if you have tell your story. i belive in sprits my mom loved roses, my mom past away in oct 2003 and i smell roses alot .its just her way of letting me know she is with me.

I believe in them. I've never seen one but I believe they exist.

The Holy Spirit is all I need to believe and have faith in!!

No.

I believe in spirits. My mom always feels her grandmother is near her a lot. She smells the powder and purfeme she use to wear when she was a live.

I do, the day me and my friend where in a car accident, it could have been so much worse than it was (I still don't know how I didn't fly through the windshied) we both believe that our grandpa's where watching out for us.

Yes, I do.

they ARE damn real.

I don't know...

I even know a spirit by name! His first name is Jack, and his last name is Daniels.;) Sorry, just kidding!
I'm kind of open on the whole spirit/ghost thing as I think there must be more than just this carbon-based body we dwell in, I just don't know if we can hang around as spirits among the living.
I've seen and heard a lot of freaky things myself, but I think that those things and things that other people have been through that I have read about or seen on tv usually have a logical and sometimes all-too-simple explanation.
One thing that happened to me took place not long after we had moved into my Aunt's house after she died. I was about 10 or 12 then and was sleeping in a room with one of my brothers on the other side of the room. I had a dream that my Aunt was scolding my brother; pointing a finger at him and giving him a talking to. I woke up with a start, and there right in front of me on the wall was a black figure pointing at my brother across the room. Well, I was naturally pretty freaked out by this, and I froze! I couldn't move or yell or anything, I just kept staring at this figure. After a couple minutes of this I finally decided, well, it's not attacking me or anything, so I moved forward in my bed and went up and touched it. It was cold and smooth, it almost felt like...
...a wall. Of course, it was just the wall, and I looked toward the window to notice the same kind of shadows there as was on the wall. It's amazing what light hitting the trees outside just right can do! That and the tricks a mind can play on a person, especially just coming out of a dream. Of course, I did go get my Mom to come and verify my findings before going back to sleep! ;)
So while I do think that spirits living(I think that's an oxymoron)among us might be possible, I do go into such things with a healthy amount of skepticism.

Yes I do. I think they are around us all the time. And some are good and some are not.

nope. i love shia............!

I don't. But my brother does. When my brother (Jason) died, my other brother (John), was on the phone one time, and he froze. When my grandmother went to see what he was looking at, he said: "I just saw Jason." And a few years ago, my brother John had a dream that him and Jason were playing a game of football. Jason called out "First and Ten." The next day, my brother went to the gas station. He saw a lottery ticket named "First and Ten." He bought one, and won 300 dollars. So, I really don't know what to think.

You guys should check out this fine topic. :)

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=57804

Originally posted by EricIdlefan
The Holy Spirit is all I need to believe and have faith in!!

I totally agree with you!
Amen!

ok this happened about 5 years ago me my husband,and his nephew and a friend they were drinking , not the driver. they was saying something about the devils house in the mountians where alot of bad things had happened , well one of them said i think its right here well they said it looked like a house that was burnt to the ground , we decided to leave and i was scared to look out the window afraid i would see something we were driving it was dark no street lights there and all of a sudden the car died we had no head lights they got out except me and this guy stayed in the car they said the bungy cord was gone like someone had riped it off i was so scared i knew something bad was going to happen, well they changed battries and was leaving and the car lights was going on and off my husband said drive and fast lets get out of here well we made it out of there and when we got home we were talking about it and his nephew said i think we brought the spirit with us then the fire alarms in the house started going off when we didnt talk about it it was ok but when we talked about it they would fo off again. the car messed up after that, both battries were good he changed the battries back and they worked good . i was scared to death........:eek: :(

I do.


Once I was in the car alone, windows closed, and i felt a breeze and smelled my friend (who was killed in 2001) 's cologne for just a second. My great aunt also smelled her mother's perfume after she died when she was alone and outside the house.

I do.

I think my nunna is with us a lot. She was very close to my daughter who was only 2 when her nunna died. She was the only little girl she had ever had (we didn't spend a lot of time with her when we were kids) and I think hat even though she's "gone" she's still around my daughter a lot.

ONE TIME IN MY ROOM I WAS SCARED BECAUSE I WAS ALONE AT THE HOUSE AND A COLD WIND WENT PAST ME.

SO YEAH, I BELIEVE IN SPIRITS.

Originally posted by Kristina
ONE TIME IN MY ROOM I WAS SCARED BECAUSE I WAS ALONE AT THE HOUSE AND A COLD WIND WENT PAST ME.

SO YEAH, I BELIEVE IN SPIRITS.
:rofl:

Originally posted by Kristina
ONE TIME IN MY ROOM I WAS SCARED BECAUSE I WAS ALONE AT THE HOUSE AND A COLD WIND WENT PAST ME.

SO YEAH, I BELIEVE IN SPIRITS.

Well, I was actually joking about that. Obviously. But yes, I do believe in spirits. In 1990 when I was four (I still remember this very clearly) I remember waking up in the middle of the night. I was playing with my toy phone and I swear to god I heard voices on it, people were talking. I don't remember what they were saying, nor did I really understand it. I was so scared. I went to wake up my mom and saw an old lady standing right in front of my window. I know it sounds corny, but it's true. I told my family that day and nobody believed me, they told me I was dreaming. Either that or because I was so young they thought I was making it up. I don't live in that house anymore but the memory has stuck with me, it was so weird. I remember what the old lady looked like too. She had the typical white curly hairstyle, she had on these rather large sunglasses at night, and a yellow dress. It seems so farfetched but I still believe it really happened, it was so scary.

This house is haunted by my moms dad. I don't care to go into too much detail about why because you'll think my mom is a lunatic but whenever I'm alone I always seem to think about him. I've never met him in my life, he died a long time ago. There have been some weird dreams that have gone on in a bedroom. My mom is so afraid she sleeps on the couch. That's the master bedroom (it also has a bath in there). Well anyways, I used to sleep in there and one time at night (probably around 96 or 97) I heard the bath tub filling up, I was alone in the room and my mom and dad were at Tahoe. My brother was there. Anyways, the door to the bathroom was closed and I heard it, it took me awhile to get up because I was so scared but when I finally got the courage I RAN out of there as fast I possibly could and went into my brothers room crying. I asked him if I could stay in there until it was morning and he said yes, he was on the bed and I just sat on the floor all night until it was light outside. I kept telling him to stay up with me because I was scared but he eventually fell asleep.

Anyways, weird dreams occur in that room as well. My brother, my mom, and me have all had strange dreams in there. Not just strange, really strange. Me and my mom have both had earthquake dreams. Yeah, while we're awake actually. Or so it seems. But the time with my mom she was mad at me that night and went upstairs to sleep. So while she was up there apparently she had an earthquake type of expierence similar to the one I had a few years before, I was on the couch watching TV. I saw a man come to the door, I don't know who he was. He was a shadow. It looked like he kept getting closer to coming in and I was crying to afraid to scream for my mom to help me, she came out less than a minute later panicing about an earthquake. Her dad haunts that room. He was an evil man when he was alive, too. It's really scary.

I've even had sleep paralysis in there. It's strange. I think I've talked about my dad haunting the room before, but just thought I'd share it again.

Speaking of which, has anyone here ever had sleep paralysis? It's pretty weird. Click here (http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P2.html) for information about it. With me I had a nightmare and woke up, while awake I found I couldn't move or say anything. I felt like I was sinking into the bed and I couldn't do anything to stop it. It's happened a couple times and only in my moms bedroom, everytime it felt like I was sinking into the bed.

I know that ghosts are real and i kind of wish i didnt because im so scared of them. i am SO ****ing scared to even be alone in the dark. i always just know that something is gonna jump out and get me. my brother locks me in pitch dark rooms sometimes and i scream so friggan loud.

when i go into a room im scared the door will shut . or i will see someone in the mirror, or as im getting into bed i think someone will grab my leg . im gonna be scared tonight :eek: :confused:

I dont because if you had a spirit then you couldnt be broken. But when someone gets hit in the head or brain damage there distorted and dont got a sense of anything so the brain controls everything. A spirit if there was would be solid and its not. And i believe when u die u just die and thats it you stop existing

Originally posted by Henry727
I dont because if you had a spirit then you couldnt be broken. But when someone gets hit in the head or brain damage there distorted and dont got a sense of anything so the brain controls everything. A spirit if there was would be solid and its not. And i believe when u die u just die and thats it you stop existing

So, we just die and that's it... I don't believe I understand.
Could you clarify a little please?

Your hearts stops, your brain ceases to function, and you become worm food. Happens to all of us and no one is immune. You don't fly out of your body and swirl around up into "heaven" either. :rolleyes: And there's no hell, so you're in no danger. All this stuff was made up in order to create order in a society many years ago where things could not be explained scientifically. You're bad..you go to a place called "hell" and burn for millions of years. :rolleyes: You're good, and you swirl around in the sky for millions of years. :rolleyes: It's all bull****. Like virgins having babies from ghosts up in the sky. :D

Your all's stories are spooking me out but I nevertheless think they are funny and a riot. Have you guys been watching too much witch shows like "Angel, Buffy, Charmed, X-Files."!!

Originally posted by Moe D'Lawn
Your hearts stops, your brain ceases to function, and you become worm food. Happens to all of us and no one is immune. You don't fly out of your body and swirl around up into "heaven" either. :rolleyes: And there's no hell, so you're in no danger. All this stuff was made up in order to create order in a society many years ago where things could not be explained scientifically. You're bad..you go to a place called "hell" and burn for millions of years. :rolleyes: You're good, and you swirl around in the sky for millions of years. :rolleyes: It's all bull****. Like virgins having babies from ghosts up in the sky. :D

"Look at your computer... look at the keyboard.. see the speakers? See how it all fits together so perfectly. I mean, what kind of awesome being created such an out of this world tool? It's so well constructed."

"How did it get here?"

"How, it just happened."

That's about how i feel about us. We are put together too perfectly to have just "happened." I know there is a God and that he sent his son Jesus to die for our sins. I know this cause of what is in my heart and because of what God has done for me in my life. I have seen too many miracles happen and too many prayers answered to not. That is my belief.

One thing you said is wrong though. Being good doesn't get you into heaven. There are a lot of good people that are going to go to hell. It's being saved that gets you into heaven. You can't work your way into heaven.

Originally posted by JoJoJoJoJoJoJoJoJo
"Look at your computer... look at the keyboard.. see the speakers? See how it all fits together so perfectly. I mean, what kind of awesome being created such an out of this world tool? It's so well constructed."

"How did it get here?"

"How, it just happened."

That's about how i feel about us. We are put together too perfectly to have just "happened." I know there is a God and that he sent his son Jesus to die for our sins. I know this cause of what is in my heart and because of what God has done for me in my life. I have seen too many miracles happen and too many prayers answered to not. That is my belief.

One thing you said is wrong though. Being good doesn't get you into heaven. There are a lot of good people that are going to go to hell. It's being saved that gets you into heaven. You can't work your way into heaven.

:clap: Well said.

Anyways, I've only had one experience with a spirit. I believe it was an evil one too. I was like 4 or 5 when it happened. I was playing in my room alone and this black shadow(it looked lke a mini Grim Reaper) thing came into my room. I was screaming and crying and my dad came in and I just kept screaming. So he took something and started swinging it around trying to scare the thing away. And eventually it flew out the side door. I still remember that day so clearly. And it still scares me. But after that, I never saw anything ever again.

Originally posted by Moe D'Lawn
Your hearts stops, your brain ceases to function, and you become worm food. Happens to all of us and no one is immune. You don't fly out of your body and swirl around up into "heaven" either. :rolleyes: And there's no hell, so you're in no danger. All this stuff was made up in order to create order in a society many years ago where things could not be explained scientifically. You're bad..you go to a place called "hell" and burn for millions of years. :rolleyes: You're good, and you swirl around in the sky for millions of years. :rolleyes: It's all bull****. Like virgins having babies from ghosts up in the sky. :D

If all this stuff was made up, then how come there is so many Christians in the world? If all this stuff was made up, how did you and I get here? The Big Bang theory is what's stupid.... How in the world could I believe crap like that? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If the Bible was made-up, then like I asked before: How come there are so many Christians?
If you will look in my avatar, there are five TRUE Christians there and there are MILLIONS more in this world that was created by my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ.

God Bless each and everyone of you and have a heavenly day!

Originally posted by JoJoJoJoJoJoJoJoJo
"Look at your computer... look at the keyboard.. see the speakers? See how it all fits together so perfectly. I mean, what kind of awesome being created such an out of this world tool? It's so well constructed."

"How did it get here?"

"How, it just happened."

That's about how i feel about us. We are put together too perfectly to have just "happened." I know there is a God and that he sent his son Jesus to die for our sins. I know this cause of what is in my heart and because of what God has done for me in my life. I have seen too many miracles happen and too many prayers answered to not. That is my belief.

One thing you said is wrong though. Being good doesn't get you into heaven. There are a lot of good people that are going to go to hell. It's being saved that gets you into heaven. You can't work your way into heaven.


AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's what I like to read. You are a true Christian & I thank God for people like you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DLQSfan
[B]If the Bible was made-up, then like I asked before: How come there are so many Christians?
If you will look in my avatar, there are five TRUE Christians there and there are MILLIONS more in this world that was created by my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ.

QUOTE]

I don't really know why Christians continue to believe fairy tales and myths, but they have every right to. It's probably easier to lay it all on a fictional "Sky Daddy" than to live one's life fearlessly without that particular security blanket of "faith." There are many people such as myself who simply suspend the belief in Gods and Goddesses and fairies and things simply because common sense tells me there isn't a "man" living up in the sky who can hear the silent prayers of BILLIONS of people all at once. Nor do I believe a woman becomes pregnant without having intercourse with a man. I know how kids come into the world because I have 5 of my own. In order to call myself a "christian" I would have to believe nonsense stories like this, and Adam and Eve, etc. When Christians are asked to explain these things, they all say the same thing "I was TAUGHT this" or "This is the way it always was." They can't seem to tell me how Adam and Eve, who had two SONS, begat all the rest of humankind. Did the sons breed with the mother? All pictures of Adam and Eve show they have belly buttons, too. That's rather strange seeing a ghost went "POOOF" and there stood a man named Adam. And...then we get into the dinosaurs....that appeared millions of years before the fictional Jesus "son of God." In all actuality, Mary was ashamed of her pregnancy by a Roman Soldier, and lied to Joseph--making up the story she had become pregnant by the Great Spirit. Since the bible was written by men who were intoxicated by great amounts of wine (water was unsafe back then) they heard "voices" and said it was God. Perhaps a Christian can tell me at what point God stopped speaking out loud so that people could write down what he's saying? Of course I expect no answers to these questions, because Christians have no answers. They usually just say "we're right and you need to be "saved." I would say they need "saving" from these lies and silly stories. But...to each his own! ~~Moe

Originally posted by DLQSfan

If you will look in my avatar, there are five TRUE Christians there and there are MILLIONS more in this world that was created by my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ.


Hey! Your avatar is cool, because I'm marrying a Doyle from Newfoundland. :cool: :)

I'm a proud Christian & what you call "nonsense" is EXACTLY what I believe. One more question, how did we get hear on Earth & how did earth get here?

Thanks for the answers!
DLQSfan -

God Bless You!

-Just in case you are wondering I just said a prayer for you!

Originally posted by Moe D'Lawn

I don't really know why Christians continue to believe fairy tales and myths, but they have every right to. It's probably easier to lay it all on a fictional "Sky Daddy" than to live one's life fearlessly without that particular security blanket of "faith." There are many people such as myself who simply suspend the belief in Gods and Goddesses and fairies and things simply because common sense tells me there isn't a "man" living up in the sky who can hear the silent prayers of BILLIONS of people all at once. Nor do I believe a woman becomes pregnant without having intercourse with a man. I know how kids come into the world because I have 5 of my own. In order to call myself a "christian" I would have to believe nonsense stories like this, and Adam and Eve, etc. When Christians are asked to explain these things, they all say the same thing "I was TAUGHT this" or "This is the way it always was." They can't seem to tell me how Adam and Eve, who had two SONS, begat all the rest of humankind. Did the sons breed with the mother? All pictures of Adam and Eve show they have belly buttons, too. That's rather strange seeing a ghost went "POOOF" and there stood a man named Adam. And...then we get into the dinosaurs....that appeared millions of years before the fictional Jesus "son of God." In all actuality, Mary was ashamed of her pregnancy by a Roman Soldier, and lied to Joseph--making up the story she had become pregnant by the Great Spirit. Since the bible was written by men who were intoxicated by great amounts of wine (water was unsafe back then) they heard "voices" and said it was God. Perhaps a Christian can tell me at what point God stopped speaking out loud so that people could write down what he's saying? Of course I expect no answers to these questions, because Christians have no answers. They usually just say "we're right and you need to be "saved." I would say they need "saving" from these lies and silly stories. But...to each his own! ~~Moe

Why don't you discuss this topic in Dan's God or Evolution (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73225) thread, over in the Current Events/Politics board?

Originally posted by DLQSfan
One more question, how did we get hear on Earth & how did earth get here?



How did we get here? We got here from a process that perhaps you heard about in school. The process is called evolution. This happened after something called "The Big Bang" when there was a collision of planets and matter in the solor system. The planet earth is the only planet we know that can sustain life. Simple organisms with one cell became more complex organisms. The great creatures known as dinosaurs roamed the earth until what appreared to be a large asteroid hitting the earth wiped them out. The process began anew. Man evolved from apes, whose bodies adapted and changed physically to meet climate and other demands. It's basically all the science books. Another question Christians can't seem to answer is "Where did God come from?" He was just floating in the sky for several billion years ignoring the dinosaurs and dreaming up "man" I suppose. And the story gets sillier and sillier! :rolleyes:

I had that thread in the back of my mind while typing some of my stuff, but I'm not going to argue over religion! I don't believe in getting up in people's faces and saying You're wrong, I'm right, get over it! That's not my style!

DLQSfan

Originally posted by Moe D'Lawn
How did we get here? We got here from a process that perhaps you heard about in school. The process is called evolution. This happened after something called "The Big Bang" when there was a collision of planets and matter in the solor system. The planet earth is the only planet we know that can sustain life. Simple organisms with one cell became more complex organisms. The great creatures known as dinosaurs roamed the earth until what appreared to be a large asteroid hitting the earth wiped them out. The process began anew. Man evolved from apes, whose bodies adapted and changed physically to meet climate and other demands. It's basically all the science books. Another question Christians can't seem to answer is "Where did God come from?" He was just floating in the sky for several billion years ignoring the dinosaurs and dreaming up "man" I suppose. And the story gets sillier and sillier! :rolleyes:


Thank you for those answers. HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?? When you ask someone where God came from they can't give you an answer and they never will because we as Christians aren't suppose to question God & there is a thing in our religion called FAITH and that's all I need besides being saved!

For everyone that doesnt understand how it is when your dead, remember how it was when you were sleeping last night and you werent dreaming anything. Where you feeling anything or existing, no. Thats how being dead is its like your sleeping without dreaming. Are you floating around at night, no you dont feel anything or know whats happening outside like when you die.
And also how can you belive in the bible written by people you dont even know and take it so seriously about what happens to you after you die for an eternity. If i went up to you in the street and just walked up to you and said when you die your spirit goes on to a better place to live for an eternity and just walked away you would there was something chronically wrong with me and yet you do the same thing by a reading a book written by people you dont know and beliveing it so strongly.

Originally posted by Moe D'Lawn
Your hearts stops, your brain ceases to function, and you become worm food. Happens to all of us and no one is immune. You don't fly out of your body and swirl around up into "heaven" either. :rolleyes: And there's no hell, so you're in no danger. All this stuff was made up in order to create order in a society many years ago where things could not be explained scientifically. You're bad..you go to a place called "hell" and burn for millions of years. :rolleyes: You're good, and you swirl around in the sky for millions of years. :rolleyes: It's all bull****. Like virgins having babies from ghosts up in the sky. :D
It HAS been practically proven that ghosts exist.

Originally posted by DLQSfan
Thank you for those answers. HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?? When you ask someone where God came from they can't give you an answer and they never will because we as Christians aren't suppose to question God & there is a thing in our religion called FAITH and that's all I need besides being saved!

That's just the answer that's expected. If "faith" means believing nonsense stories that developed from people being scared of phenomenon over which they had no control, nor any information, then I continue with my good sense not to have any "faith." :lol: Ladies get pregnant from intercourse with humans, not ghosts. No amount of "faith" can make babies come from 2 people not having sexual intercourse with penetration by a penis, and dispersion of sperm. Mary DID do all that, perhaps...but it sure as hell wasn't with any "God." :wave:

Originally posted by DLQSfan
If all this stuff was made up, then how come there is so many Christians in the world? If all this stuff was made up, how did you and I get here? The Big Bang theory is what's stupid.... How in the world could I believe crap like that? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Why dont you let people have their own beliefs instead of rolling your eyes at them? i disagree with moe d'lawn about spirits and stated what i think is true but i dont believe in god either. why dont you ****ing PROVE that hes real? not that you cant think he's real but youre acting like he's your uncle or something.

Originally posted by safety pin
Why dont you let people have their own beliefs instead of rolling your eyes at them? i disagree with moe d'lawn about spirits and stated what i think is true but i dont believe in god either. why dont you ****ing PROVE that hes real? not that you cant think he's real but youre acting like he's your uncle or something.

Fine, I'll leave this thread! I'm sorry I even got on here and posted. I'll leave all of ya'll alone and maybe some one else can do a better job than I. I'm not really rolling my eyes, it's just a stupid symbol. I'm leaving this thread!

Good bye & God Bless!

-He's not my uncle, but he is my Savior, and I stand up for what I believe in, but I'm leaving (not because I'm a sissy) because there is no point in arguing with people who won't listen.

Originally posted by Moe D'Lawn
How did we get here? We got here from a process that perhaps you heard about in school. The process is called evolution. This happened after something called "The Big Bang" when there was a collision of planets and matter in the solor system.

There is no HARD scientific facts supporting that theory either... that is a theory. You have the same "faith" in this "fairy tale" as what you say we have. It is all a matter of the heart. The Bible is full of mysteries... Adam and Eve's children had wives.. where did they come from? How did Noah and his family created life again when they were the only ones left after the Great Flood. No one knows. Only God. What I DO KNOW is that God created me for a purpose, and that purpose wasn't to make money and leave my children behind lots of money. It was to live for Him and to share the Word with non-believers. That is my purpose for being here. The choice to accept Him is completely yours.

Originally posted by JoJoJoJoJoJoJoJoJo
There is no HARD scientific facts supporting that theory either... that is a theory. You have the same "faith" in this "fairy tale" as what you say we have. It is all a matter of the heart. The Bible is full of mysteries... Adam and Eve's children had wives.. where did they come from? How did Noah and his family created life again when they were the only ones left after the Great Flood. No one knows. Only God. What I DO KNOW is that God created me for a purpose, and that purpose wasn't to make money and leave my children behind lots of money. It was to live for Him and to share the Word with non-believers. That is my purpose for being here. The choice to accept Him is completely yours.

I know I said I was leaving the thread, but I didn't mean that I wasn't going to read it anymore and I saw this post and just had to reply:
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even though this post probably won't do any good, JoJoJoJoJoJoJoJoJo, you have a nice way of putting things.
I'm only going to reply to posts like the above or if I feel there is something God is leading me to say.

Originally posted by DLQSfan

-He's not my uncle, but he is my Savior, and I stand up for what I believe in, but I'm leaving (not because I'm a sissy) because there is no point in arguing with people who won't listen.

Well since you're leaving (not because you're a sissy of course...it's just evident you can't explain virgin birth, etc. I get it...;) ) then I can't ask you what you did that you need to be "saved." Man...sounds serious!! Did it involve jail time? :D Anyway, babies are born atheists. Put a group of toddlers of all faiths in a playgroup and they have a GREAT time. They don't quibble over this nonsense. They have to TAUGHT this stuff from parents, or babble-school or whathaveyou. All the world's pain, violence and suffering has a root of RELIGION. There isn't just ONE God, there are hundreds, according to the world's believers. For Christians to say "There is ONLY ONE GOD!" is not only arrogant, it's downright disrespectful to any higher power they profess to believe in. Such is the "Fundy-Christian" way of getting their point across:

The Bible Says So!!

You Need to be SAVED!!!

There is ONLY ONE LORD!!

Phhht!! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by safety pin
It HAS been practically proven that ghosts exist.

I haven't heard of such a thing. There are theories about paranormal events, but proof? Not that I know of. Unless you're watching those "Fox" specials that claim there really was a "Great Caesar's GHOST!" :eek!: But I will say that the only way I personally will believe in ghosts is if one jumps out and bites my ass. Then I may consider it. Hear that, ghosts???!! :D

Originally posted by Moe D'Lawn
Well since you're leaving (not because you're a sissy of course...it's just evident you can't explain virgin birth, etc. I get it...;) ) then I can't ask you what you did that you need to be "saved." Man...sounds serious!! Did it involve jail time? :D Anyway, babies are born atheists. Put a group of toddlers of all faiths in a playgroup and they have a GREAT time. They don't quibble over this nonsense. They have to TAUGHT this stuff from parents, or babble-school or whathaveyou. All the world's pain, violence and suffering has a root of RELIGION. There isn't just ONE God, there are hundreds, according to the world's believers. For Christians to say "There is ONLY ONE GOD!" is not only arrogant, it's downright disrespectful to any higher power they profess to believe in. Such is the "Fundy-Christian" way of getting their point across:

The Bible Says So!!

You Need to be SAVED!!!

There is ONLY ONE LORD!!

Phhht!! :rolleyes:

It is obvious that you have never once studied the Bible or looked deeper into Christianity. It is obvious that you were "taught" this way of belief. Who is to say that your way of thinking is better than ours? We are SAVED from our SINS. Mary gave virgin birth because God decided that the time Jesus was to be born was at a time when Mary WAS NOT married. If Mary had had sex with Joseph to make that child, the child would have been born in sin (sex before marriage is a sin-fornification (sp?)) Joseph and Mary were both scared to death; Joseph was going to leave Mary, but God TESTED THEIR FAITH and told Joseph to stay with Mary, and he did, and he was blessed greatly. Jesus was born to a virgin mother to SET HIM APART; to show what miracles God could create, because up to this point only a hand ful of people worshipped God, most people worshipped idols. Children are Gods gift to us. Therefore we are suppose to take that gift and give it back to the Lord by teaching it about the love of God, nurchering (sp) him/her with God's love, and teaching it from the word of God. RELIGION may be the root of evil, but God is NOT religion. God is love. In heaven there will be NO RELIGION, but only a constant surrounding of God and his love and people that love and follow him. There are tons of god's out there... but only one GOD (notice the captilization) gods are fictious characters in greek stories, God is our father. I do not sit here and make fun of other people because they do not believe in what I believe in (unlike what you are doing). I pray for them and reach to them when God makes them ready. God gave us free will. Sometimes it is ourselves who make our hearts too hard to accept his love.

Where did I say my beliefs are "better than yours??" If anything, you're trying to get me to be on your side and believe there is only ONE GOD. Why is YOUR God the ONLY one?? That's very arrogant of you to assume, isn't it? "Make fun"? Nope, just pointing out some silly things. I must have hit your achilles heel though. Does challenging your own belief system make you uncomfortable? Seems like it does. So-- I was a "Christian" until I examined the absurdity of it all--the ridiculousness of virgin birth, and a man- ghost in the sky answering people's prayers etc. etc. The story of Joseph and Mary is obviously (for the intelligent person who knows where babies come from )pure fiction. If your cousin or sister came to you one afternoon and said "Guess what!? I am pregnant! And I never had sexual intercourse with a human man!!" you'd have her locked up in a mental ward. If you saw someone claiming he prayed to a Purple BunnyRabbit in the park and things came true, you'd probably have that person sent to a mental ward as well. But because this religious stuff has been perpetuated, through repetition of myth, for 2000 years, people keep believing it. The major reason people believe in God is because THEY ARE AFRAID **NOT TO.** In your post you speak of fornication as being sinful. But it's OK for "God" to RAPE the fiance of another man in order to beget a child?????. That my friend goes beyond faith into "loopy-land." Explain your way outta that one...how does GOD get away with rape and fornication when he says it's WRONG???? When did Mary have a say in all this stuff (if you believe it, of course...which I don't)? Did God give Mary Child support payments? Why did God have his only son die a slow painful and bloody death. This "God" sounds like a real shmuck to me. He shouldn't call himself a man at all. And-- I ain't buyin'.....
:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Henry727
For everyone that doesnt understand how it is when your dead, remember how it was when you were sleeping last night and you werent dreaming anything. Where you feeling anything or existing, no. Thats how being dead is its like your sleeping without dreaming. Are you floating around at night, no you dont feel anything or know whats happening outside like when you die.

Are you dead?

Loopy-Land?

Believing that everything that we know today; planent earth, animals, plants, the universe, the billions and billions of galaxies in space, the sun and the moon how they seem to set and rise perfectly, our brains, how they work in ways that we do not even completely know about yet; that all of that came from a tiny spec of dust that blew up. That to me is "loopy-land".

I believe in God. I believe the Bible is the Word of God. I am sorry that your only response to that is "loopyland", but I suppose that just shows where you are "uncomfortable" having your belief challenged.

I'm not dead but thats how its gonna be for everyone when their dead and no one is special.

I am sorry that your only response to that is "loopyland",


What...you chose to just read that one line in my post above? Because I presented a FULL post. That was not my "only response." It was the line you chose to remark upon because *you have NO response to what I said!* So lemme get this straight: You don't believe in specs of dust forming the earth, but you believe there was a MAN-GHOST hangin' around in the sky (for how long? Billions of years?) just waiting to create the earth and all its creatures (even though they're STILL discovering new species of animals and insects TO THIS DAY)....in 6 days. Okeeeee! BTW, since I HAVE no belief (atheists suspend the belief in gods and goddesses), it *cannot be challenged* because it doesn't *exist.* I am FULLY comfortable with anyone asking me questions and I can FULLY defend myself. You haven't gotten that concept yet...and that's ok, really. You didn't answer my queries on virgin birth, so obviously that has puzzled you....probably the part in which I asked you to relate it to today and put a friend in the pregnancy scenario. I asked, and you didn't answer, this question:

:how does GOD get away with rape and fornication when he says it's WRONG????

If God is omnipotent....and still potent (he may need some Viagra at this point because he's....how old now?? Well...older than George Burns! :D ) he COULD knock up another mortal woman without her consent AGAIN in the middle of the night. So you'd better be on birth control if you're female and Christian! Woo! Scary thought!! The only real religious truths I know are:

a. Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.
b. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian
faith.
c. Baptists do not recognize each other in the liquor store or at
Hooters

:lol: :lol: :lol: :wave: How true is THAT!

all of that came from a tiny spec of dust that blew up

Well maybe that's your problem...you see...that's NOT what happened. Some science books at the library or a glance at the information posted in this thread may help you: http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73225

Originally posted by jennymae
if you have tell your story. i belive in sprits my mom loved roses, my mom past away in oct 2003 and i smell roses alot .its just her way of letting me know she is with me.

I believe in the Ghost of Getalifeboy! :lol: :crazy:

Originally posted by Jenya
I believe in the Ghost of Getalifeboy! :lol: :crazy: :crazy: :lol: :happyface :wave:

delete me

oh my god this thread is so stupid now. why dont you just let people believe in what they blieve in!

Originally posted by Moe D'Lawn
So-- I was a "Christian" until I examined the absurdity of it all--the ridiculousness of virgin birth, and a man- ghost in the sky answering people's prayers etc. etc.

Everything you've written has been well said. You're obviously kicking the asses of the people who are debating you.

I can relate. I went to a Protestant Christian school 13 years. I was a Christian. Why? Because when you tell a 5 year old that if they don't believe in God, "You're going to burn in hell forever," of course they're going to believe. Not because they necessarily understand what you're having them believe, but because most 5 year olds don't have the mental capacity to question it. Eventually, it's going to become so ingrained in your mind that you're afraid not to believe it's true. (Known by most competent people as brainwashing.)

But in my opinion, the Bible is a bunch of B.S. Did you all know that the Bible says menstruation is impure and you're not supposed to have contact with a menstruating woman? And after a woman finishes menstruating she's supposed to take 2 doves to a priest?

very true safty pin , i can belive what i want you have no right to make fun or judge me , if its any of your business... some people needs that to reminde then of a love one you dont know what i have been through so....

I can't seem to quote using the [QUOTE] thing..so this post is in response to laceyinthesky :wave:

'"Everything you've written has been well said. You're obviously kicking the asses of the people who are debating you."

Well...I enjoy some good heated discussion on religion. It's good for the soul. Although there are too many kids here to really get into any intelligent conversation with it. They've vanished because they don't know how to debate it. See next point:

"... most 5 year olds don't have the mental capacity to question it. Eventually, it's going to become so ingrained in your mind that you're afraid not to believe it's true. (Known by most competent people as brainwashing.)"

That's why religion sucks. It's just that...brainwashing.

" But in my opinion, the Bible is a bunch of B.S. Did you all know that the Bible says menstruation is impure and you're not supposed to have contact with a menstruating woman? And after a woman finishes menstruating she's supposed to take 2 doves to a priest?"

LOL! So much nonsense, so little time. Woudn't the priests prefer a trip to "Neverland"? :big grin:Tell me..have you considered becoming a "Humanist"?

[B]Humanism[B]

Humanism encompasses atheists and agnostics, but it is an active philosophy far greater than these passive responses to one particular idea. With an approach to life based on humanity and reason, humanists recognise that moral values are properly founded on human nature and experience alone. We value the truth, and consider facts as well as feelings in reaching a judgement. Humanists reject the idea of any supernatural agency intervening to help or hinder us. Evidence shows that we have only one life, and humanists grasp the opportunity to live it to the full.

Humanists retain faith in the idea that people can and will continue to solve problems, and that quality of life can be improved and made more equitable. Humanists are positive, gaining inspiration from a rich natural world, our lives and culture.

Humanist thought found particular expression during the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, and in the scientific, social and political revolutions of the modern age. Many people are tacit humanists, reaching similar conclusions without meeting like-minded people or reading particular texts, because these ideas are founded on knowledge, not beliefs.

Humanists think that:

this world and this life are all we have;
we should try to live full and happy lives ourselves and, as part of this, make it easier for other people to do the same;
all situations and people deserve to be judged on their merits by standards of reason and humanity;
individuality and social cooperation are equally important.

Interesting stuff that MAKES SENSE!!
:wave:

I believe in some. Has anyone else read the book "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil"?

Moe D Lawn , do you belive in sprits ?could you tell me where in the Bible it say about a woman menestration when sex is forblden during that ? i have been told that also ..

Originally posted by jennymae
Moe D Lawn , do you belive in sprits ?could you tell me where in the Bible it say about a woman menestration when sex is forblden during that ? i have been told that also ..

Hi Jennymae :wave:

I stated earlier on that no, I do not believe in ghosts, fairies, or spirits. Looking back on the thread, you'll see it wasn't me who brought up the subject of menstruation and the bible--but i did just find this: ---Lev 18:19 Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her
nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.---
But I will tell you what I know. Many things that caused sickness or unpleasantness back in bibilical times were looked upon as "evil" or "unclean." People did not understand why a woman bled from her vagina on a monthly basis, so this action was seen by MEN as an "unclean" function. To this very day, in the Orthodox and Hassidic Jewish religions, a woman must totally cleanse her body head to toe in what is called a "mikvah" or ritual bath after her menses. Her husband is NOT allowed to touch her, or have sex with her at any time during her period, or until she takes this bath. The eating of pork is also prohibted in Jewish faith. This probably came about thousands of years ago, when people did not know about food safty and cooking meat properly. People probably became sick and died from the parasite called trichconae. Now isn't it strange that GOD CREATED menstruation, and pork/pigs--but people made up that God said they were dangerous?? All because they did not understand them?? Is God so silly that he doesn't understand the workings of his OWN creations, and TELL people about them?? This is how religion controls people's lives in ridiculous ways. If you're a Jehovah's Witness, for example, you could not dance, or have a drink, or even receive presents at Christmas, or on your birthday. Religion to me is all about sadness, oppression, and ancient reasoning. Hope that helps you! ~~Moe

yes thank you ... but in some peoples lives after a tragic and wrong doing it does help me in someways to belive my mom's spritds are near me , i live everyday of my life waking up and thinking of all the things that happened to her the day she died , it was tourte and violent. im having a hard time excepying she is gone except in our memories and hearts . i dont know what i need to do to helop this matter in my life , my marriage is on edge my kids is in denile . any comments . thank you

You can feel free to believe in spirits if that helps you. I just know that I personally don't have to, nor do I feel a need to. Religious belief and the belief in afterlife can be separated, too. A person can believe in ghosts, and perhaps not believe in God, and vice versa. There are many people who claim their loved ones come to them in spirit form after death. Psychologists usually say this is very normal behaviour to think they do. It's a way of coping. So whatever gets you through should be ok...I am not saying there's ever anything WRONG with believing these things, but to me, personally, it's just silly. :)

thank you for your reply , its very helpfull to me , i do belive in God. could i ask your age ? i am 38 thanks