Adam Walsh's Murderer FINALLY Confirmed - Police Close Books

[wiseguy182]

Another tidbit was that when John and Reve left Florida for New York City, John got a call in his hotel room at 3 a.m. the day of their Good Morning America appearance from a friend back home asking for Adam's dental records because they found a skull. The friend reassured John it wouldn't be Adam because "who decapitates a child?" John and Reve did the show and had high hopes and expected Adam would be returned to them. The same friend had the unenviable task of calling them at lunchtime with the news that the skull belonged to Adam. John trashed the hotel room so bad they had to give him a shot of something to calm him down.

[Nickolas086]

Originally Posted by elg0rd0

The biggest damning piece of evidence against Dahmer is the decapitation of Adam's head. Jeff decapitated all of his victims in Milwaukee. Dahmer had lived a strange life, I won't go into to much detail but I will say this. Jeffrey was investigated for a series of murders in Germany when he was in the Army. Apparently he showed up at the gates to the barracks in bloody clothes which were never recovered.

As for Lucas. Only time I hear his name come up in the case is when O'Toole confessed to the murders. I've never seen Lucas as a viable suspect, but I will say this. Lucas and O'Toole shared a lot of stories together and it would not surprise me if O'Toole tried to take the credit for Adam's murder if Lucas had spilled some of the more lesser known details of the case.

In my opinion I think Jon and law enforcement wanted it so bad to be O'Toole they tried to point every single piece of circumstantial evidence against O'Toole. Even with all the evidence against Dahmer, Jon for some reason was never convinced that Dahmer could have had a hand in the murder.

Jeffery Dahmer was more interested in teenage boys and young men in their twenties not children. Most of his victims were young men, so it's easy to rule out Dahmer didn't do it.

[Laura77]

Originally Posted by Nickolas086

Jeffery Dahmer was more interested in teenage boys and young men in their twenties not children. Most of his victims were young men, so it's easy to rule out Dahmer didn't do it.

I don't think Dahmer was guilty of Adam's murder, killing kids was not his MO. I believe Otis O'Toole is guilty of the murder by the evidence, not so much his confession, because he often confessed to murders he did not commit. I think he may have killed Eva De Breuhl in 1977, too.

[James T]

What evidence? This was nothing more than a now powerful celebrity who believed Toole did it from day one & wasn't interested in any other outcome putting pressure on the force to close the case & got his way.

There was zero physical evidence, nothing new came from the report this was based on-which the chief later pretty much laughed at saying the guy was a nuisance etc under oath.

Toole confessed to hundreds of crimes he never did because he was in other parts of the country at the time, in this case as in many others involving him & Lucas officers fed him details, he said him & Lucas did it together at one point-although Lucas was in jail at the time.

He said he was driving around with the head for days because he forgot it was there? Yeah sure-it must be easy to forget you have the severed head of a child in your vehicle-considering it was summer in Florida I would imagine the stench of a severed body part would have been unbearable, unless maybe he killed so many people & left them in there that was normal to him. Not very likely behaviour for a criminal though in case the cops pull you over, or you park your car & somebody wonders why you have a head on display.

An unverified deathbed confession to his niece as told to Walsh? Great evidence. Not that deathbed confessions to anybody mean much-especially coming from somebody who would confess to any crime going.

http://www.floridabulldog.org/2011/0...ed-adam-walsh/

[Laura77]

Originally Posted by James T

What evidence? This was nothing more than a now powerful celebrity who believed Toole did it from day one & wasn't interested in any other outcome putting pressure on the force to close the case & got his way.

There was zero physical evidence, nothing new came from the report this was based on-which the chief later pretty much laughed at saying the guy was a nuisance etc under oath.

Toole confessed to hundreds of crimes he never did because he was in other parts of the country at the time, in this case as in many others involving him & Lucas officers fed him details, he said him & Lucas did it together at one point-although Lucas was in jail at the time.

He said he was driving around with the head for days because he forgot it was there? Yeah sure-it must be easy to forget you have the severed head of a child in your vehicle-considering it was summer in Florida I would imagine the stench of a severed body part would have been unbearable, unless maybe he killed so many people & left them in there that was normal to him. Not very likely behaviour for a criminal though in case the cops pull you over, or you park your car & somebody wonders why you have a head on display.

An unverified deathbed confession to his niece as told to Walsh? Great evidence. Not that deathbed confessions to anybody mean much-especially coming from somebody who would confess to any crime going.

http://www.floridabulldog.org/2011/0...ed-adam-walsh/

Adam's head was outlined in luminal on the floor mats of O'Toole's car. Witnesses at the Sears store where Adam disappeared, identified O'Toole as being there that day. The machete believed to be the one to dismember the body was found. I agree, not much at all for evidence. As for the head in the car in the Florida heat, well, O'Toole wasn't going to win the College Bowl anytime soon. Maybe he confessesed and wrote the letter to John Walsh in an attempt to extort some money.

[James T]

Originally Posted by Laura77

Adam's head was outlined in luminal on the floor mats of O'Toole's car. Witnesses at the Sears store where Adam disappeared, identified O'Toole as being there that day. The machete believed to be the one to dismember the body was found. I agree, not much at all for evidence. As for the head in the car in the Florida heat, well, O'Toole wasn't going to win the College Bowl anytime soon. Maybe he confessesed and wrote the letter to John Walsh in an attempt to extort some money.

1. Nope-the investigator said that is what he sees. Seeing the photo it is hardly clear. Can Luminol even show a face? I have never heard of this in any other case. Like photos of ghosts & UFO'S, is Jaz Amy Bradley etc it isn't evidence, just perception.

2. We all know the reliability of eyewitness testimony. Cops name a suspect & plaster his face in the media & suddenly everybody in the world remembers seeing him that day, go to the store & wave the persons photo in peoples faces & they often feel compelled to help catch the murderer & start retrofitting. Most shops are incredibly busy-the chances of store clerks or people remembering some random person is unlikely & unsafe. Now if somebody had thought the person suspicious & took down a number plate, taken a photo etc.

3. Was the machete ever matched? Were there human blood traces on it? What did the tests show? Considering he was never charged it seems not. The link I provided says this-

The FDLE has said “an insufficient amount of blood” was found in Toole’s car to test for DNA. So there’s no proof that the head that Matthews sees is Adam’s. That Luminol-outline could be someone else’s head, given that Toole confessed to more than 100 murders.

Additionally, FDLE separately tested hairs found in Toole’s car and compared them to hair samples taken from the found head declared to be Adam. They did not match.

Matthews also writes that Toole told police “crime scene details only the killer could have known.” But that wasn’t the opinion of the Hollywood detectives who actually interviewed him.

Transcripts of those interviews show that everything Toole “knew” came from what those detectives had told or showed him – in hopes it would prompt him to recall something new or true in the case.

The result? Toole never gave them anything valuable that could be confirmed.

Toole went as far to say that his partner Henry Lee Lucas, also a convicted murder who he travelled with, had actually killed the child – but a quick check proved that Lucas was in jail in Maryland on the day Adam was taken. Toole then “confessed” to the killing.

4. Sure the guy had problems but come on-how bad is your vehicle going to reek in the middle of a Florida summer with a body part sitting there? How could you forget it when you are smelling it whenever you get into the car? You would have to have all your windows open so the stench would be pouring out wherever you went, nobody noticed a human head in the back of his car for days? Why would you dispose of the rest of the body, yet keep the head as some kind of important trophy & then just forget about it?

5. Murderers often get off on taunting their victims families & even other victims who they had nothing to do with. Some people enjoy confessing to crimes-him & Lucas were confessing to pretty much every unsolved crime the cops asked them about, even when they were in other states or incarcerated.

[Laura77]

1. No, the luminol showed the outline of a head. When compared to Adam, it seemed to be a match. Photos are in the book, Bringing Adam Home.
2. O'Toole was pretty scary looking, if you seen him, you'd likely have his face burned in your memory. He wasn't someone who blended in with a crowd. He had approached a little girl in the store earlier that day, her mother scared him off.
3. No, the machete was never positively identified as the murder weapon, but did contain blood traces. If these were conclusive with Adam, I don't know.
4. I agree, any body part would reek in a hot vehicle. Then again, Calcutta in July would probably smell better than O' Toole himself. Why he hung on to the head for awhile is anybody's guess. Maybe Edmund Kemper would know!
5. Yes, the pair of them confessed to many crimes that they probably did not commit. Probably didn't confess to some they did commit. We also don't know if they knew specific details about Adam's murder that were never released to the media. O' Toole also had an IQ that hovered around the 80 mark at best. Law enforcement/justice department doesn't tell the public everything. There is a lot more to this case that the public is not privy to.

[James T]

Originally Posted by Laura77

1. No, the luminol showed the outline of a head. When compared to Adam, it seemed to be a match. Photos are in the book, Bringing Adam Home.
2. O'Toole was pretty scary looking, if you seen him, you'd likely have his face burned in your memory. He wasn't someone who blended in with a crowd. He had approached a little girl in the store earlier that day, her mother scared him off.
3. No, the machete was never positively identified as the murder weapon, but did contain blood traces. If these were conclusive with Adam, I don't know.
4. I agree, any body part would reek in a hot vehicle. Then again, Calcutta in July would probably smell better than O' Toole himself. Why he hung on to the head for awhile is anybody's guess. Maybe Edmund Kemper would know!
5. Yes, the pair of them confessed to many crimes that they probably did not commit. Probably didn't confess to some they did commit. We also don't know if they knew specific details about Adam's murder that were never released to the media. O' Toole also had an IQ that hovered around the 80 mark at best. Law enforcement/justice department doesn't tell the public everything. There is a lot more to this case that the public is not privy to.

1. They are online as well-somebody else who thinks Dahlmer did it thinks it looks like a footprint. My dad used to think he saw alien faces on walls, to me I could see nothing or sometimes it could be a rabbit or whatever, my brother would see something different as well. Again it isn't evidence but just an opinion.

2. From searching what limited info is out there it appears that this girl & her mother came forward after his image had been splashed all over the media & were inconsistent on what day it happened & the description of his vehicle. There are plenty of odd looking people around that you might want to avoid.

3. We don't even know if they were human blood traces or animal. It is just as relevant as this-In May 1995, a series of articles in an Alabama newspaper posited a new theory: A family friend named Michael Monahan could have murdered Adam as a favor for buddy Jim Campbell, the spurned lover of Revé Walsh.

There was no evidence tying Monahan to the crime, just an odd coincidence: Three days after the Adam Walsh abduction, Monahan had slashed through a door with a machete in Oakland Park in a dispute over a skateboard.

Monahan, speaking publicly about the incident for the first time, said the allegations are nonsense.

``If you really do your homework, if you're serious about finding out the truth, you'll realize I have nothing to do with this case,'' Monahan said.

Police, prompted by the news reports, tested the machete from the skateboard incident. Results were inconclusive.

4. Doesn't really address how it would go unnoticed though, or why police were unable to locate the remains where he said they would be, or why he was unable to tell them what clothing Adam was wearing or what his hair was like-which surely if you are carrying their head around for days you would recall.

5. The cops told him things about the case which he then repeated, cops did this with him & Lucas repeatedly in an attempt to get unsolved crimes off of their books-however when they cannot recall information they haven't been fed, are found to be elsewhere in the country at the time etc it means they are lying.

[Laura77]

It took a psychopath to do what was done to Adam. My gut feeling is O'Toole is responsible, but it is interesting as always to read other opinions. The case is closed. LE and the Walsh's must have had their reasons far beyond what I brought up. May Adam rest in peace, and the perp burn in Hell.

[James T]

Agree 100% & it could be Toole, although I find it unlikely based on all the points I have made here. I am just uneasy that they could never have taken this to a court & got a conviction if he was still alive, yet are happy to just say it is him & case closed because he is deceased.

Although it is incredibly unlikely the case could ever be solved-in large part due to the incompetence of the police to lose a car, a potential murder weapon & a potential piece of upholstery that could hold clues I still find it worrying that potentially a murderer could still be out there & the case is closed.

[Laura77]

Originally Posted by James T

Agree 100% & it could be Toole, although I find it unlikely based on all the points I have made here. I am just uneasy that they could never have taken this to a court & got a conviction if he was still alive, yet are happy to just say it is him & case closed because he is deceased.

Although it is incredibly unlikely the case could ever be solved-in large part due to the incompetence of the police to lose a car, a potential murder weapon & a potential piece of upholstery that could hold clues I still find it worrying that potentially a murderer could still be out there & the case is closed.

Yes, I agree. Losing a car especially disturbs me!