The Lone Ranger: Gay?

[Hollow]

Originally Posted by Georgia's on my Mind

You are in need of a reality check.

she does if she wants to be living in your fantasy world.

[Georgia's on my Mind]

Originally Posted by bandito

You are in need of a banning.

You are in need of a banning aswell.

[Georgia's on my Mind]

Originally Posted by safety pin

she does if she wants to be living in your fantasy world.

You are quite naive.

[Janice]

That's an interesting analysis. I do wonder though...on any tv show or movie, we (the audience) don't see everything. We have to assume that characters are doing other things in their lives that we're not seeing.

Is it possible that The Long Ranger and Tonto were seeing women, and it wasn't being shown to the audience?

Also, I wasn't aware that "situational homosexuality" was encouraged and practiced in the Old West. I'm guessing that situational homosexuality is, as the name implies, when a person is intimate with the same sex due to their circumstance, such as being in prison, etc. It's a whole other topic, but I think that not all straight men would engage in it under any circumstance. Could be wrong on that.

Interesting reading.

[TJL]

Originally Posted by miss landers

Situational homosexuality was practiced in the old West simply because females were few and far between. For ranch hands and cowboys, the nearest females (aside form the rancher's wife and daughters who were strictly off limits) could be as much as 50 miles away from the ranch. Much too far for the average ranch hand to ride into town every night for female companionship. So how do you think cowboys and ranch hands satisfied their physical urges and needs? If you answered "with each other" you are correct.

That sound you just heard was John Wayne spinning in his grave.

Seriously, it's a very interesting theory Miss Landers.

[Brian Damage]

I agree with Janice 100%. "Oh I'm gay, don't talk about us because that is offensive." Everybody is so damn uptight about the "gay" issue. Who gives a flying **** if you are or you aren't? I'll tell you one thing though, I'm not going to be put into a guilt trip if I decide to talk about it on the board. I swear sometimes this board has become a gay rights site. When did this happen? Next we won't be able to talk about anything related to African Americans, Jews, Christians, Italians, Asians, Native American Indians, Muslims, Car mechanics, jugglers, etc...

[Georgia's on my Mind]

Originally Posted by Brian Damage

I agree with Janice 100%. "Oh I'm gay, don't talk about us because that is offensive." Everybody is so damn uptight about the "gay" issue. Who gives a flying **** if you are or you aren't? I'll tell you one thing though, I'm not going to be put into a guilt trip if I decide to talk about it on the board. I swear sometimes this board has become a gay rights site. When did this happen? Next we won't be able to talk about anything related to African Americans, Jews, Christians, Italians, Asians, Native American Indians, Muslims, Car mechanics, jugglers, etc...

Over compisation is not right, but neither is biased conversation about a generalized group.

[Hollow]

Originally Posted by Brian Damage

I agree with Janice 100%. "Oh I'm gay, don't talk about us because that is offensive." Everybody is so damn uptight about the "gay" issue. Who gives a flying **** if you are or you aren't? I'll tell you one thing though, I'm not going to be put into a guilt trip if I decide to talk about it on the board. I swear sometimes this board has become a gay rights site. When did this happen? Next we won't be able to talk about anything related to African Americans, Jews, Christians, Italians, Asians, Native American Indians, Muslims, Car mechanics, jugglers, etc...

i agree. if you think homosexuality shouldn't be thought of as different from other sexualities, stop singling out posts that contain the word "gay" without saying anything extraordinarily positive about gay culture. you ARE reacting to it differently than you would if it were about heterosexuality.

[Zebra 3]

Originally Posted by TJL

That sound you just heard was John Wayne spinning in his grave.

Forget the Duke. What about Clayton Moore. Alive he had to deal at one time with being banned from wearing the mask and now dead, he's got this slash writer on his character's ass.

[miss landers]

Originally Posted by Janice

That's an interesting analysis. I do wonder though...on any tv show or movie, we (the audience) don't see everything. We have to assume that characters are doing other things in their lives that we're not seeing. Is it possible that The Long Ranger and Tonto were seeing women, and it wasn't being shown to the audience?

Good question. Yes, we do have to assume that characters in TV shows are engaged in activities we don't see: they're eating three meals a day for instance, or getting a good night's sleep, or they're going to the doctor and the dentist. But I don't believe we can assume the Lone Ranger was seeing women for the simple reason that he apparently believed he needed to keep his identity secret. Assignations with women would have jeopardized the secret of his identity. And it's not likely The Lone Ranger would have patronized prostitutes - he had high ideals. (It's more likely The Lone Ranger would have attempted to reform them!)

Originally Posted by Janice

Also, I wasn't aware that "situational homosexuality" was encouraged and practiced in the Old West. I'm guessing that situational homosexuality is, as the name implies, when a person is intimate with the same sex due to their circumstance, such as being in prison, etc. It's a whole other topic, but I think that not all straight men would engage in it under any circumstance. Could be wrong on that. Interesting reading.

I don't want you to believe that homosexual relations were encouraged or celebrated in the old West with trumpets, drums, fireworks, and parades. And I don't want you to think that every man engaged in homosexual relations. The old West was not an endless homosexual Saturnalia. No, indeed not. But homosexual relations were not suppressed nor censured with quite the rigorous measures and social disapprobation found in other times and places. The strictures of church, society, and social institutions simply didn't exist on the frontier. A man was free to pursue homosexual relations - whether those relations were "quickies" or long term spiritual, emotional, and physical bondings - without the censure of the community or community institutions. Homosexual relations were encouraged or condoned by trail bosses simply to keep the peace and to get the job at hand done quickly and with as little problems as possible. Cattle drives were sometimes as long as three months through difficult, lonely, dangerous, and wild terrain; it was not to the trail boss's interest to have two dozen illiterate, crude cowboys on a long drive sexually frustrated from one moment to the next any more than it would be of any benefit to have them underfed, underpaid, or overworked. Homosexual relations in the old West were not unusual - indeed, it might not be "stretching it" to say that at some times and in some places way out West, homosexual relations were the norm. Today's notion that lusty young cowboys joyously bedded beautifully manicured and groomed saloon girls night after night is far - very far - from the realities of the old West.

[TripperFan]

I agree, every thread that mentions homosexuality doesn't have to be examined and autopsied by overly sensitive people.

True acceptance means people should be able to discuss it without others freaking out that we're all set to bash them or homosexuality in general.

Lets face it - when it comes down to it - they're just imaginary characters we're talking about here - get a grip!!!

[leroykevin]

HOW DARE YOU? First off all the series debuted in 1949. At that time kids would go EEEEWWW if any cowboy kissed, hugged, or even showed any special kind of intrest in a girl. It was all innocent, they were too busy fighting the bad guys to think about romance. Roy Rogers once said kids would get mad even he looked like he was going to Kiss Dale (EEEEEEEEWWW) Trigger was okay but not Dale (And lets not go there

[TripperFan]

Wasn't there just a whole, long other thread about this very subject??

Deja vu or what?!