Possible Edits in season 3 episodes (cont'd. from That Girl Thread) - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

stevea · 09-19-2018, 10:58 PM

I viewed School Sweater on the DVD set, and I agree with you, the opening scene (IMO) is edited (the episode is definitely short at 25:19). I think the edit is between where Wally says (re the basketball game) A little over two minutes, and Well, I'm kinda tired. The scene itself seems unnaturally short. There definitely could have been a short conversation about the gopher.

The rest of the episode seems very clean, with natural dissolves that seem to be original. The episode flows, and isn't choppy.

I compared the scene to a TV Land version, and of course they're the same. The TV Land episode is heavily edited--timed at 20:21. I think I saw one of their dissolve edits, where they go from the end of the kitchen scene, to Wally and Eddie in the hall at school, joined in progress.

I forgot they make the claims about remastering from original film elements on the back of the DVDs, too. I really find it hard to believe.

1960'sTVfan · 09-19-2018, 11:25 PM

So we agree about the possible edit in the beginning of the School Sweater episode, very good.

You mentioned having jittery video during the opening credits, my season 3 set does the same thing. During the opening credits when the camera scans across the boys room, the video gets jittery and it's annoying, tough on the eyes and difficult to watch.

"Tire Trouble" is one of the 3rd season episodes on the DVD's that runs only about 25 minutes. There are a few other 3rd season episodes also with this shorter 25 minute run time. I have watched "Tire Trouble" but haven't noticed anything unusual where something might be edited. Have you watched this episode lately?

stevea · 09-19-2018, 11:39 PM

No, but I intend to.

It's interesting that everyone raves about this set, yet I've never been that impressed by it. The most annoying thing is this jittery video. The thing that made me suspect it was my set, is the fact that it's not jittery on MeTV. Of course, they can use other sources and edit them in.

On the other hand, it is a nice collection, and the episodes are close to complete. On the back of the S3 DVD, they do call it "The Complete Third Season." I just don't think it quite lives up to the hype.

Years ago channel 40 here ran LITB for a long time, and it probably came from Universal unedited. I have all of season 1 on VHS. Now I regret not going on and getting season 3. It's probably from there that I remember the missing line from June's Birthday.

1960'sTVfan · 09-20-2018, 12:08 AM

I also question Shout Factory's claim about remastering using original film elements. If that were the case, I don't think we'd be talking about edits in episodes. These little snippets of dialog that seem to be edited out, as in June's Birthday and School Sweater, it puzzles me as to why this would happen, why remove a line of dialog here and there, it doesn't make sense.

But I will say this, season 3 seems to be the most problematic as far as possible edits in episodes. The other seasons are better in this regard and the run times are more consistent, unlike season 3 where the run times vary between 25 and 26 minutes.

1960'sTVfan · 09-20-2018, 01:12 PM

I took another look at the "Tire Trouble" episode, if there's an edit it's probably early on in the episode, it seems to me that there should be a scene with Wally and Beaver in the garage working on their Chinchilla cage, then maybe Eddie Haskell comes along and tells them how expensive Chinchilla's are, so they give up on the idea.

I say this because later in the episode, Ward asks Wally and Beaver what they were doing in the garage, Beaver says that they had started building a Chinchilla cage, then Wally says that Eddie said Chinchilla's cost two or three hundred dollars so they gave up on the idea.

If there's an edit in this episode, I'd say it occurs between the 3 and 4 minute mark when Ward comes home from work for the first time and finds the garage in a mess. The edit could also be at around the 5 and a half minute mark when Ward comes home and discovers the garage still in a mess.

Svenfan1234 · 09-20-2018, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by retroTVfan4ever

I took another look at the "Tire Trouble" episode, if there's an edit it's probably early on in the episode, it seems to me that there should be a scene with Wally and Beaver in the garage working on their Chinchilla cage, then maybe Eddie Haskell comes along and tells them how expensive Chinchilla's are, so they give up on the idea.

I say this because later in the episode, Ward asks Wally and Beaver what they were doing in the garage, Wally says that they had started building a Chinchilla cage but Eddie said that they cost two or three hundred dollars so they gave up on the idea.

If there's an edit in this episode, I'd say it occurs between the 3 and 4 minute mark when Ward comes home from work for the first time and finds the garage in a mess.

I highly doubt that's an edit. When I first saw the series on Netflix which the episodes were directly from Universal themselves, there was no such scene and often things happened in LITB where they were just mentioned and not actually shown. There were several episodes where they said Eddie said something, but that they didn't show Eddie doing it. To me, it sounds like that's not an edit.

1960'sTVfan · 09-20-2018, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Svenfan1234

I highly doubt that's an edit. When I first saw the series on Netflix which the episodes were directly from Universal themselves, there was no such scene and often things happened in LITB where they were just mentioned and not actually shown. To me, it sounds like that's not an edit.

Right now I'm just speculating, at this time I don't know if the episode is edited or not, but it wouldn't surprise me if information comes out confirming that it's edited. "Tire Trouble" is one of the shorter season 3 episodes, running about 24:55 on the DVD, which gives me reason to be skeptical.

1960'sTVfan · 09-20-2018, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Svenfan1234

There were several episodes where they said Eddie said something, but that they didn't show Eddie doing it.

That might be true, but it didn't happen this way EVERY time.

Svenfan1234 · 09-20-2018, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by retroTVfan4ever

That might be true, but it didn't happen this way EVERY time.

Not every time, but a lot of the time it happened that way.

stevea · 09-20-2018, 02:30 PM

I looked at the episode. At 3:54 Ward has pulled into the driveway, and opens the garage door. He sees the mess, and does a slow boil. He yells for the boys. There's a picture sweep, and then he's in the kitchen, saying, Look, boys. I think some dialog is cut before that.

Later June is vacuuming, and answers the door--it's Eddie. They chat a little, and she says the boys are at the garage. At 10:58, there's a scene change to that, and the music changes (that kind of choppiness is a clue it's edited, to me). I think a scene is edited out there--maybe there was another scene with Fred and Ward at the office, and then it went back to Eddie joining the boys.

If you get a chance, check it out and let me know what you think.

It could have been done that way in the original production, but I doubt it. Something has to account for the 24:56 episode length--a missing minute.

stevea · 09-20-2018, 02:34 PM

I see Beaver's Tree runs 24:58--something's probably wrong there, too.

Beaver's Fortune runs 24:58, also. Beaver Makes A Loan, same. Beaver the Magician, 25:17.

1960'sTVfan · 09-20-2018, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by stevea

I see Beaver's Tree runs 24:58--something's probably wrong there, too.

Beaver's Fortune runs 24:58, also. Beaver Makes A Loan, same. Beaver the Magician, 25:17.

Yes, I suppose it's possible that some of these shorter than usual season 3 episodes are uncut and just run a little short, but having said that I'm skeptical of all of them and suspect they might be edited.

1960'sTVfan · 09-20-2018, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stevea

I looked at the episode. At 3:54 Ward has pulled into the driveway, and opens the garage door. He sees the mess, and does a slow boil. He yells for the boys. There's a picture sweep, and then he's in the kitchen, saying, Look, boys. I think some dialog is cut before that.

Later June is vacuuming, and answers the door--it's Eddie. They chat a little, and she says the boys are at the garage. At 10:58, there's a scene change to that, and the music changes (that kind of choppiness is a clue it's edited, to me). I think a scene is edited out there--maybe there was another scene with Fred and Ward at the office, and then it went back to Eddie joining the boys.

If you get a chance, check it out and let me know what you think.

It could have been done that way in the original production, but I doubt it. Something has to account for the 24:56 episode length--a missing minute.

I agree with what you say about the 3:54 mark, it does appear like something was edited there, seems like Ward was talking to June before he started talking to the boys, maybe his conversation with June was edited out.

To me, it looks like any edits to the episode would be within the first five minutes or so, the rest of it looks OK. But I'll check the episode again later and give it another look.

stevea · 09-20-2018, 03:50 PM

Kind of off the subject, but I noticed in Tire Trouble, when the boys were chasing the tire, they went past Bentley Gregg's Bachelor Father house (another house that's on the Revue lot).

1960'sTVfan · 09-20-2018, 09:23 PM

I took another look at the "Tire Trouble" episode. Aside from the possible edit at around the 3:55 mark, the rest seems uncut, but I still wonder if maybe there's a deleted scene with Wally and Beaver in the garage working on the Chinchilla cage. It's also possible that no such scene was filmed.

I also watched "Beaver Makes A Loan". The one place I noticed where there might be an edit is right around the 3 minute mark, where the scene cuts to Larry returning from the school store and Beaver impatiently waiting for him in the hallway. Aside from that, the rest of the episode appears to be uncut.

09-19-2018, 10:58 PM	#1
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,764	Possible Edits in season 3 episodes (cont'd. from That Girl Thread) I viewed School Sweater on the DVD set, and I agree with you, the opening scene (IMO) is edited (the episode is definitely short at 25:19). I think the edit is between where Wally says (re the basketball game) A little over two minutes, and Well, I'm kinda tired. The scene itself seems unnaturally short. There definitely could have been a short conversation about the gopher. The rest of the episode seems very clean, with natural dissolves that seem to be original. The episode flows, and isn't choppy. I compared the scene to a TV Land version, and of course they're the same. The TV Land episode is heavily edited--timed at 20:21. I think I saw one of their dissolve edits, where they go from the end of the kitchen scene, to Wally and Eddie in the hall at school, joined in progress. I forgot they make the claims about remastering from original film elements on the back of the DVDs, too. I really find it hard to believe.
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09-19-2018, 11:25 PM	#2
1960'sTVfan Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 30, 2009 Posts: 6,113	So we agree about the possible edit in the beginning of the School Sweater episode, very good. You mentioned having jittery video during the opening credits, my season 3 set does the same thing. During the opening credits when the camera scans across the boys room, the video gets jittery and it's annoying, tough on the eyes and difficult to watch. "Tire Trouble" is one of the 3rd season episodes on the DVD's that runs only about 25 minutes. There are a few other 3rd season episodes also with this shorter 25 minute run time. I have watched "Tire Trouble" but haven't noticed anything unusual where something might be edited. Have you watched this episode lately?

09-19-2018, 11:39 PM	#3
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,764	No, but I intend to. It's interesting that everyone raves about this set, yet I've never been that impressed by it. The most annoying thing is this jittery video. The thing that made me suspect it was my set, is the fact that it's not jittery on MeTV. Of course, they can use other sources and edit them in. On the other hand, it is a nice collection, and the episodes are close to complete. On the back of the S3 DVD, they do call it "The Complete Third Season." I just don't think it quite lives up to the hype. Years ago channel 40 here ran LITB for a long time, and it probably came from Universal unedited. I have all of season 1 on VHS. Now I regret not going on and getting season 3. It's probably from there that I remember the missing line from June's Birthday.

09-20-2018, 12:08 AM	#4
1960'sTVfan Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 30, 2009 Posts: 6,113	I also question Shout Factory's claim about remastering using original film elements. If that were the case, I don't think we'd be talking about edits in episodes. These little snippets of dialog that seem to be edited out, as in June's Birthday and School Sweater, it puzzles me as to why this would happen, why remove a line of dialog here and there, it doesn't make sense. But I will say this, season 3 seems to be the most problematic as far as possible edits in episodes. The other seasons are better in this regard and the run times are more consistent, unlike season 3 where the run times vary between 25 and 26 minutes.

09-20-2018, 01:12 PM	#5
1960'sTVfan Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 30, 2009 Posts: 6,113	I took another look at the "Tire Trouble" episode, if there's an edit it's probably early on in the episode, it seems to me that there should be a scene with Wally and Beaver in the garage working on their Chinchilla cage, then maybe Eddie Haskell comes along and tells them how expensive Chinchilla's are, so they give up on the idea. I say this because later in the episode, Ward asks Wally and Beaver what they were doing in the garage, Beaver says that they had started building a Chinchilla cage, then Wally says that Eddie said Chinchilla's cost two or three hundred dollars so they gave up on the idea. If there's an edit in this episode, I'd say it occurs between the 3 and 4 minute mark when Ward comes home from work for the first time and finds the garage in a mess. The edit could also be at around the 5 and a half minute mark when Ward comes home and discovers the garage still in a mess.

09-20-2018, 02:30 PM	#10
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,764	I looked at the episode. At 3:54 Ward has pulled into the driveway, and opens the garage door. He sees the mess, and does a slow boil. He yells for the boys. There's a picture sweep, and then he's in the kitchen, saying, Look, boys. I think some dialog is cut before that. Later June is vacuuming, and answers the door--it's Eddie. They chat a little, and she says the boys are at the garage. At 10:58, there's a scene change to that, and the music changes (that kind of choppiness is a clue it's edited, to me). I think a scene is edited out there--maybe there was another scene with Fred and Ward at the office, and then it went back to Eddie joining the boys. If you get a chance, check it out and let me know what you think. It could have been done that way in the original production, but I doubt it. Something has to account for the 24:56 episode length--a missing minute.

09-20-2018, 02:34 PM	#11
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,764	I see Beaver's Tree runs 24:58--something's probably wrong there, too. Beaver's Fortune runs 24:58, also. Beaver Makes A Loan, same. Beaver the Magician, 25:17.

09-20-2018, 03:50 PM	#14
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,764	Kind of off the subject, but I noticed in Tire Trouble, when the boys were chasing the tire, they went past Bentley Gregg's Bachelor Father house (another house that's on the Revue lot).

09-20-2018, 09:23 PM	#15
1960'sTVfan Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 30, 2009 Posts: 6,113	I took another look at the "Tire Trouble" episode. Aside from the possible edit at around the 3:55 mark, the rest seems uncut, but I still wonder if maybe there's a deleted scene with Wally and Beaver in the garage working on the Chinchilla cage. It's also possible that no such scene was filmed. I also watched "Beaver Makes A Loan". The one place I noticed where there might be an edit is right around the 3 minute mark, where the scene cuts to Larry returning from the school store and Beaver impatiently waiting for him in the hallway. Aside from that, the rest of the episode appears to be uncut.