I'm bored with not seeing many new posts. If you are a UM fan surely you can post something.Please?

Tired of seeing my own name too.:talk: :talk: LETS TALK:argue: :gossip LETS FIGHT :bored: :singer:LETS GET KINKY..... :fart:

Yes, I agree and I've thought of something to post. Do you remember the story about Randal Utterback where he was stalking and kidnapped his girlfriend, then she escaped? The story said she was in hiding and I think he escaped from jail and was on the run. Does anybody know if he was caught? This is one of those cases where I figured he would be caught by now (hopefully he has been). Let me know if anyone finds out.

Also the story about Tommy Gibson, the 2 year old that disappeared from Oregon and his dad (a deputy sheriff) was later convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to only 3 YEARS in jail. I am curious as to what happened at the trial. They said his wife testified against him and his daughter said daddy hit Tommy until he fell down which was contrary to what they said on the UM segment. They never found his body but when I did a search about it, it directed me to this K9 rescue organization that has a list of the people they have found. Tommy's name is on the list and all it says is "we proved that Tommy's father killed him". I am very curious as to what they would have found. Anyone else's thoughts.....

Originally posted by canadianmysterygrl
Tired of seeing my own name too.:talk: :talk: LETS TALK:argue: :gossip LETS FIGHT :bored: :singer:LETS GET KINKY..... :fart:

ROFL! I'm sorry, but your post REALLY cracked me up.

We need some debate material here, that always makes boards active. :lol:

Last man who laughed at me is now fertilizing my roses.
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(He is the gardener)

I like your sentiment, but, sorry, discussing Unsolved Mysteries doesn't put me in a kinky mood.

However, I have a question. Hopefully it will liven up this board. I'll dedicate it to CanadianMysteryGrl.

My sister recently mentioned a segment on UM that she said really scared me to death at the time. I've (thankfully) repressed that segment; for every mystery, there is someone, somewhere, who holds the key. Perhaps it's someone on this message board. Perhaps...it's YOU!

She said it aired when I would have been in either junior high or just starting high school, so we're talking early 90s here. This glowing and hovering reddish-orange orb was haunting either a mansion or a regular house. She said it would just appear, hover for a few seconds, glowing in the darkness, and then float away.

Does anyone remember this? If it aired, I'm glad I've forgotten it!

Did anyone catch yesterday night's episode? I missed the first segment, but my god, there was nothing but "Lost Loves" stories the entire program!

I wonder why Lifetime can't give us information about upcoming episodes of UM that aren't their own? There's an episode guide filled with descriptions here, so that shouldn't be any problem! I still have to get a few segments to complete the "Scariest Cases of Unsolved Mysteries" tapes.

Say, what do you think is the scariest sketch you've ever seen on UM? I think mine would have to be the 3 composites they showed during a segment where armored vans were being held-up. (Sorry, I'm always obscure on my descriptions)

QUOTE: This glowing and hovering reddish-orange orb was haunting either a mansion or a regular house. She said it would just appear, hover for a few seconds, glowing in the darkness, and then float away. UNQUOTE



:winkgrin I KNOW THIS ONE I KNOW THIS ONE.:wave:

But it was a """glowering, hoovering, reddish-orange BLOB.""":livid:
It haunted my house REGULARLY , :cuss: hoovering periodically at will and recycling used paper towels from our garbage cans.... and it was for as much as 2 weeks at a time.....not mere seconds. It GLOWERED it did not GLOW. It didn't float away peacefully (floating is impossible to do at 345 pounds) :angryfire I had to cart it to the airport as it b*tched and whined the whole way.


This was my ex mother in law, Bertha. Thankfully, I was able to exorcise this fat poltergeist during the divorce. party: The chicken feet and bats wings I placed under our bed while she visited also worked as birth control and might have warded off my having children with her simple-minded son……the smell seemed to dampen our romantic adore. puke: I told him it was a catchy foot fungus.

Sidebar (Why did she insist on hennaing her wirey hair Lucille Ball red/ orange? It scared my dogs til they peed on her Wal-Mart tennis shoes. Also when she sweated, red henna ran all over her face making her look like the latest victim of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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There are definately a lot of different things that have been shown on Unsolved Mysteries and could be great discussion topics. I've posted a few, like about Kristi Krebs, Devin Williams and the three Native American teenagers. Kristi Krebs went missing after getting her car stuck in the mud while being deep in the forest. Devin Williams is the missing truck driver. The three Native American teenagers were involved in a car accident and two of the teenagers turned up dead under suspicious circumstances. Those are very interesting cases.

I must say I've seen these UM stories so many times, they don't scare me anymore. I watch my tapes of them late at night a lot. One I always thought was creepy though was the Cindy James. Can you imagine living alone and getting harassing and threatening phone calls late at night? Not to mention the attacks she suffered. Maybe I'm in the minority but I DO NOT think she did those things to herself. When she was found dead she had been hog tied and injected with a massive amount of drugs, yet there was no syringe around to indicate that she had injected herself. Do they think she injected herself that high an amount of drugs then drove across town so she could tie herself up? Ridiculous! The reporter they interviewed who wrote one of the books was clearly sceptical of Cindy James claims. He boasted that the "knot specialist" could tie himself up in the same position Cindy was found in when she died in 3 minutes. The only problem is that to the best of my knowledge, Cindy wasn't a knot specialist!

Cindy James is a case I have taken alot of interest in. I contacted Ozzie Kaban the PI she had hired and became close friends with.

I live very close to exactly where she lived in Richmond BC.
I am in Coquitlam, BC. (We are just so proud to have the massive serial killer cae of the Pig Farmer who was killing homeless women and hookers and allegedly feeding their remains to his pigs.....blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!...:barf: Turns me off pork pies.)......:eek2:

Roy Makepeace a south African Dr. who was Cindys ex hubby seems to have mysteriously disappeared. I wonder.....



Sidebar: Would you rather eat a sausage with a hookers tush in it or a hamburger with mad cow brains in it?
I am soooo crude......

That is very interesting! You say Roy Makepeace has disappeared? He didn't just go back to South Africa? What all has Ozzie Kaban told you about the case? Does he have any idea who was stalking her or does he think she was doing it herself? It would be very interesting to hear what you learned from him!

Originally posted by Mr. Roboto
Did anyone catch yesterday night's episode? I missed the first segment, but my god, there was nothing but "Lost Loves" stories the entire program!

I wonder why Lifetime can't give us information about upcoming episodes of UM that aren't their own? There's an episode guide filled with descriptions here, so that shouldn't be any problem! I still have to get a few segments to complete the "Scariest Cases of Unsolved Mysteries" tapes.

Say, what do you think is the scariest sketch you've ever seen on UM? I think mine would have to be the 3 composites they showed during a segment where armored vans were being held-up. (Sorry, I'm always obscure on my descriptions)

Last night's episode, let's face it, SUCKED! The only good story was the first story where a Mayoral candidate was gunned down in East Chicago, IN in 1981 by the police chief. I turned UM off after that case.

So far I have leaned NOTHING NEW from Mr Kaban.

Someone was looking for Dr. Roy Makepeace in connection with something else and he cannot be found.

I think Cindy James did make up aot of the stuff personally and I think she was mentally ill and wanted attention but I am not certain that in the end she killed herself alone. I think she had someone tie her up and it maybe went wrong and she was not found as she had planned. Do you have both books? I used to but gave them away. I wanted to know her parents names.

James was a name she assumed.

Has anyone seen my ex Mother in Law Bertha?

Yes, I have both books, but I loaned one of them out to a member of the UM board and never got it back. The one I still have is "Who Killed Cindy James" by Ian Mulgrew. Her parents names were Otto and Tilly (James I assume).

There are about 16pgs. of threads on this message board, so there should be plenty of topics to talk about. Right now, I'm going through some of my old tapes so I'll probably be talking more about a few cases on my mind. I'm looking for the Billy the kid segment, it was interesting, and a cop killing in the 60's when he got shot and killed through his window from his kitchen.

No there last name was something else. Could you look in your book and let me know? Cindy assumed the name James to avoid her "stalker/attacker".

Otto and Tilly Hack

Thanks alot.

I'm very glad to hear people mentioning the Cindy James case. That has always been one of my favorite scary cases from Unsolved Mysteries. I have read the book "The deaths of Cindy James" by Neal Hall (who was interviewed in the segment) but I have never read "Who killed Cindy James"

I'm guessing the books had to have been pretty similiar. Could you tell me the difference between the two?

And Roy Makepeace dissapearing, where did you hear that? If you have a link of that, please post it.

This case is very hard to break down. It seems, many times, that the finger could be pointed at Cindy who might have staged all those attacks against herself. Look at the horror she went through for 7 long years - Threatening phone calls constantly, hearing prowlers out in your yard at night, having your porch lights smashed, having your phone lines cut, having dead animals thrown in your yard, having threatening notes left on your door step and on the hood of your car, having your basement set on fire in the middle of the night, being phsically attacked and left for dead 5 times. All of this going on for seven straight years and the police never catching a culprit? That sounds very odd.

But of course, there were other instances that made it look as though she wasn't staging anything. Many times, she had a friend or family member over when she recieved a threatening phone call. There were several times when she had her best friends (Tom and Agnes Woodcock) over when all three heard prowlers outside in the yard setting off the burgler alarm. What do we make of that?

Her phone lines being cut was another strange fact. Cindy didn't know anything about electrical wires and certainly wouldn't have known which phone lines were hers and which ones were her downstairs and next door neighbors. Yet, it was her phone lines that always got cut and nobody else had the problem.

Her death scene was puzzling as well. It would have been impossible for her to inject herself with such a high amount of morphine drugs, tie a nylon stocking tightly around her neck and then actually bound her hands and feet together behind her back. With no siringes around, everyone pretty much believes that her body had to have been thrown in it's place; in the back yard of that abandoned house.

I guess it's possible, if she had some sort of mental illness or personality disorder that she could have hired someone to kill her and throw her body where it was found but there's still another angle there. Remember, she spent a full 10 weeks at a psyciatric hospital and saw a pyschotherapist in the years leading up to her death. Wouldn't they have found something wrong with her, like a personality disorder if that's what it was the case. They would have had plenty of time to find something wrong with her. Basically what they saw was a scared woman who was slowly going crazy because nobody believed that someone was making her life a living hell.

This case pretty much is an unexplained death case. We'll never know if she was murdered or if she actually committed suicide.

If all the torment and stalking really did happen, that's horrible. Can you actually imagine going through that many years of somebody trying to kill you and than have the police not believe you? Pretty freaky stuff.

My sourse about Makepeace is someone who knew him personally and knows the fellow who needed to find him regarding a real estate deal they were in together.

I agree that some things about Cindy James made it seem like she was a victim of some unknown attacker but I have concluded that much of the happenings were made up by her for attention. Now it could be she made up SOME of the things to bring more attention to the situations that WERE NOT caused by her.
She might have been a victimin the beginning then enjoyed the attention and made up more "crimes" to keep getting attention from men. She seemed to crave that.

The books were quite different if I recall correctly ...one saw her as a total victim of bad police work, I think and the other was more blaming her. Correct me, someone, if this is wrong.

I would read both books if I were you.

Really? That's very interesting. Now I'm going to have to try to get that other book to compare. I just hope I can find it on the web. The book I already have is listed on a ton of crime books web sites but I don't see the other one too often.

Staging all those attacks just for the attention from men does seem a little far fetched, but I guess it's possible. I just don't see what the point would be, however. Reading the book (The Death's of Cindy James) about her early life, growing up and even into adulthood, she grabbed the attention of men quite often just because she was beautiful. The book recalled many times where she was hit on before the the last hellish several years of her life. Getting attention before wasn't difficult, why start staging attacks on yourself just to get more of it?

If Cindy was indeed making up all of the events of her terrifying last 6 years of life, I don't think she did it for the attention. She probably did it just because she probably had lapped into mental illness - if that was the case.

There are too many facts that point to murder and too many that point to suicide, so I'm torn on what her fate actually was.

You can borrow my copy of "Who Killed Cindy James" if you want, let me know.

Really??? That would be great. Thank you so much.

Give me an e-mail at dynoguy88@yahoo.com

Thanks again!

Well, I agree if she did it she was mentally ill. I think the attention she wanted was not so much sexual but rather I think she wanted to feel more important and protected and perhaps enjoyed playing the part of a "victim" surrounded by men who would "save" her. Perhaps it WAS because she had sexual attention from men that she craved protection. She was attractive when she was younger but it was shocking how aged and haggard she looked later. She did look haunted and tormented.
These are only my ideas of course. I could be very wrong.

I couldn't agree more with that observation. She was very attractive when she was younger, but looked beyond her years that last couple of years of her life.

The cover of Neal Hall's book shows the perfect comparison. She looks horrible and very sad in that later picture. Yes, she did look very haunted and tormented.

Sad. Whatever happened it was a mess for her family too.

Yes, and she did have a very big family too. Besides her parents, she had 2 sisters, 3 brothers, 5 brothers and sisters in laws, nieces and nephews, etc. I forgot how far apart they lived in Canada but I think most of them lived somewhat close.

Her friends were pretty respectful in not pressuring her to give them details about her attacks, and I guess in a way, that's understandable. But I honestly don't know what I would do if I had a close friend that was going through her situation or a similiar situation. I would want to know every detail about what was going on with them and not knowing would drive me crazy.