Has NBC finally turned a corner?

[factsoflife]

Originally Posted by mets82

I agree to a certain extent. The thing about how networks dont care about families part that you mentioned, I dont know about that. You know, I watch Father Knows Best, Leave it to Beaver etc. Now they were family friendly shows but would shows like that hold up today? Dont misunderstand me. I think there should be family shows but do you think family shows hold up in todays society? Or do you think the premise of a Father Knows Best or Leave it to Beaver is outdated?

Yes, in today's world "Father Knows Best" is outdated, not to mention sexist and offensive The world today is more complicated and shows really should be able to address that. "Leave It To Beaver" was outdated even in it's time, it was truly never a realistic portrayal of what the majority of American's lived like.

Again, nobody is saying that TV shouldn't have family-friendly programming, but that not every show NEEDS to be "family-friendly".

Groups like the PTC or the thankfully know disbanded Viewers for Quality Television only concern themselves with censoring programs they've decided don't fit their rigid and frankly puritanical standard. I am all for shows we can all watch together, but not at the expense of other people's right to watch what they want.

[robyrob]

i find it ridiculous that Boomerang can't go an entire 30 minutes without showing that stupid commercial with jimmy Johnson and his Extenz-Enhanced penis - it is entirely inappropriate to be showing a commercail like that during cartoons.

[Regulus]

Originally Posted by robyrob

i find it ridiculous that Boomerang can't go an entire 30 minutes without showing that stupid commercial with jimmy Johnson and his Extenz-Enhanced penis - it is entirely inappropriate to be showing a commercail like that during cartoons.

This is why I decided to "CUT THE CORD" Five years ago this week. Even Children's Shows aren't safe from these ABOMONATIONS , and since there is no indication these kinds of Commercials are about to come on, Parents have to CRINGE whenever a show their kids are watching goes to a Commercial Break! This is why I want the "V-Chip" Law AMENDED so that it includes Commercials.

[robyrob]

Originally Posted by robyrob

i find it ridiculous that Boomerang can't go an entire 30 minutes without showing that stupid commercial with jimmy Johnson and his Extenz-Enhanced penis - it is entirely inappropriate to be showing a commercail like that during cartoons.

i really don't even understand the logic of it - do they really want kids buying their boner pills? is this their target audience? are they trying to get it ingrained into these kids minds that everyone has to have an elephant penis or they are worthless to society?

[Regulus]

Originally Posted by robyrob

i really don't even understand the logic of it - do they really want kids buying their boner pills? is this their target audience? are they trying to get it ingrained into these kids minds that everyone has to have an elephant penis or they are worthless to society?

I once called a Company that made these "Adult Products" to Complain about their Commercials baing aired during Children's Shows, and was told "Those Commercials aren't for the Children, they're for their Parents or Grandparents who are watching with them". It's called "Scattershot Advertising" and it simply means to Advertise EVERYWHERE. The Spokesperson added that they were paying $70,000,000 per channel so I could get the programming I watched. I told her since I was PAYING $65.00 a Month to watch their garbage INFEST what I was watching, it's obvious the Cable Companies don't need my Subscription Dollars!

[LUNCH]

Originally Posted by Regulus

The Spokesperson added that they were paying $70,000,000 per channel so I could get the programming I watched.

They can keep their $$$.Programming was so much better BEFORE all these lowlifes and scam artists were allowed to advertise.I've mentioned it before but uncontrolled advertising(amount and content of ads) has played a big part in ruining American television.It affects everything from the types of shows stations air,the types of shows made, classic shows being heavily edited,the list can go on and on.It's also the reason why many once good stations like TVLand,AMC again the list can go on and on have ruined themselves and become unviewable jokes.And that's not to mention the fact that it is almost impossible to watch shows live anymore because half of the show is commercials.

[mets82]

I'll be honest. I never really paid attention to commericals when I was a kid. Very few that I really remember. But I can understand your point about showing these raunchy commericals during cartoons. Sometimes, I cringe when I see those commericals with my mother while watching sitcoms, soap operas or whatever.

[Mr. Television]

Originally Posted by mets82

I'll be honest. I never really paid attention to commericals when I was a kid. Very few that I really remember. But I can understand your point about showing these raunchy commericals during cartoons. Sometimes, I cringe when I see those commericals with my mother while watching sitcoms, soap operas or whatever.

I don't even like watching those commercials during football games.

[factsoflife]

I will admit that the advertising situation is not something I am a fan of either. I agree, children's shows should be immune from having such ads aired during them.

[mswood]

If commercials are what bother you, then its simply there have been devices going back to the late 70's that allow one to record and then edit out material one doesn't wish to see (be it for yourself or for your family).

I did this way back in the 80's just because I in general don't like any commercials. And I watch a ton of tv, the last commercial I can really recall from tv is Apple's 1984.

And with DVR's its even easier to edit out then it was with VHS recorders. My brother edits everything that his family watches and as done so for the last 17 years.

It's the miracle of technology while there is of course things out there that can offend, it is easier today then at any previous period of the life of television to insulate yourself away from programs, or commercials that you don't care for.

[Regulus]

There are certain events on TV that show "Adult Product" Commercials on a regular basis, and they are on at times when CHILDREN ARE WATCHING. Unfortunately it is not practical to record these events and watch them later, as you will probably hear from somebody the results of these events.

These, of course are THE SPORTING EVENTS. Baseball, Football, Basketball, Hockey, Golf, Automobile Racing, and the like. Saturday and Sunday Afternoons. What Child DOESN'T watch Sports. As I mentioned before, there is no Indication these ads are about to come on. Also they are frequently shown during the Evening News. (When I was a Child my Father INSISTED on having the Evening News on during Supper, and you didn't DARE to talk while the News was on). I'm sure this goes on today in MILLIONS of Households. If these commercials were subjected to the same criteria as the programs were, parents could breathe easier every time a show or event goes to a commercial break, as the offending Advertisments would be BLOCKED. There is a Compromise I'm willing to make, and that is I'd allow these kinds of ads to be played at times when children are NOT watching, that is from 10:00 PM to 5:00 AM Sundays to Thursdays, and 11:00 PM to 5:00 AM Fridays and Saturdays. Most Children are asleep at these times and few if any of them would see these kinds of ads. And that's where I stand, either get these ads "V-Chip Rated" or have Advertisers agree to air these ads at times when Children are not likely to be watching.

[CommonTater]

I agree! We have had that happen in our home and I don't like it one little bit.

[factsoflife]

Originally Posted by Regulus

There are certain events on TV that show "Adult Product" Commercials on a regular basis, and they are on at times when CHILDREN ARE WATCHING. Unfortunately it is not practical to record these events and watch them later, as you will probably hear from somebody the results of these events.

These, of course are THE SPORTING EVENTS. Baseball, Football, Basketball, Hockey, Golf, Automobile Racing, and the like. Saturday and Sunday Afternoons. What Child DOESN'T watch Sports. As I mentioned before, there is no Indication these ads are about to come on. Also they are frequently shown during the Evening News. (When I was a Child my Father INSISTED on having the Evening News on during Supper, and you didn't DARE to talk while the News was on). I'm sure this goes on today in MILLIONS of Households. If these commercials were subjected to the same criteria as the programs were, parents could breathe easier every time a show or event goes to a commercial break, as the offending Advertisments would be BLOCKED. There is a Compromise I'm willing to make, and that is I'd allow these kinds of ads to be played at times when children are NOT watching, that is from 10:00 PM to 5:00 AM Sundays to Thursdays, and 11:00 PM to 5:00 AM Fridays and Saturdays. Most Children are asleep at these times and few if any of them would see these kinds of ads. And that's where I stand, either get these ads "V-Chip Rated" or have Advertisers agree to air these ads at times when Children are not likely to be watching.

SO let me get this right, it's okay to let a kid watch a violent hockey game or watch the news story about the war in some middle eastern country where bombs are going off and people are being killed because of race; but if that child sees a commercial for Viagra or Ky Jelly then that's no okay?

Here's the thing; most kids watching won't even know what these ads are for and simply won't pay attention to them. It's only when parents get upset and make them take notice that kids will even think to ask about those things. and really if a kid is past a particular age (say 14) shouldn't they really already have some sense of what that stuff is anyway? Especially today's kids who are a lot more exposed to this stuff than kids from previous generations were?

[waichingliu81]

Originally Posted by EmoJoe

So how exactly would you know if NBC has turned a corner or not if you haven't watched it since 2004?

i guess i contracdicted myself there. i've only seen bits of some NBC shows, but never the full episodes. i watch the first 10 mins of the pilot and if i like what i see, i persevere with it.

[mswood]

Originally Posted by Regulus

There are certain events on TV that show "Adult Product" Commercials on a regular basis, and they are on at times when CHILDREN ARE WATCHING. Unfortunately it is not practical to record these events and watch them later, as you will probably hear from somebody the results of these events.

These, of course are THE SPORTING EVENTS. Baseball, Football, Basketball, Hockey, Golf, Automobile Racing, and the like. Saturday and Sunday Afternoons. What Child DOESN'T watch Sports. As I mentioned before, there is no Indication these ads are about to come on. Also they are frequently shown during the Evening News. (When I was a Child my Father INSISTED on having the Evening News on during Supper, and you didn't DARE to talk while the News was on). I'm sure this goes on today in MILLIONS of Households. If these commercials were subjected to the same criteria as the programs were, parents could breathe easier every time a show or event goes to a commercial break, as the offending Advertisments would be BLOCKED. There is a Compromise I'm willing to make, and that is I'd allow these kinds of ads to be played at times when children are NOT watching, that is from 10:00 PM to 5:00 AM Sundays to Thursdays, and 11:00 PM to 5:00 AM Fridays and Saturdays. Most Children are asleep at these times and few if any of them would see these kinds of ads. And that's where I stand, either get these ads "V-Chip Rated" or have Advertisers agree to air these ads at times when Children are not likely to be watching.

Well as I pointed out I don't watch commercials. Period. ANd I have no problem watching something a a bit after it airs (or if I was a real strickler I could go back to what I did in Alaska get my feed from New York I would have time to edit it (and you don't actually watch the commercials when you edit them, screen turns to black, you push Fast Forward give enough time let go when you feel the episode would have started up again, and then visual go back, that way you don't see a single moment of any commercial). ANd I would have it done, before it aired locally.

Now I don't have kids, but I use my brother. One child, single parent. She is not allowed to watch tv (and she's 17 right now) that hasn't been monitored by him first. Period. By it children's programming, live sporting events, normal tv shows, live specials, ect. It doesn't happen.

I was also raised where you didn't watch tv during a meal, that was family time, and only family time.

The sad thing is and he will admit it that she is exposed to worse language and sex when they go watch the ducks play (college football), at school, when she's with her friends, when they go shopping, and basically at almost every social aspect of society that they interact with. But he still insists on knowing what she watches.