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Chichester Crowe · 02-08-2019, 07:12 PM

"Today you call them angels and demons. Tomorrow you will call them something else." - Aleister Crowley

When I was a kid growing up in the 1980s, I flocked to Unsolved Mysteries for the UFO and Lost Treasure segments. Tales of visitors from outer space intrigued and excited my friends and I, and we would claim to see UFOs all the time.

Fast forward to 2010. I instantly realize that what we saw as kids were likely airplanes, as I behold what could only be described as a blast of light that lit up the night sky (as bright as daytime) and zoomed up and out of our atmosphere (or appeared to). This was it. I had finally seen a real UFO. Two of the three companions I was with witnessed it as well. This sent me on a fact-finding mission to try and make sense of what I saw. Was it a satellite or some other easily explainable phenomena? It was at this point that I realized that I had never actually read anything about the phenomena aside from comic books and that my perception of it was informed by media like movies and TV.

I discovered that most of the so-called Ufologists make a mockery of the scientific method. A scientist has a theory and seeks to disprove it. This is called falsifiability, and part of the process of real science. Most Ufologists have a theory and they seek to prove it. (That's not science, it's belief.) I'm speaking of course of the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis (ETH).

There are some researchers and laymen who have studied the phenomenon and have come to a much different conclusion: Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Dr. Jacques Vallee, Dr. Carl Jung, Dr. Steven E. Mack, and John Keel, just to name a few.

Dr. J. Allen Hynek developed the Close Encounters system to demarcate these experiences, and it has since been expanded:
- CE1 - Visual confirmation of a UFO from less than 500 feet.
- CE2 - Visual confirmation of a UFO from less than 500 feet that involves a physical effect on machines, organisms, and/or environment.
- CE3 - Visual confirmation of a UFO from less than 500 feet in which an animated creature (aka alien) is present.
- CE4 - A UFO event that involves human abduction and/or the manipulation of a human's conscious perception of reality.
- CE5 - A UFO event that involves direct communication between humans and aliens. For lack of a better place, I lump contactees into this category.
- CE6 - A UFO event that results in the death of humans or animals. Cattle mutilations fall into this category.
- CE7 - A UFO event that involves sexual intercourse between humans and aliens or attempts at extracting human reproductive material.

CE1 experiences have been happening since recorded history. Folks in the late 1800s saw airships and dirigibles before they were even mainstream inventions.
CE2 experiences assert that the phenomena has some tangible, physical properties, including being able to track these things on radar.
CE3 experiences have related to us a veritable encyclopaedia of alleged extraterrestrial species, ranging from the classic greys, to reptilians and "Nordics".
CE4-7 paint an even more stark and terrifying picture of reality....

Hynek and Vallee came to support the Interdimensional Hypothesis. Carl Jung maintained that there was a human psychic element involved. John Keel came to the conclusion that there was an entire taxonomy of beings that superseded our own kingdoms and phylum. Charles Fort simply said, "I think we're property. I should say we belong to something: That once upon a time, this earth was No-man's Land, that other worlds explored and colonized here, and fought among themselves for possession, but that now it's owned by something: That something owns this earth -- all others warned off."

When Contactees first started coming forward in the 20th century, they related alien messages containing dire warnings about the fate of mankind, ranging from environmental devastation and nuclear destruction. Perversely hidden in those messages were recommendations for humanity to disregard socialized religions as pure fantasy. If we are to believe these contactees, why would a species travel across the galaxy (or universe) to tell us to "chill out" with the warring of nations and reject spiritual teachings? Interestingly enough, these aliens said they came from Venus or Mars...until we had the telescopes to see there and then they claimed to be from star systems well beyond our observation.

John Keel has exposed their false prophecies, which were eerily close to actual events. Perhaps these things hail from an alternate timeline/dimension where history deviates in some places but not others.

The Cattle Mutilation phenomena has never been solved, as no one has ever been apprehended for these crimes anywhere in the U.S. Any sufficiently advanced civilization should be able to observe and retrieve samples without interfering, let alone leave evidence of their specimens behind. So ask yourself, Why would an interstellar race leave behind evidence of their experiments if they could easily obtain this information without doing so? It seems as though their primary motivation is to instill a climate of fear.

Abductees report bizarre experiences bordering on the absurd: beings and themselves passing through solid walls; seeing dead relatives; sexual intercourse and sodomy; human-alien hybrid children, etc. Dr. David Jacobs has explored this reproduction angle at length, though I have not read very much about it to be honest.

Whitely Streiber describes the alien's "space" as not being technological and pristine, like a sci-fi spaceship, but as dirty and disheveled (you can watch the film Fire in the Sky to see this depiction, as Travis Walton is dragged through garbage and rubbish). Most interestingly, these entities have been consistently reported to smell like sulfur/brimstone and rotten eggs, which are coincidentally the fragrances associated with Christian demons and Muslim Djinn. Indeed, many researchers have called poltergeist, demons, and UFOs all functions of the same phenomena.

Jacques Vallee put it best: "We are dealing with a control system" in which the phenomena "tailors itself to our ability to understand", ourselves becoming victims to a "subliminal seduction in which mankind's concepts are being re-arranged". He posited in his book Messengers of Deception, that cultural attitudes were unpredictably shifting in relation to this phenomena. Consider the testimony of Dennis Sant (Unsolved Mysteries - Hudson Valley UFOs - 5x01- 09.16.1992): "Then my son and I were just drawn underneath it. [I] felt very good about encountering a visual contact with the object. We followed the object around to the backyard, and at that point a feeling of fright came upon me. Thoughts started to flood my mind. Thoughts of the craft touching ground. Thoughts of an encounter with an alien being. Thoughts of being abducted. All types of fearful thoughts started to enter into my mind. And it seemed only to be seconds before the object started to move again, but the feelings were overwhelming. From beginning to end, the 19 to 20 minutes that I had viewed that craft, was also a time of self-examination of myself and who I was."

When we look at Rendlesham Forest, Belgium UFOs, and Hudson Valley UFOs, it's almost as if the phenomena displays a quantum mysticism: it wants, nay, needs to be seen. They aren't there unless we see them. Schroedinger's UFOs: sometimes appearing on camera, sometimes not, but plenty of tales to tell in books and on TV and movies....

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
Have you ever played with your cat using a laser pointer? The red dot is the UFO: seemingly intelligently directed, seemingly physical, yet defying physics. The cat is humanity: determined to catch and understand the "red dot". The actors wielding the laser pointer and the laser pointer itself remain unknowns in the equation.

I invite you to watch the UFO segments again, without the acetate sheet of the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis mucking up the projection. When we cast aside the hoaxes and the government-tested spy planes, we're left with genuine stories of the absurd. They are very real to the observers, yet unreal to all of us.

"We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extraterrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us." - Terrence McKenna

One final note: It was recently revealed that the U.S. government spent 22 million dollars studying UFOs in the 21st century. The result? They are no longer called Unidentified Flying Objects; they are called Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. How you take that is up to you.

Corkys-Place · 02-14-2019, 04:42 AM

Speaking of Alien's, what or who is that in your Avatar? Creepy whatever it is.

James T · 02-14-2019, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Corkys-Place

Speaking of Alien's, what or who is that in your Avatar? Creepy whatever it is.

https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com...Bill_Henderson

Chichester Crowe · 02-14-2019, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Corkys-Place

Speaking of Alien's, what or who is that in your Avatar? Creepy whatever it is.

UM always had the creepiest police sketches and for some reason this one embodied the ultimate prime evil to me. Equally creepy are the sketches for the Michaela Garecht and Beverly McGowan cases.

02-08-2019, 07:12 PM	#1
Chichester Crowe You el sickos will pay. Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 04, 2019 Posts: 166	From UFOs to UAPs: The Messengers of Deception "Today you call them angels and demons. Tomorrow you will call them something else." - Aleister Crowley When I was a kid growing up in the 1980s, I flocked to Unsolved Mysteries for the UFO and Lost Treasure segments. Tales of visitors from outer space intrigued and excited my friends and I, and we would claim to see UFOs all the time. Fast forward to 2010. I instantly realize that what we saw as kids were likely airplanes, as I behold what could only be described as a blast of light that lit up the night sky (as bright as daytime) and zoomed up and out of our atmosphere (or appeared to). This was it. I had finally seen a real UFO. Two of the three companions I was with witnessed it as well. This sent me on a fact-finding mission to try and make sense of what I saw. Was it a satellite or some other easily explainable phenomena? It was at this point that I realized that I had never actually read anything about the phenomena aside from comic books and that my perception of it was informed by media like movies and TV. I discovered that most of the so-called Ufologists make a mockery of the scientific method. A scientist has a theory and seeks to disprove it. This is called falsifiability, and part of the process of real science. Most Ufologists have a theory and they seek to prove it. (That's not science, it's belief.) I'm speaking of course of the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis (ETH). There are some researchers and laymen who have studied the phenomenon and have come to a much different conclusion: Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Dr. Jacques Vallee, Dr. Carl Jung, Dr. Steven E. Mack, and John Keel, just to name a few. Dr. J. Allen Hynek developed the Close Encounters system to demarcate these experiences, and it has since been expanded: - CE1 - Visual confirmation of a UFO from less than 500 feet. - CE2 - Visual confirmation of a UFO from less than 500 feet that involves a physical effect on machines, organisms, and/or environment. - CE3 - Visual confirmation of a UFO from less than 500 feet in which an animated creature (aka alien) is present. - CE4 - A UFO event that involves human abduction and/or the manipulation of a human's conscious perception of reality. - CE5 - A UFO event that involves direct communication between humans and aliens. For lack of a better place, I lump contactees into this category. - CE6 - A UFO event that results in the death of humans or animals. Cattle mutilations fall into this category. - CE7 - A UFO event that involves sexual intercourse between humans and aliens or attempts at extracting human reproductive material. CE1 experiences have been happening since recorded history. Folks in the late 1800s saw airships and dirigibles before they were even mainstream inventions. CE2 experiences assert that the phenomena has some tangible, physical properties, including being able to track these things on radar. CE3 experiences have related to us a veritable encyclopaedia of alleged extraterrestrial species, ranging from the classic greys, to reptilians and "Nordics". CE4-7 paint an even more stark and terrifying picture of reality.... Hynek and Vallee came to support the Interdimensional Hypothesis. Carl Jung maintained that there was a human psychic element involved. John Keel came to the conclusion that there was an entire taxonomy of beings that superseded our own kingdoms and phylum. Charles Fort simply said, "I think we're property. I should say we belong to something: That once upon a time, this earth was No-man's Land, that other worlds explored and colonized here, and fought among themselves for possession, but that now it's owned by something: That something owns this earth -- all others warned off." When Contactees first started coming forward in the 20th century, they related alien messages containing dire warnings about the fate of mankind, ranging from environmental devastation and nuclear destruction. Perversely hidden in those messages were recommendations for humanity to disregard socialized religions as pure fantasy. If we are to believe these contactees, why would a species travel across the galaxy (or universe) to tell us to "chill out" with the warring of nations and reject spiritual teachings? Interestingly enough, these aliens said they came from Venus or Mars...until we had the telescopes to see there and then they claimed to be from star systems well beyond our observation. John Keel has exposed their false prophecies, which were eerily close to actual events. Perhaps these things hail from an alternate timeline/dimension where history deviates in some places but not others. The Cattle Mutilation phenomena has never been solved, as no one has ever been apprehended for these crimes anywhere in the U.S. Any sufficiently advanced civilization should be able to observe and retrieve samples without interfering, let alone leave evidence of their specimens behind. So ask yourself, Why would an interstellar race leave behind evidence of their experiments if they could easily obtain this information without doing so? It seems as though their primary motivation is to instill a climate of fear. Abductees report bizarre experiences bordering on the absurd: beings and themselves passing through solid walls; seeing dead relatives; sexual intercourse and sodomy; human-alien hybrid children, etc. Dr. David Jacobs has explored this reproduction angle at length, though I have not read very much about it to be honest. Whitely Streiber describes the alien's "space" as not being technological and pristine, like a sci-fi spaceship, but as dirty and disheveled (you can watch the film Fire in the Sky to see this depiction, as Travis Walton is dragged through garbage and rubbish). Most interestingly, these entities have been consistently reported to smell like sulfur/brimstone and rotten eggs, which are coincidentally the fragrances associated with Christian demons and Muslim Djinn. Indeed, many researchers have called poltergeist, demons, and UFOs all functions of the same phenomena. Jacques Vallee put it best: "We are dealing with a control system" in which the phenomena "tailors itself to our ability to understand", ourselves becoming victims to a "subliminal seduction in which mankind's concepts are being re-arranged". He posited in his book Messengers of Deception, that cultural attitudes were unpredictably shifting in relation to this phenomena. Consider the testimony of Dennis Sant (Unsolved Mysteries - Hudson Valley UFOs - 5x01- 09.16.1992): "Then my son and I were just drawn underneath it. [I] felt very good about encountering a visual contact with the object. We followed the object around to the backyard, and at that point a feeling of fright came upon me. Thoughts started to flood my mind. Thoughts of the craft touching ground. Thoughts of an encounter with an alien being. Thoughts of being abducted. All types of fearful thoughts started to enter into my mind. And it seemed only to be seconds before the object started to move again, but the feelings were overwhelming. From beginning to end, the 19 to 20 minutes that I had viewed that craft, was also a time of self-examination of myself and who I was." When we look at Rendlesham Forest, Belgium UFOs, and Hudson Valley UFOs, it's almost as if the phenomena displays a quantum mysticism: it wants, nay, needs to be seen. They aren't there unless we see them. Schroedinger's UFOs: sometimes appearing on camera, sometimes not, but plenty of tales to tell in books and on TV and movies.... "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke Have you ever played with your cat using a laser pointer? The red dot is the UFO: seemingly intelligently directed, seemingly physical, yet defying physics. The cat is humanity: determined to catch and understand the "red dot". The actors wielding the laser pointer and the laser pointer itself remain unknowns in the equation. I invite you to watch the UFO segments again, without the acetate sheet of the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis mucking up the projection. When we cast aside the hoaxes and the government-tested spy planes, we're left with genuine stories of the absurd. They are very real to the observers, yet unreal to all of us. "We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extraterrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us." - Terrence McKenna One final note: It was recently revealed that the U.S. government spent 22 million dollars studying UFOs in the 21st century. The result? They are no longer called Unidentified Flying Objects; they are called Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. How you take that is up to you.
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02-14-2019, 04:42 AM	#2
Corkys-Place Unsolved Mysteries Fan Forum Regular Join Date: Feb 23, 2010 Posts: 790	Speaking of Alien's, what or who is that in your Avatar? Creepy whatever it is.