh, I'll hate myself for this, but VERY WELL!"

Ronny G · 08-10-2019, 07:21 PM

I mostly agree with everything Samantha does. I think the show tried to show Samantha's charitable side as well. She was always volunteering for things like the Women's Committee, or saving the park, or trick or treating for UNICEF.
I think when someone ticked her off or rubbed her the wrong way, I think she was justified for letting them have it. I remember this drunk guy kept pestering her, so eventually she conjured up a bucket of water over him.
The Love is Blind episode is a good example of her not being so nice, but it was very early in the series, and I think the character hadn't really developed.
Fergus the frog was pestering her and followed her home, so I think she was justified flipping him into the water fountain. I don't think at that point she realized he was really a frog in need of help. I think she thought he was harassing her or coming on to her. I believed he called her "Girlie".

05-20-2019, 11:08 AM	#1
KatieAnn Member Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 15, 2011 Posts: 520	Do you always agree with what Samantha does? I'm watching Bewitched from the very beginning, and I've found Smanatha not as likeable as I have in the past. She's beautiful and she has a lot of heart and is clearly in love with Darrin, but sometimes she is a "naughty witch," as Endora has called her. The current episode I just watched, "Love is Blind," has Samantha going a little too far to make sure her friend, Gertrude, ends up marrying Darrin's friend, Kermit. She actually puts words in another woman's mouth to turn Kermit off of this woman, and then has the straps of the woman's dress come undone so she won't return to the table (after the woman is free of Samantha's spell). In the episode, "Witch or Wife," she looks in through airplane windows to find Darrin and scares another passenger who sees her hovering outside a flying plane. That's quite "naughty." Are there any times when you've questioned the things that Samantha has done?

05-27-2019, 08:30 PM	#3
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,726	She really let Darrin's old girlfriend have it in episode 1, but she deserved it. I think in time Serena became her alter ego. Good witch, bad witch.

05-28-2019, 03:52 AM	#4
biffbronson Sentimental Fool Forum Star Join Date: Aug 22, 2009 Location: Near Notre Dame Posts: 10,502	That's an excellent observation regarding the alter ego. When the writers wanted to have something said or done that was less-than-nice, they were then able to ascribe the behavior over to Serena much of the time. Although, at times Samantha was still forceful. For example, Samantha flipped the frog character over to a pond well into the Serena era. She seemed extremely sensitive at times if she perceived someone as out of line, making what may have been a pass, etc. It was fun to watch both characters deal with aggressive male strangers. From their perspective, consider those tantalizing short skirts...!

05-28-2019, 07:11 AM	#5
OH Nuts! Member Forum King Join Date: Feb 15, 2005 Posts: 133,383	99.999%of the time, yes. She really has a good heart.

05-28-2019, 09:46 AM	#7
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,726	You're right, bad witch isn't a good description for Serena. The fun loving description is a good one. I wouldn't apply that description to Endora though. She is downright evil, IMO. There are only a few times when when a little good side shows through. One time was when Tabitha was born. And Darrin reciprocated by going along with the name Tabitha. Think about all the horrible spells she put on Darrin. Samantha should have booted her out of their lives. Even Maurice was tame compared to her.

05-28-2019, 06:31 PM	#10
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,726	It is a constant battle between Darrin and Endora. He could have cut her some slack, too.

05-29-2019, 03:30 PM	#11
TheLittleFaerie Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 15, 2017 Posts: 1,948	I thought there was a time when Maurice actually tried to kill Darrin but Endora helped save him. I think Endora just like to have an on-going conflict with Darrin but was pretty harmless outside of putting a few spells on him, but I think Maurice would have ended him if pushed too far.

05-29-2019, 03:50 PM	#12
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,726	Some of the spells that Endora and/or Serena put on Darrin were dangerous. I don't remember which witch sent him back in time (one I kind of remember was to the time of Darrin the Terrible or some name like that), but any of those outings could have been the end of him. If any of that was Aunt Clara's doing, of course we know she didn't mean it. Right again, Maurice was no warlock to fool around with. On the other hand, didn't he come to the rescue when the hags wanted to send Tabitha (or maybe it was Adam) to some school (or something like that) and Darrin and Samantha objected? The result was they (along with Serena and and Uncle Arthur) were "glued" in place by the hags, and Maurice saved the day.

05-29-2019, 09:42 PM	#13
KatieAnn Member Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 15, 2011 Posts: 520	In Maurice's first episode he does "vanish" Darrin into the air, and Endora does not go along with it even though I think she'd love it if Darrin would disappear for good. Endora frequently punishes Darrin when he challenges her, and he never seems to learn how to keep his angry opinions to himself to avoid being turned into any number of things by Endora or Serena. You'd think that after being turned into a werewolf once, that would be enough to curb Darrin's attitude, for his own sake, but he just keeps on resisting that lifestyle that Endora wants Samantha to be a part of. But I think that Endora really just wants Samantha to see for herself that Darrin isn't right for her. She knows that if she goes too far with Darrin that Samantha would never forgive her. Maurice isn't as much a constant in Samantha's life, but he does stop Endora from taking Tabitha away from Sam and Darrin to go to a witch school.

05-30-2019, 02:53 AM	#14
TheLittleFaerie Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 15, 2017 Posts: 1,948	I think Endora likes to make Darrin's life miserable, but I don't think she'd really harm him seriously. If Darrin was in real trouble I think she'd probably save him and be like, "Oh, I'll hate myself for this, but VERY WELL!"

08-10-2019, 07:21 PM	#15
Ronny G Member Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 14, 2001 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 540	I mostly agree with everything Samantha does. I think the show tried to show Samantha's charitable side as well. She was always volunteering for things like the Women's Committee, or saving the park, or trick or treating for UNICEF. I think when someone ticked her off or rubbed her the wrong way, I think she was justified for letting them have it. I remember this drunk guy kept pestering her, so eventually she conjured up a bucket of water over him. The Love is Blind episode is a good example of her not being so nice, but it was very early in the series, and I think the character hadn't really developed. Fergus the frog was pestering her and followed her home, so I think she was justified flipping him into the water fountain. I don't think at that point she realized he was really a frog in need of help. I think she thought he was harassing her or coming on to her. I believed he called her "Girlie".