View Full Version : Kessler to Kramer


Elaine Benes
12-10-2003, 04:26 PM
I just saw the pilot episode and I never heard Jerry refer to Kramer as Kessler. Am I missing it or was he really called Kramer the entire show?

Maestro
12-10-2003, 04:46 PM
I think he does in the 1st scene in 5A, when K reveals Met game results blowing Jerry's tape viewing.
Other than that he was called Kramer the whole time.
Just a little inconsistancy, because as we are discussing in The Betrayal, 11 years back when he 1st moves in, J calls him Kessler, & K corrects him to Kramer.

Word has it that when the pilot (001 Good News, Bad News) was readying to air, they still weren't sure what they were going to call K in the show and the TV guide listed him as Kessler.
Kind of like in the ep 63/64 The Pilot when Kramer says they can't use his name.

In 160 The Blood, Morty & Helen were in town for old Marvin Kessler's funeral. I think he was from Jerry's building.

This is all one for your insider's thread :)
It was a inside joke about which name to use, then they refer back to it later. Good stuff.

Brian Damage
12-10-2003, 07:19 PM
He must've said it because why would Jerry tie that in to the Betrayal?

Maestro
12-15-2003, 01:59 PM
I stand corrected re: the 1st TV Guide listing of K-man.
I just saw this on Mike's(TheNewsGuy) (http://membres.lycos.fr/tnguym/Seinfeld_2s.html) site, a pretty reliable source:

>>>In the TV Guide entry for this episode, his character is credited as Hoffman. I assume that this is the way it appeared in the script somewhere along the way. There were probably a number of name changes for this character, while Kenny Kramer was deciding whether or not his name could be used.<<<

Maestro
01-14-2004, 12:52 PM
-old thread/new thought-

I was thinking about 137 The Bizzarro Jerry one of the other threads...
Remember Kramer's bizzarro world counterpart;
KEVIN: "Yeah! Hey - hey guys! Elaine, sit down. These are a couple of my friends. Uh, this is Gene... and this guy, we... just call "Feldman!"

If they wanted to be really trick & insider, in 137 they should have named the bizzarro kramer Hoffman (see my last post). Only full seinGeeks would know and 'Hoffman' would have worked great.

sinatrastar
01-14-2004, 01:49 PM
You may have been the only one to get the Hoffman connection;)

I wondered why they gave the Kramer opposite a Newman sounding name (Feldman) and the Newman opposite a more Kramer-like name (Fargus).