NBC will stop making comedies like "Community," "30 Rock" and "Parks and Rec" - Page 5 - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

factsoflife · 07-27-2012, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by EmoJoe

Oh cool! You actually read the article this time! Now we can actually discuss things!

Anyway, a 1.3 HH number is not bad for syndication. Is it The Big Bang Theory? No, but most shows aren't. The Big Bang Theory has much more timeslots and exposure (many of them primetime). In comparison to other shows that air with similar timeslot and exposure, 30 Rock is doing well.

And uh...Seinfeld and The Simpsons are GIANTS. I highly doubt they were doing poorly in those slots, but even if they were, its impressive 30 Rock has gained on them 60% regardless.

But hey, if you want to ignore actual data in favor of baseless hypothetical statements, go ahead! It's your life bro!

I think we should also think about the fact that Seinfeld and The Simpsons have been in syndication now for over a decade so perhaps there syndicated ratings are lower because of viewer fatigue? Perhaps audience simply gravitate towards a show that hasn't aired in syndication forever?

I'm sure 30 Rock will get renewed for at least another cycle in syndication.

EmoJoe · 07-27-2012, 04:14 AM

It's possible, although Seinfeld still pulls in big syndication numbers, as evidenced by the list posted on the previous page. The Simpsons seems like it probably doesn't do significantly better than 30 Rock on the whole. But either way, an improvement's an improvement, and I'm sure a timeslot on a major network in the massive market that is NYC with 2 big shows was getting a fair amount of viewers.

ryan423 · 07-27-2012, 10:33 AM

I'm someone who enjoys both single-camera and multi-camera comedies equally. I grew up on multi-cams, and it wasn't until I discovered Scrubs a few years ago that I begun to truly understand what makes the single-camera format as distinct and unique as it is. A show like Scrubs, or Community or Modern Family... these aren't "sophisticated comedies," they're merely well written comedies and the writing is intelligent. I wouldn't necessarily say The Big Bang Theory is a worse show than Modern Family because it automatically isn't as "sophisticated" or "intelligent," and there's no reason why I can't enjoy Community and Two and a Half Men. If NBC wants to broaden their comedy brand, it's perfectly understandable given their ratings trouble, but renewing "Whitney" just to renew your first multi-camera in years isn't the solution. NBC's current comedy roster will never find broad appeal, and I understand that. There's no need to fight over syndication numbers though. That's just silly. It's also not the issue at hand. Greenblatt has lost any confidence I held that he was going to be the Peacock's solution, and that's a shame. I do however look forward to "Go On," especially since given NBC's current threshold for renewal, Matthew Perry might finally see a second season of one of his post-Friends shows!

Yong Fang · 07-27-2012, 10:43 AM

I am a big fan of The Office and especially Parks and Recreation. Not so much on Community but they do have their fans.

The Office had its run. Although I have enjoyed the eighth season, many people turned off when Steve Carrell left. Parks has been on the edge of cancellation from day one, but, like Community has a cult audience. It is also on NBC, the fourth rating network. Parks would not have survived on ABC and FOX/CBS would have cancelled it three shows in.

I have always had a soft spot for NBC. Except for the 1980's, the network has always been low rated (well since the 1960's), but I have enjoyed many good shows from that network, many old shows that stand up today.

derfuzzywuzzy · 07-27-2012, 01:42 PM

Puerile was the best word that describes it. It has nothing to do with "big word" or sophicsticated... some people just have a different vocabulary.

As for dancing in the street, yes I am! all the dreck on NBC is on its way out... with the possability that it might get replaced with some thing better! Just maybe... although most in hollywood can't seem to get past recycling inlcuding NBC. I don't need remakes, reboots, or worse "reimaging" of past shows or movies. Your the creative ones, your paid to be creative, so CREATE!

Clean up the rest of the dreck reality crap and it would be great. NBC or any one else.

Yes I happen to be the spokesperson for the 18-49, male group. We are the ones with the MONEY! And don't waste it on flatulence applications for our phone. I like to be amused as much of the next person, but the days of "whoopy cushions" etc. are long past... unfortunately some have not left this behind and think it should be mainstream. 8th grade is over for most of us and has been.

As for poehler, not attractive, not humorus, not funny, not amusing, never will be. Sexist it may be, but sex sells, has since day 1. Theres a reason that a nobody company from COLUMBUS OH has turned into a huge seller of sex with their own special. I can remember when their shops were little more than broom closests in most malls. Now they take up huge spaces, and before the sell off, they could probably fill the spaces that many major mall anchors like Macys etc. fill. They sold many of these brands including the companies name sake to concentrate on what, VSC, or in other words, SEX.

Theres alot of shows I like that may not be ratings hits... but the heads of the network didn't go out and make a speech about them and say "their crap, they don't work, were going to go a different direction.." and MORE IMPORTANT they have wider appeal than the 8th grade juvenille humour of the NBC shows.

The experiment is over,it failed, miserably. Thats one of the reasons GE sold the thing off!

EmoJoe · 07-27-2012, 01:44 PM

If you honestly think the NBC shows are "8th grade juvenile humor" then you haven't seen enough of them to make a fully-formed opinion, and that's the last thing I can say because I don't know how to argue with someone who doesn't know what "sexism" means.

benjamoon · 07-30-2012, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derfuzzywuzzy

Puerile was the best word that describes it. It has nothing to do with "big word" or sophicsticated... some people just have a different vocabulary.

As for dancing in the street, yes I am! all the dreck on NBC is on its way out... with the possability that it might get replaced with some thing better! Just maybe... although most in hollywood can't seem to get past recycling inlcuding NBC. I don't need remakes, reboots, or worse "reimaging" of past shows or movies. Your the creative ones, your paid to be creative, so CREATE!

Clean up the rest of the dreck reality crap and it would be great. NBC or any one else.

Yes I happen to be the spokesperson for the 18-49, male group. We are the ones with the MONEY! And don't waste it on flatulence applications for our phone. I like to be amused as much of the next person, but the days of "whoopy cushions" etc. are long past... unfortunately some have not left this behind and think it should be mainstream. 8th grade is over for most of us and has been.

As for poehler, not attractive, not humorus, not funny, not amusing, never will be. Sexist it may be, but sex sells, has since day 1. Theres a reason that a nobody company from COLUMBUS OH has turned into a huge seller of sex with their own special. I can remember when their shops were little more than broom closests in most malls. Now they take up huge spaces, and before the sell off, they could probably fill the spaces that many major mall anchors like Macys etc. fill. They sold many of these brands including the companies name sake to concentrate on what, VSC, or in other words, SEX.

Theres alot of shows I like that may not be ratings hits... but the heads of the network didn't go out and make a speech about them and say "their crap, they don't work, were going to go a different direction.." and MORE IMPORTANT they have wider appeal than the 8th grade juvenille humour of the NBC shows.

The experiment is over,it failed, miserably. Thats one of the reasons GE sold the thing off!

Um... what?

Nyan · 08-02-2012, 03:51 PM

If anything needs a serious retool, it's the Today Show.

factsoflife · 08-04-2012, 12:43 AM

I hate when networks make announcements like this. First off these types of things never stick. As soon as they find a pilot that is funny enough or would be popular enough they'll make a single camera comedy again. I just think they are trying to do anything they can to make their fall shows a hit. We'll see what happens.

It's also just a coincidence that a number of these shows are nearing their ends so NBC is using that as a way to pretend that they are changing gears when really they just want some attention.

Oh how the mighty have fallen since the glory days when Family Ties, Cheers, Frasier, Friends, ER, Law & Order and Will & Grace held the coveted spots on Thursday nights.

Chad22 · 08-04-2012, 01:18 AM

Just bring back ALF. That's the solution to everything.

CommonTater · 08-04-2012, 09:40 PM

NBC is nothing but JUNK.

07-27-2012, 04:14 AM	#62
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07-27-2012, 10:33 AM	#63
ryan423 Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 15, 2007 Posts: 1,829	I'm someone who enjoys both single-camera and multi-camera comedies equally. I grew up on multi-cams, and it wasn't until I discovered Scrubs a few years ago that I begun to truly understand what makes the single-camera format as distinct and unique as it is. A show like Scrubs, or Community or Modern Family... these aren't "sophisticated comedies," they're merely well written comedies and the writing is intelligent. I wouldn't necessarily say The Big Bang Theory is a worse show than Modern Family because it automatically isn't as "sophisticated" or "intelligent," and there's no reason why I can't enjoy Community and Two and a Half Men. If NBC wants to broaden their comedy brand, it's perfectly understandable given their ratings trouble, but renewing "Whitney" just to renew your first multi-camera in years isn't the solution. NBC's current comedy roster will never find broad appeal, and I understand that. There's no need to fight over syndication numbers though. That's just silly. It's also not the issue at hand. Greenblatt has lost any confidence I held that he was going to be the Peacock's solution, and that's a shame. I do however look forward to "Go On," especially since given NBC's current threshold for renewal, Matthew Perry might finally see a second season of one of his post-Friends shows!

07-27-2012, 10:43 AM	#64
Yong Fang Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 04, 2009 Location: Memphis Tennessee Posts: 3,072	I am a big fan of The Office and especially Parks and Recreation. Not so much on Community but they do have their fans. The Office had its run. Although I have enjoyed the eighth season, many people turned off when Steve Carrell left. Parks has been on the edge of cancellation from day one, but, like Community has a cult audience. It is also on NBC, the fourth rating network. Parks would not have survived on ABC and FOX/CBS would have cancelled it three shows in. I have always had a soft spot for NBC. Except for the 1980's, the network has always been low rated (well since the 1960's), but I have enjoyed many good shows from that network, many old shows that stand up today.

07-27-2012, 01:42 PM	#65
derfuzzywuzzy Member Forum Hawk Join Date: Jul 25, 2012 Posts: 3	Puerile was the best word that describes it. It has nothing to do with "big word" or sophicsticated... some people just have a different vocabulary. As for dancing in the street, yes I am! all the dreck on NBC is on its way out... with the possability that it might get replaced with some thing better! Just maybe... although most in hollywood can't seem to get past recycling inlcuding NBC. I don't need remakes, reboots, or worse "reimaging" of past shows or movies. Your the creative ones, your paid to be creative, so CREATE! Clean up the rest of the dreck reality crap and it would be great. NBC or any one else. Yes I happen to be the spokesperson for the 18-49, male group. We are the ones with the MONEY! And don't waste it on flatulence applications for our phone. I like to be amused as much of the next person, but the days of "whoopy cushions" etc. are long past... unfortunately some have not left this behind and think it should be mainstream. 8th grade is over for most of us and has been. As for poehler, not attractive, not humorus, not funny, not amusing, never will be. Sexist it may be, but sex sells, has since day 1. Theres a reason that a nobody company from COLUMBUS OH has turned into a huge seller of sex with their own special. I can remember when their shops were little more than broom closests in most malls. Now they take up huge spaces, and before the sell off, they could probably fill the spaces that many major mall anchors like Macys etc. fill. They sold many of these brands including the companies name sake to concentrate on what, VSC, or in other words, SEX. Theres alot of shows I like that may not be ratings hits... but the heads of the network didn't go out and make a speech about them and say "their crap, they don't work, were going to go a different direction.." and MORE IMPORTANT they have wider appeal than the 8th grade juvenille humour of the NBC shows. The experiment is over,it failed, miserably. Thats one of the reasons GE sold the thing off!

07-27-2012, 01:44 PM	#66
EmoJoe Cool cool cool Forum Addict Join Date: Apr 23, 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 71,478	If you honestly think the NBC shows are "8th grade juvenile humor" then you haven't seen enough of them to make a fully-formed opinion, and that's the last thing I can say because I don't know how to argue with someone who doesn't know what "sexism" means.

08-02-2012, 03:51 PM	#68
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08-04-2012, 12:43 AM	#69
factsoflife Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 11, 2000 Posts: 8,741	I hate when networks make announcements like this. First off these types of things never stick. As soon as they find a pilot that is funny enough or would be popular enough they'll make a single camera comedy again. I just think they are trying to do anything they can to make their fall shows a hit. We'll see what happens. It's also just a coincidence that a number of these shows are nearing their ends so NBC is using that as a way to pretend that they are changing gears when really they just want some attention. Oh how the mighty have fallen since the glory days when Family Ties, Cheers, Frasier, Friends, ER, Law & Order and Will & Grace held the coveted spots on Thursday nights.

08-04-2012, 01:18 AM	#70
Chad22 Captain Juke N Jive Moderator Forum Addict Join Date: Nov 23, 2002 Location: Caribou, Maine Posts: 71,661	Just bring back ALF. That's the solution to everything.