Paternity Revisited - Page 2 - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

CyBr · 02-24-2007, 12:47 PM

I've tried to figure this out for years. But after listening to the Season 4 commentaries, I realize that even the writers are still struggling to explain it.

adyjdy · 02-27-2007, 11:27 PM

This again, indeed! The baby was David's. "Womb" shows that fact as clearly as a TV show can. GGC said it. It is so. I find expressing "opinions" on the subject odd, since this was not a TV show that lived in a factual netherworld where up is down, the sky turns purple and the island vibrates. (If you want that visit the LOST forum, those people are CRAZY!

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The debatable questions here are when it happened? Did Maddie really think otherwise? And if so, why?

I think behaving as though your fellow posters are attacking Maddie when the question of paternity (a well-settled question, I might add) is even broached is unreasonable. I didn't even see anyone attacking Maddie! Secondly, we are probably all women here. We get how pregnancy works... thanks. We get that sleeping with an old, unrequited love on a whim doesn't make Maddie a whore. However, knowing all of that... does not make the baby Sam's and does not, neon000 make your condescention okay, whether it is directed at any one person or not.

I have enjoyed your posts here and on ther other board immensely, which is why I've been loath to say anything confrontational in the past. You are full of p*** and vinegar, and I, for one, think that is GREAT! (Though I'm honestly not sure if that well-intentioned compliment will offend you, too.) However, when another poster can't even ask a few simple questions without getting spanked, maybe it is time for you to take your dolly and go home.

kismet · 02-28-2007, 10:02 AM

The baby was and always will be David's. Baby David is clearly shown in A Womb With A View.

I think Maddie always knew whose baby it was.

Do you think that straight-as-an-arrow, perfect to a T, Eagle Boy Scout astronaut Sam would have unprotected sex?

Let's see if we all can remember which beloved characters had unprotected sex always and often!

Let's see - was it Maddie and David?

In order to deal with problems with the real life pregnancy, the writers during season 4 had to come up with something. So they made Maddie confused. She wasn't confused. She ran home so that she could avoid dealing with the issue - that she was pregnant with David's baby, and she thought that David would be irresponsible.

Just my opinion - hit me baby once more time!

laura a · 02-28-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kismet

Let's see if we all can remember which beloved characters had unprotected sex always and often!

Let's see - was it Maddie and David?

That`s so funny! . Personally even if we didn`t have confirmation from Glenn himself or Bruce portraying Baby Hayes i think the writers were laying the tracks for David being the father even before Maddie knew she was pregnant. Take for example the little chat that David and Maddie have about birth control in To Heiress.... now why would the writers have David mention that he hadn`t used a condom during their little agenda`s unless it was instrumental to Maddies pregnancy. another example is in Tracks.... again why would the writers put all these marker dates in the dialogue , ( Maddie saying exactly how far along she was and then David correcting Maddie on exactly how long Maddie had been in Chicago. ) I say that they did all of this so we would figure it out ourselves and come to the right conclusion.
Because of all these clues it really frustrates me that after all the ground work that the writers had laid out for us , they then have Maddie tell David that he isnot the baby`s father!.My theory is that there were two groups of writers working on this storyline (one that had David as the father and the other that had Sam as the father and they both got the storylines intermingled.)

kismet · 02-28-2007, 01:46 PM

"I think the writers were laying the tracks for David being the father even before Maddie knew she was pregnant. Take for example the little chat that David and Maddie have about birth control in To Heiress.... now why would the writers have David mention that he hadn`t used a condom unless it was instrumental to Maddies pregnancy."

Exactly! That scene was so telling (and fantastic!!! - one of my all time Moonlighting favorite scenes).

heypattycakes · 03-02-2007, 07:52 PM

My feeling is that David is the father. Like Diane, I am going with my gut instinct. That said, I am also thinking from the writers point of view. I don't think even they knew who the father was until Glen wrote WOMB. I think it was intentional for the audience to be confused becasue that way the writers were offered an out either way. Sam or Davids? The truth is you could make a case for either man to be the father. In my opinion it was intended that way.

CyBr · 03-17-2007, 09:27 PM

I think you're right. My problem with the writing is how adamant Maddie is that it's Sam's. If she didn't know, I could accept that, but I think they wrote her lines very badly in Season 4 . I also always believed it was David's even before WOMB because I think when Sam showed up and wanted to rekindle things with Maddie, he's the kind of guy who would have come prepared. David, on the other hand, expected Sam there that night and didn't exactly plan for that night. But he wasn't going to turn it down once things started to happen!!

MulberryGal · 03-21-2007, 07:58 AM

I agree that Maddie probably knew who the father was, but didn't really want to face the fact. I do remember her in Tracks dreaming about David becoming a father and then turning into an apple pie-no passion kinda guy. She was initially confused and dazed, and then seemed to make a decision that it couldn't have been David's no matter what.

I agree with adyjdy and Laura and Kis....

Mul

MaddieLovesDavid · 07-19-2008, 10:42 AM

Hi, folks!

I just found this site a couple days ago. I'm "maddieaddisonjr" on the davidandmaddie.com site.

Well, my take on the paternity question is this: In "Tracks" Maddie tells the staff that she's just under five months. She has been gone, as David makes clear in the same episode, for four and a half months.. David told Mr. Hayes in "Father Knows Last" that he and Maddie had been together for a month or three weeks - I forget which - before she went to Chicago. There's no way David could not be the father and it makes no sense to have Maddie be confused about it when she herself knows what happened and when. She doesn't need an obstetrician to confirm it. So if the idea is that she was lying for the reasons she gave to Agnes in "Eek A Spouse!" it still doesn't speak well for the way the character is now being written and I do like Maddie even though I've been critical of some of her behavior at the very end of season three and throughout season four.

02-28-2007, 10:02 AM	#18
kismet I'm addicted too! Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,239	The baby was and always will be David's. Baby David is clearly shown in A Womb With A View. I think Maddie always knew whose baby it was. Do you think that straight-as-an-arrow, perfect to a T, Eagle Boy Scout astronaut Sam would have unprotected sex? Let's see if we all can remember which beloved characters had unprotected sex always and often! Let's see - was it Maddie and David? In order to deal with problems with the real life pregnancy, the writers during season 4 had to come up with something. So they made Maddie confused. She wasn't confused. She ran home so that she could avoid dealing with the issue - that she was pregnant with David's baby, and she thought that David would be irresponsible. Just my opinion - hit me baby once more time!
	__________________ "....being crazy 'bout a woman like HER is ALWAYS the right thing to do." -- TLPS "The only thing new under the sun is the truth you don't know." -- BW "What a babe. What a dish!" -- BW re CS

03-21-2007, 07:58 AM	#23
MulberryGal Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 04, 2004 Location: England Posts: 333	I agree that Maddie probably knew who the father was, but didn't really want to face the fact. I do remember her in Tracks dreaming about David becoming a father and then turning into an apple pie-no passion kinda guy. She was initially confused and dazed, and then seemed to make a decision that it couldn't have been David's no matter what. I agree with adyjdy and Laura and Kis.... Mul
	__________________ You can lead a horse to water but that doesn't make him a duck Maddie Hayes: I wouldn't want you losing any more sleep over me. David Addison : Believe me, if and when I ever find myself over you, the last thing I'll be thinking about is sleeping.

02-24-2007, 12:47 PM	#16
CyBr Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 17, 2004 Posts: 515	I've tried to figure this out for years. But after listening to the Season 4 commentaries, I realize that even the writers are still struggling to explain it.

02-27-2007, 11:27 PM	#17
adyjdy Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 04, 2006 Posts: 59	This again, indeed! The baby was David's. "Womb" shows that fact as clearly as a TV show can. GGC said it. It is so. I find expressing "opinions" on the subject odd, since this was not a TV show that lived in a factual netherworld where up is down, the sky turns purple and the island vibrates. (If you want that visit the LOST forum, those people are CRAZY! ) The debatable questions here are when it happened? Did Maddie really think otherwise? And if so, why? I think behaving as though your fellow posters are attacking Maddie when the question of paternity (a well-settled question, I might add) is even broached is unreasonable. I didn't even see anyone attacking Maddie! Secondly, we are probably all women here. We get how pregnancy works... thanks. We get that sleeping with an old, unrequited love on a whim doesn't make Maddie a whore. However, knowing all of that... does not make the baby Sam's and does not, neon000 make your condescention okay, whether it is directed at any one person or not. I have enjoyed your posts here and on ther other board immensely, which is why I've been loath to say anything confrontational in the past. You are full of p*** and vinegar, and I, for one, think that is GREAT! (Though I'm honestly not sure if that well-intentioned compliment will offend you, too.) However, when another poster can't even ask a few simple questions without getting spanked, maybe it is time for you to take your dolly and go home.

02-28-2007, 01:46 PM	#20
kismet I'm addicted too! Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,239	"I think the writers were laying the tracks for David being the father even before Maddie knew she was pregnant. Take for example the little chat that David and Maddie have about birth control in To Heiress.... now why would the writers have David mention that he hadn`t used a condom unless it was instrumental to Maddies pregnancy." Exactly! That scene was so telling (and fantastic!!! - one of my all time Moonlighting favorite scenes).

03-02-2007, 07:52 PM	#21
heypattycakes ML Forever Forum Hawk Join Date: Dec 14, 2006 Location: Rochester NY Posts: 3	My feeling is that David is the father. Like Diane, I am going with my gut instinct. That said, I am also thinking from the writers point of view. I don't think even they knew who the father was until Glen wrote WOMB. I think it was intentional for the audience to be confused becasue that way the writers were offered an out either way. Sam or Davids? The truth is you could make a case for either man to be the father. In my opinion it was intended that way.

03-17-2007, 09:27 PM	#22
CyBr Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 17, 2004 Posts: 515	I think you're right. My problem with the writing is how adamant Maddie is that it's Sam's. If she didn't know, I could accept that, but I think they wrote her lines very badly in Season 4 . I also always believed it was David's even before WOMB because I think when Sam showed up and wanted to rekindle things with Maddie, he's the kind of guy who would have come prepared. David, on the other hand, expected Sam there that night and didn't exactly plan for that night. But he wasn't going to turn it down once things started to happen!!

07-19-2008, 10:42 AM	#24
MaddieLovesDavid Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jul 19, 2008 Location: Pennsylvania, US Posts: 19	Hi, folks! I just found this site a couple days ago. I'm "maddieaddisonjr" on the davidandmaddie.com site. Well, my take on the paternity question is this: In "Tracks" Maddie tells the staff that she's just under five months. She has been gone, as David makes clear in the same episode, for four and a half months.. David told Mr. Hayes in "Father Knows Last" that he and Maddie had been together for a month or three weeks - I forget which - before she went to Chicago. There's no way David could not be the father and it makes no sense to have Maddie be confused about it when she herself knows what happened and when. She doesn't need an obstetrician to confirm it. So if the idea is that she was lying for the reasons she gave to Agnes in "Eek A Spouse!" it still doesn't speak well for the way the character is now being written and I do like Maddie even though I've been critical of some of her behavior at the very end of season three and throughout season four.