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Phanekim · 11-24-2013, 07:26 PM

There are a few certainties behind this. Their trooper left at 7:47pm. Last phone call was to Chase Merritt at 8:28pm which lasted a minute and there was no pickup.

Car was found 4 days later on border.

What I can derive is that there has to be more than 1 person involved in this. For one person to carry 4 bodies and bury them means there at least has to be more than one person.

Police seem to have suspected foul play. From the people involved, LE was questionign everyone. With the bodies, I expect the pieces to fall into place.

wiseguy182 · 11-25-2013, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Phanekim

Police seem to have suspected foul play. From the people involved, LE was questionign everyone. With the bodies, I expect the pieces to fall into place.

I don't agree. Police seemed to have believed they crossed into Mexico. Mr. McStay's brother has called the investigation into their disappearances as incompetent.

JenniferS. · 12-01-2013, 06:39 PM

http://www.mcstayfamily.org/mcstay-f...ith-rick-baker

Mcstay Family not Happy!

wiseguy182 · 12-12-2013, 09:02 AM

I just watched the Disappeared episode yesterday for the first time, and man, the investigators played up the 'voluntarily vanished into Mexico' angle TO THE HILT!!! Unfortunately, I fear this investigation is going back to square one because LE wasted so much time chasing down that ridiculous theory. It was telling that several family members were convinced it wasn't them. And if that wasn't enough, the tape is from 7:00 p.m, yet the McStays vehicle left their garage at 7:47 p.m., so it was VERY CLEARLY NOT THEM! And when you add that to my original statement that a family that walks together will be doing so side by side, and not spaced apart like the people in the tape were, it just further reinforces the fact that it was not the McStays. This investigation has been seriously bungled for nearly 4 years now and I fear a lot of crucial evidence may be lost because of it.

To answer blaquediamond's earlier question of why Joseph's brother waiting so long to report them missing: apparently it had something to do with their dogs. Michael had visited their home on numerous occasions and noticed the dog dishes were moved and apparently had been feed, so he figured Joseph asked someone to take care of them while they were away. At least that's what he claims.

FWIW, Summer's sister claims Summer liked to change her name regularly. I don't know if I believe that, but there it is.

I had speculated earlier that someone may have been hiding out in the family vehicle. I think either that was the case, or someone broke into their home (even with them there). The way the house was left (food being left out to spoil, etc) I don't think they left on their own accord.

wiseguy182 · 02-22-2014, 03:14 AM

wow.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-new-book.html

crochetbuff · 02-26-2014, 06:47 PM

Interesting. Hopefully the coroner has some hair of Joseph's to test for arsenic. Otherwise it could have been a number of illnesses, or even a change in medication. My Dad had vertigo when they changed his blood pressure medication, and yet it took them over a year to believe him and change it back, he has since been fine.

lindamichelle1 · 03-06-2014, 04:56 AM

wow thats crazy that they found them! i only watched this case not long ago and read so many articles wondering what happened to them

yasdnil · 07-03-2014, 02:43 PM

Did anyone watch the new McStay CNN special on Tuesday? I haven't seen the video posted online yet, but here is the transcript:

Randi Kaye's “Buried Secrets: Who Murdered The McStay Family?”
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/se.01.html

Guardian · 07-04-2014, 04:31 PM

I heard about the cnn special the following day so I never had a chance to watch. Anyone know if its online anywhere?

Awsi Dooger · 07-04-2014, 08:25 PM

I saw the CNN special. The father of the murdered husband was livid at law enforcement for fixating on the Mexico connection and ignoring any other possibility. He said he watched the video and immediately knew it wasn't his son and the family, and told that to authorities but they preferred their own version. He said the wife was scared of Mexico and there was no chance she would take her kids there, particularly at night and without access to a vehicle.

I haven't followed this story closely but I was always doubtful it was the McShays on that video. My background is assigning odds. Is anyone actually going to claim it was 50/50 likelihood or above? That's laughable. I'll continue to assert that people in law enforcement or investigative positions need some training in basic probability. Instead, they rely on instincts that are often brutally flawed. Creative prosecutors can dream up any scenario and convince themselves of the truth to the point they'll argue it passionately to a jury, even if the likelihood is a fraction of one percent.

I've seen other shows that focused on McShay family financial problems, including moving away from the beach. This show had none of that.

It was also strange that the CNN interviews were done very soon after the discovery of the bodies late last year, yet the special didn't air until midway 2014. I had the impression that the producers were holding out for some type of breakthrough or important additional information. When it didn't arrive they slapped together a somewhat disappointing version and threw it on the air.

ScaryFog · 07-04-2014, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Awsi Dooger

It was also strange that the CNN interviews were done very soon after the discovery of the bodies late last year, yet the special didn't air until midway 2014.

It was actually supposed to air early June, but was rescheduled for a month later with no explanation. They promoted as if it was going to air, I was looking forward to it and when they kept showing other news, I checked the website and they rescheduled it. I too wondered if they thought some update was going to happen because if they had to reschedule it, thats fine, but why one month?

ScaryFog · 07-05-2014, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Guardian

I heard about the cnn special the following day so I never had a chance to watch. Anyone know if its online anywhere?

Looks like its on again tonight July 5th at 10pm EST on CNN.

Awsi Dooger · 07-06-2014, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ScaryFog

It was actually supposed to air early June, but was rescheduled for a month later with no explanation. They promoted as if it was going to air, I was looking forward to it and when they kept showing other news, I checked the website and they rescheduled it. I too wondered if they thought some update was going to happen because if they had to reschedule it, thats fine, but why one month?

Thank you. I didn't realize it was delayed for a month. That adds to my instinct that the producers were holding out for some important additional information, and when it didn't happen they reluctantly decided they couldn't wait any longer and slapped together a somewhat disappointing version.

The first half of the show seemed logically prepared. Once it turned disjointed I had the impression there was something missing.

BTW, I just realized I called the family the McShays, not the McStays. Todd McShay is an NFL draft analyst on ESPN.

ScaryFog · 07-06-2014, 06:31 PM

I'm turning into the TV Guide for those who've missed it. Its on again tonight, Sunday July 6th at 7pm EST on CNN.

07-04-2014, 04:31 PM	#54
Guardian Member Forum Regular Join Date: May 19, 2010 Location: WA Posts: 522	I heard about the cnn special the following day so I never had a chance to watch. Anyone know if its online anywhere?
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11-24-2013, 07:26 PM	#46
Phanekim Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 14, 2009 Posts: 106	There are a few certainties behind this. Their trooper left at 7:47pm. Last phone call was to Chase Merritt at 8:28pm which lasted a minute and there was no pickup. Car was found 4 days later on border. What I can derive is that there has to be more than 1 person involved in this. For one person to carry 4 bodies and bury them means there at least has to be more than one person. Police seem to have suspected foul play. From the people involved, LE was questionign everyone. With the bodies, I expect the pieces to fall into place.

12-01-2013, 06:39 PM	#48
JenniferS. Member Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 06, 2003 Posts: 513	http://www.mcstayfamily.org/mcstay-f...ith-rick-baker Mcstay Family not Happy!

12-12-2013, 09:02 AM	#49
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	I just watched the Disappeared episode yesterday for the first time, and man, the investigators played up the 'voluntarily vanished into Mexico' angle TO THE HILT!!! Unfortunately, I fear this investigation is going back to square one because LE wasted so much time chasing down that ridiculous theory. It was telling that several family members were convinced it wasn't them. And if that wasn't enough, the tape is from 7:00 p.m, yet the McStays vehicle left their garage at 7:47 p.m., so it was VERY CLEARLY NOT THEM! And when you add that to my original statement that a family that walks together will be doing so side by side, and not spaced apart like the people in the tape were, it just further reinforces the fact that it was not the McStays. This investigation has been seriously bungled for nearly 4 years now and I fear a lot of crucial evidence may be lost because of it. To answer blaquediamond's earlier question of why Joseph's brother waiting so long to report them missing: apparently it had something to do with their dogs. Michael had visited their home on numerous occasions and noticed the dog dishes were moved and apparently had been feed, so he figured Joseph asked someone to take care of them while they were away. At least that's what he claims. FWIW, Summer's sister claims Summer liked to change her name regularly. I don't know if I believe that, but there it is. I had speculated earlier that someone may have been hiding out in the family vehicle. I think either that was the case, or someone broke into their home (even with them there). The way the house was left (food being left out to spoil, etc) I don't think they left on their own accord.

02-22-2014, 03:14 AM	#50
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	wow. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-new-book.html

02-26-2014, 06:47 PM	#51
crochetbuff Member Forum Regular Join Date: May 16, 2007 Location: USA Posts: 545	Interesting. Hopefully the coroner has some hair of Joseph's to test for arsenic. Otherwise it could have been a number of illnesses, or even a change in medication. My Dad had vertigo when they changed his blood pressure medication, and yet it took them over a year to believe him and change it back, he has since been fine.

03-06-2014, 04:56 AM	#52
lindamichelle1 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Mar 09, 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 61	wow thats crazy that they found them! i only watched this case not long ago and read so many articles wondering what happened to them

07-03-2014, 02:43 PM	#53
yasdnil Tomorrow Never Knows Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 03, 2014 Location: St. Louis Metro Area Posts: 211	Did anyone watch the new McStay CNN special on Tuesday? I haven't seen the video posted online yet, but here is the transcript: Randi Kaye's “Buried Secrets: Who Murdered The McStay Family?” http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/se.01.html

07-04-2014, 08:25 PM	#55
Awsi Dooger Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 18, 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 1,537	I saw the CNN special. The father of the murdered husband was livid at law enforcement for fixating on the Mexico connection and ignoring any other possibility. He said he watched the video and immediately knew it wasn't his son and the family, and told that to authorities but they preferred their own version. He said the wife was scared of Mexico and there was no chance she would take her kids there, particularly at night and without access to a vehicle. I haven't followed this story closely but I was always doubtful it was the McShays on that video. My background is assigning odds. Is anyone actually going to claim it was 50/50 likelihood or above? That's laughable. I'll continue to assert that people in law enforcement or investigative positions need some training in basic probability. Instead, they rely on instincts that are often brutally flawed. Creative prosecutors can dream up any scenario and convince themselves of the truth to the point they'll argue it passionately to a jury, even if the likelihood is a fraction of one percent. I've seen other shows that focused on McShay family financial problems, including moving away from the beach. This show had none of that. It was also strange that the CNN interviews were done very soon after the discovery of the bodies late last year, yet the special didn't air until midway 2014. I had the impression that the producers were holding out for some type of breakthrough or important additional information. When it didn't arrive they slapped together a somewhat disappointing version and threw it on the air.

07-06-2014, 06:31 PM	#59
ScaryFog Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 25, 2009 Posts: 222	I'm turning into the TV Guide for those who've missed it. Its on again tonight, Sunday July 6th at 7pm EST on CNN.