I guess Fox really did listen to us, b/c I just got an email from tvshowsondvd.com saying that they're looking into bring season 2 out after all! From what I've heard, though, there won't be as many bonuses as the first season in the hopes that prices won't be so high. I know this is still very much speculation, but I figured I'd pass along this exciting news to fans!

Kristen

Originally posted by Kristen
I guess Fox really did listen to us, b/c I just got an email from tvshowsondvd.com saying that they're looking into bring season 2 out after all! From what I've heard, though, there won't be as many bonuses as the first season in the hopes that prices won't be so high. I know this is still very much speculation, but I figured I'd pass along this exciting news to fans!

Kristen

Hey, having the episodes on dvd is better than nothing, right? Let's hope they do decide to release the 2nd season because I'd sure love to have the rest of them released too.

If they do release the second season, I'll be sure to buy it. I own the first season, and it's bugging me that I can't own the rest. I'm the kind of person who wants all or none.

Originally posted by pandora_spocks
Hey, having the episodes on dvd is better than nothing, right? Let's hope they do decide to release the 2nd season because I'd sure love to have the rest of them released too.

Exactly, at this point it's "Take what you can get." I would be willing to shell out more for bonus material, but this is Fox's decision. It'd still be nice to see more uncut episodes.

Kristen

Originally posted by Kristen
Exactly, at this point it's "Take what you can get." I would be willing to shell out more for bonus material, but this is Fox's decision. It'd still be nice to see more uncut episodes.

Kristen

I'd rather have uncut dvd quality episodes. TV Networks like to cut out little things, but sometimes those little things can be the funniest thing in the world. For example: When lifetime cut out Rose singing "The Farmer In the Dell" to herself during the final episode I thought that was hilarious. I'm glad they at least decided to show some of the parts they cut out before. I personally like to watch a whole episode uncut because I'm experencing it the way it was suppose to be.

Originally posted by pandora_spocks
I'd rather have uncut dvd quality episodes. TV Networks like to cut out little things, but sometimes those little things can be the funniest thing in the world. For example: When lifetime cut out Rose singing "The Farmer In the Dell" to herself during the final episode I thought that was hilarious. I'm glad they at least decided to show some of the parts they cut out before. I personally like to watch a whole episode uncut because I'm experencing it the way it was suppose to be.

That's how NewsRadio is. The first season is so cut-up in syndication, that I can't watch it. Most of my favorite scenes are cut out. Thankfully, it's being released on DVD next year.

Here's hoping Kirsten!
I wrote to 20th Century Fox and they didn't even bother to reply!

With news that Season 2 might be coming....

Im just going to go for it and buy Season 1 sometime soon.
hope its worth it.


I havent seen that many early episodes.... so most of it will be new to me.

The exact info for Season 2 is as follows, in case anyone is interested:
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Hope for Season 2?...
Posted by David Lambert
11/21/2003


It's been over a year since The Mary Tyler Moore Show - The Complete 1st Season came out on DVD. Despite a fabulous video presentation and extensive extras (see our review by guest writer Jonathan Boudreaux), the sales of Season 1 were vastly underwhelming to Fox's bean-counters. So much so, that plans for a March 2003 Season 2 release were squashed...even though much of the production of that set had already been completed!

Fan speculaton for the first set's failure was centered around low-key marketing that didn't seem to raise consumer awareness, and a price point that seemed too high ($49.98 SRP, resulting in street prices around $35-$45). Another complaint was that supplements were done without the participation of Mary herself, and so fell a bit flat for the money.

Since word about the slow sales of Season 1 was mentioned by Peter Staddon (Fox's Senior Vice President of Marketing) in a Dec. 2002 Home Theater Forum chat, fans have watched and worried as to whether future DVD releases were doomed. Of particular concern was that later seasons contained episodes which they felt were among the very best, including Season 6's classic show "Chuckles Bites The Dust".


Now Mr. Staddon himself brings us new hope that Season 2 might see the light of day after all! Nothing is certain yet, but he says that they are looking into it. This information will soon be found in an upcoming (Nov. 30th) article by Randy Salas, DVD Columnist and Entertainment Wire Editor at the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Salas asked Staddon about The Mary Tyler Moore Show - Season 2 and this was the reply:

"We're looking at ways of bringing that out, so there is hope. We finished it, and there's just a question of can we make it work better than the first season worked."

Salas continued by asking if the "model of presentation" was something being looked at as likely to change, and Staddon replied affirmatively. Salas interprets that to mean that fans shouldn't "expect the same elaborate packaging and wealth of supplements." This would perhaps be done with the goal of getting the price down into the range of Fox's successful-selling DVD sets for M*A*S*H, another classic series from that era.

This is definately a story in development, and we'll be keeping a close eye on it. We don't want to get your hopes up too high just yet, because nothing is firm. But still, this is the best news MTM Show fans have had in a year...and we're pleased to bring it to you. Thanks to Randy Salas for his co-operation with this story. Fans should stay tuned for further updates, whenever they become available.
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Me personally, I think that Season 2 will DEFINITELY come out. Why? Because the expense of putting the show on DVD (packaging, making the DVDs, etc.) is NOTHING compared to the process that they go through to restore the episodes, and that work has already been done. Surely they'd want to make back some of that money by selling them, even if it's only to break out even.

I just hope that the lower price means the sales will improve enough to warrant serious thinking of doing more seasons. I want seasons 3 - 7 as well as some of the spin-offs, like RHODA, PHYLLIS and LOU GRANT. I know I'm pushing it, but honestly, when I see some of the crap that gets a DVD release (the ANNA NICOLE SHOW?!!!???), it's a shame that a pinnacle show as the MTMS remains on the shelf. I just hope it has a happy ending. It'd be kind of funny that the DVD release was just as rocky as when the show first started... Ironic, eh?

Ed

Oh, good so we still have a chance for it to come out! :)
Everyone keep your fingers crossed!

The only thing that is guaranteed (or *almost* guaranteed) is that Season 2 will be out on DVD, but nothing else. I still think this stinks, however. I want Seasons 3 - 7 as well. Yeah, I know having only 2 seasons is better than what we had a year ago, which was only one season, but still, it angers me that so much crap is out on DVD and MTMS ends up being shelved because its restoration is too costly. So we all have a lot of work ahead of us.

I suggest we start putting our heads together and try to devise ways to get the word out that Season 2 must sell well or no others will be forthcoming.

Me, I'm even prepared to buy extra copies and give them out as birthday presents or next year's Christmas gifts... any means necessary to get as many copies sold and into the public's consciousness. I want this show COMPLETE, as well as (possibly) the spin-offs, like RHODA, PHYLLIS, and LOU GRANT. Yeah, I'm greedy, but hey, so is FOX.

Ed

Originally posted by Edster2973
The exact info for Season 2 is as follows, in case anyone is interested:
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Hope for Season 2?...
Posted by David Lambert
11/21/2003

"It's been over a year since The Mary Tyler Moore Show - The Complete 1st Season came out on DVD...Fan speculaton for the first set's failure was centered around low-key marketing that didn't seem to raise consumer awareness..."
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Ed

Thanks for posting this Edster. I hope it comes to pass as I, too, hate having an incomplete set. :angryfire

The excerpt above reflects my thoughts exactly when I first heard that season 2, et al, would not be released. "Low-key marketing" indeed! How about "NO-key"?! (Keyless?) I think I saw ONE stinkin' ad last year (on TVLand) from Fox Video for season 1 -- and that was the DAY BEFORE CHRISTMAS!!!

- Later - :rainbow1:

Originally posted by TVgen62
Thanks for posting this Edster. I hope it comes to pass as I, too, hate having an incomplete set. :angryfire

The excerpt above reflects my thoughts exactly when I first heard that season 2, et al, would not be released. "Low-key marketing" indeed! How about "NO-key"?! (Keyless?) I think I saw ONE stinkin' ad last year (on TVLand) from Fox Video for season 1 -- and that was the DAY BEFORE CHRISTMAS!!!

- Later - :rainbow1:

Once again, TVGen, we seem to be on the same page. I firmly believe that if Fox released Season 2 with the same kind of bonuses as Season 1 had, and promoted it properly, they would make out just fine. But for some reason, the seem to not know how to promote it. JMO. I think that's why Season 1 didn't sell, b/c Fox didn't promote it.

OK, getting down off my soapbox now, LOL. This whole issue really hits a nerve with me.

Kristen

Foxhome (http://www2.foxhome.com/mtm/) has finally listed Season 2 as "coming soon". I think, this is great news! :)

Uh, not really. If memory serves me, this is what FOX originally had on their site when the first season hit the stands and it's been up there since. They just forgot to take it off their site, that's all.

Ed

Originally posted by Edster2973
Uh, not really...They just forgot to take it off their site...
Ed

Typical! :rolleyes:

When Season 1 came out, I bought no less than five copies! Naive, I know, but I was really hoping that would help sales. Imagine my disappointment when I later found out the follow up collection was indefinitely postponed.

Still, I'm prepared to buy many copies of Season 2. Maybe if we all bought at least two copies and gave them to friends, etc., it would get the word of mouth going?

It's so sad that we have to surmount a grass-roots campaign for a show that is already a classic. With the proper promotion from the company releasing it, it could do very well. And yes, I too crack up at the other crap making it to DVD. "Saved by the Bell," anyone?

5 copies.... wow.
I can hardly afford 1 copy.



But this show definately deserves over chance at DVD releases.
Definately better advertising!!

Okay, I really want season 2 to come out on dvd because I absolutely love the season 1 dvd. I hope they decide to give it another chance and release season 2.

TV Shows On DVD (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/) have posted the transcript to a recent online chat with Mr. Peter Staddon, Sr. Vice President of Marketing at Fox Home Entertainment, and who - in his own words - "oversees the development of all DVD products". Below is what he had to say about the future of The Mary Tyler Moore Show on DVD.

Mary Tyler Moore Show - Season 2 - "MTM2 is a possibility but no certain at this stage." This was the final response to the examples in my question, and clearly indicates that Fox doesn't consider this show a "dead" issue quite yet. The hold-up with more Moore was that the first season didn't sell enough to justify the money spent by Fox on it, so they have to find ways to spend less development money on future DVD releases. In another portion of the chat, Mr. Staddon commented that "the costs of remastering are coming down", and as the market grows there are other costs associated with DVD production & manufacturing that are coming down, too. If Fox can find a way to make the numbers work for Season 2, they will happily continue to turn these out. Until then, consider these releases "on hiatus".Regards, James.

Originally posted by jld16
TV Shows On DVD (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/) have posted the transcript to a recent online chat with Mr. Peter Staddon, Sr. Vice President of Marketing at Fox Home Entertainment, and who - in his own words - "oversees the development of all DVD products". Below is what he had to say about the future of The Mary Tyler Moore Show on DVD.

Regards, James.

LOL, I was just at tvshowsondvd.com, and I was going to post the exact same thing. I totally forgot you beat me to it! I guess great minds really do think alike. ;) Anyway, it looks like Fox has changed their mind, and TMTMS isn't quite dead yet. So that's good.

Originally posted by Kristen
LOL, I was just at tvshowsondvd.com, and I was going to post the exact same thing. I totally forgot you beat me to it! I guess great minds really do think alike. ;) They sure do Kristen! :lol: Fans of The Mary Tyler Moore Show seem to be a brainy bunch. ;)

Originally posted by Kristen
Anyway, it looks like Fox has changed their mind, and TMTMS isn't quite dead yet. So that's good.
To be honest, I think Fox would have eventually released Seasons 2-7 of The Mary Tyler Moore Show on DVD.

Regards, James.

Oh, yay! I really hope they decide to release season two, I need more Mary!

;) :p :lol: :crazy: :wave:

Originally posted by Kristina
Oh, yay! I really hope they decide to release season two, I need more Mary!

;) :p :lol: :crazy: :wave:

I'm with everyone else...I hope Fox releases it, too! I mean, we can't watch it on TV b/c TV Land isn't showing it so it's only fair they release it on DVD! (Not that fairness plays any part in the production of the DVDs!) Still, the only Mary we can watch is our season 1 DVDs and that's only 24 episodes. But I have a feeling the DVDs, just like Mary Richards, "might just make it after all!" ;)

Kurt

Damn tvshowsondvd.com got my hopes up....
I saw a release for "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" on April 20th.... and I though here it is -- Season 2 is on the way!!

But no.... its just "Mary & Rhoda".





bummer.

Originally posted by DickVanDykeMan
Still, the only Mary we can watch is our season 1 DVDs and that's only 24 episodes.

Kurt

That may not be true because you catch Mary on the classic tv series, The Dick Van Dyke Show as Laura Petrie on TV Land. So you not only have those 24 episodes, but you also have 158 additional episodes of our Mary to see!

I wish, somehow, that Image entertainment, the same company that puts out those wonderful sets of The Dick Van Dyke Show, could somehow take over the Mary Tyler Moore on DVD project. That way, we would get fantastic extras, just like The Dick Van Dyke Show gets.

I am a huge Mary Tyler Moore fan, and I hope that someday that the Second Season DVD is released soon...:)

Originally posted by Veronica Harris
I am a huge Mary Tyler Moore fan, and I hope that someday that the Second Season DVD is released soon...:)

When I heard news that there was talk of trying to bring out Season 2 back in November 2003, I was hopeful as can be, but we've yet to hear word about this since then. We're now in May. That's 6 months ago. Needless to say I'm a bit less optimistic...

Ed (who hopes to be proven wrong)