If John Goodman hadn't all-but left the series during the ninth season, do you think it would have been as bad as it was? Would they have gone with the whole ridiculous "lottery" scenario, or would they have focused on something more down-to-earth?

Who really knows. I think they would have still done that whole horrible lottery deal. But I don't think they would have done the Dan affair. Which I wish they wouldn't have.
They should have ended in the 8th season. They could have been in the top 20 their whole run.

I think the 8th season was a huge disappointment and they had to do a ninth season. If they would have ended it with 8, the show would have went out with a wimper. I don't like the entire 9th season, but it was fascinating to watch a show impolde on itself like "Roseanne" did. For the overall quality of the series, ending at 8 would have been smart, but to go out in a blaze of hellfire, which was always "Roseanne"s away, was only fitting for the series.

Also, had the series ended at 8, I don't think it would be as memorable as it is. What is talked about more now, anyway? The glorious run the series had or that last season which flipped everything upside down? The last season, like it or not.

I didn't know that John Goodman phoned in his appearances in the final season. Why was that?

I remember hearing that JG didn't even want to do the final season, but as a thank you to the show, he decided to stay on for a few episodes. Alot of it had to do with Roseanne's huge temper tantrum in season 8, which really seemed to be the last straw for Goodman

Normally when people bash the last season I just either keep my mouth shut or say something timid to defend it but I'm fed up. You people like to b*tch and complain about it and speculate what would have happened if something were different. What does it matter? The last season had some memorable, funny moments along with some bad ones. I don't particularily like season 5 but I'm not constantly bringing up what I didn't like about it and what should have been changed. I understand everyone is intitled to their opinions and this is a board about Roseanne (both good and bad) but please, if you love the show as much as I do, stop bringing it down with your constant complaint for one season and enjoy and celebrate the ones you did like.

Originally posted by iloveTV
Normally when people bash the last season I just either keep my mouth shut or say something timid to defend it but I'm fed up. You people like to b*tch and complain about it and speculate what would have happened if something were different. What does it matter? The last season had some memorable, funny moments along with some bad ones. I don't particularily like season 5 but I'm not constantly bringing up what I didn't like about it and what should have been changed. I understand everyone is intitled to their opinions and this is a board about Roseanne (both good and bad) but please, if you love the show as much as I do, stop bringing it down with your constant complaint for one season and enjoy and celebrate the ones you did like.
I can understand your frustration, but you should try to keep in mind that this is a forum where people can talk about Roseanne any way they please.
There's plenty of praise heaped upon the show on these boards, but people will talk about the negatives of the show as well, and they have every right to do so. This isn't a tribute board.
Honestly, no offense, but if you can't handle reading posts from members expressing their opinions on the last season, perhaps you should refrain from reading those posts.
If we're going to autopsy a show on a daily basis, the unpleasant parts have to be examined too.
You certainly can't expect people to stop discussing something because it upsets you.

Originally posted by db108108
I remember hearing that JG didn't even want to do the final season, but as a thank you to the show, he decided to stay on for a few episodes. Alot of it had to do with Roseanne's huge temper tantrum in season 8, which really seemed to be the last straw for Goodman
I'd like to hear about this temper tantrum....

During the filming of the 1995 Halloween episode(where Roseanne gives birth) She had a HUGE tantrum due to some of the bosses(like Executive Producer Eric Gilliand) she told the show's producers to either fire him or she goes, well, they didn't fire him, but she didn't leave either. At the end of the 8th season, he was either fired or left the show. From what I hear, John Goodman's contract ran out at the end of the 8th season and he didn't want to come back for the 9th season.

Originally posted by Janice
I can understand your frustration, but you should try to keep in mind that this is a forum where people can talk about Roseanne any way they please.
There's plenty of praise heaped upon the show on these boards, but people will talk about the negatives of the show as well, and they have every right to do so. This isn't a tribute board.
Honestly, no offense, but if you can't handle reading posts from members expressing their opinions on the last season, perhaps you should refrain from reading those posts.
If we're going to autopsy a show on a daily basis, the unpleasant parts have to be examined too.
You certainly can't expect people to stop discussing something because it upsets you.

I didn't say that I couldn't handle opinions. I said that I knew this was a board for both negative and positive opinions and that it was merely redundant to complain about the same things.

Next time maybe you should actually read a post before you reply to it.

Originally posted by iloveTV
I didn't say that I couldn't handle opinions. I said that I knew this was a board for both negative and positive opinions and that it was merely redundant to complain about the same things.

Next time maybe you should actually read a post before you reply to it.
I read your post thoroughly before I replied. Perhaps you should reread it. You may not have said you couldn't handle opinions, but you did say that people "bitch and complain" about the last season and asked "what does it matter?"
Well, it obviously matters to those who are discussing it and to AKA, who created the thread. I don't call it bitching and complaining. I call it discussion in an open forum.

You did say that people are entitled to their opinions but followed that with....."but please, if you love the show as much as I do, stop bringing it down with your constant complaint for one season and enjoy and celebrate the ones you did like."

You said you were "fed up" and decided to "defend" the last season. It still sounds to me that you are having difficulty handling negative opinions on the last season.

There are lots of redundant topics discussed all over SitcomsOnline all the time. This one, in particular, obviously gets under your skin, as evidenced in your original post which clearly sounded like an admonishment.

Roseanne is still new to Nick@Nite, so there's a renewed interest in the show. The topics aren't redundant to me or the other newcomers to the show or this board.
Personally, Roseanne is new to me, so I want to know everything about the show, both positive and negative. If the show stumbled, fumbled or tumbled in the final season, I want to know why. The only way to find out the deal is to read these boards.

I don't see what is wrong if us fans of the show criticize the last season... It's a fan club, we are not supposed to like every second of every episode, there are plenty of episodes I don't like, but I still watch the show everyday.

The first 7 seasons were great. The 8th was ok but the last one I have a hard time watching. Even if JG had stayed I don't know if it would have been better. I didn't like the whole lottery bit and I also didn't like how they had Dan cheat on Roseanne. The last episode made the whole show a frigment of Roseannes imagination and I prefer just to watch the show up to Darlene and David's wedding.

I know one thing--I would have no interest in watching Roseanne without John Goodman. I can't even imagine it. ohno:

In my opinion, he's every bit as important to the show as Roseanne herself.

John still managed to squeeze out appearances in thirteen episodes during the final season.

Originally posted by Janice
I read your post thoroughly before I replied. Perhaps you should reread it. You may not have said you couldn't handle opinions, but you did say that people "bitch and complain" about the last season and asked "what does it matter?"
Well, it obviously matters to those who are discussing it and to AKA, who created the thread. I don't call it bitching and complaining. I call it discussion in an open forum.

You did say that people are entitled to their opinions but followed that with....."but please, if you love the show as much as I do, stop bringing it down with your constant complaint for one season and enjoy and celebrate the ones you did like."

You said you were "fed up" and decided to "defend" the last season. It still sounds to me that you are having difficulty handling negative opinions on the last season.

There are lots of redundant topics discussed all over SitcomsOnline all the time. This one, in particular, obviously gets under your skin, as evidenced in your original post which clearly sounded like an admonishment.

Roseanne is still new to Nick@Nite, so there's a renewed interest in the show. The topics aren't redundant to me or the other newcomers to the show or this board.
Personally, Roseanne is new to me, so I want to know everything about the show, both positive and negative. If the show stumbled, fumbled or tumbled in the final season, I want to know why. The only way to find out the deal is to read these boards.

I doesn't matter to me is you think I'm "having difficulty handling negative opinions on the last season". I simply said that it is annoying to keep reading the same things over and over. If you are new to Roseanne and this board then read past threads and reply to them if you have an opinion.

And when I requested that if you "love the show as much as I do, stop bringing it down with your constant complaint for one season and enjoy and celebrate the ones you did like." I wasn't saying: No, you can't have opinions. That was a request. And when I asked "what does it matter?" I meant that every season had it's ups and downs so what does it matter that season 9 did.

It doesn't really matter anyway. We have contrasting opinions,it's not the end of the world.

Originally posted by iloveTV
I simply said that it is annoying to keep reading the same things over and over. If you are new to Roseanne and this board then read past threads and reply to them if you have an opinion.

I will like hell. Are you serious? You are actually telling me to read the old threads...with all the long gone people who posted? I, along with other members, replied to the CURRENT thread that AKA posted.

How about this? I do what I want, even if it's "annoying" to you.
That's my response to your request to stop discussing the final season, which, from what I've been reading here, not only jumped the shark--but the shark ate the cast and the set for good measure.

You can't just step in and make a request like that. These boards don't work that way. Request denied.

I didn't start the thread that got your shorts in a bunch.
Reply to past posts??? LOL, in your dreams. Call me silly, but I live in the here and now, and I don't like to read last year's newspaper.

REREAD your original post. You didn't "simply" say anything. You blew a gasket because you can't handle criticism of the final season. Own your words.

by ilove TV
Normally when people bash the last season I just either keep my mouth shut or say something timid to defend it but I'm fed up.Maybe you should have stuck with the keeping your mouth shut option. Your use of the "simply said" option came off like a bull in a china shop. Really now? Did you actually think that anyone would move aside at your behest to the netherworld of posts gone by? You're having a tough time reading posts that are unflattering about some 'in-the-can' episodes of Rosanne. So, consequently, posters should stop talking bad about Rosanne, and stop it immediately because you "simply" requested as much. Annnd....you are.....?:confused: ;)

God, people! I just wrote my opinion. If you don't like it, ignore it. You are obviously upset by my comments or you wouldn't have replied. You can continue to write your objections to my opinion, actually you can start your own thread on it. Who cares? I'm moving on. You should too.

OK now Children... settle down!

:rolleyes:

haha you guys are funny:)

Originally posted by iloveTV
God, people! I just wrote my opinion. If you don't like it, ignore it. You are obviously upset by my comments or you wouldn't have replied. You can continue to write your objections to my opinion, actually you can start your own thread on it. Who cares? I'm moving on. You should too.
I don't have a problem with you stating your opinion. What bothered me was your suggestion that others stop talking about the final season.
Stop putting your words in my mouth and stop pretending you don't get it.

Originally posted by Brent88
OK now Children... settle down!

:rolleyes:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ....a couple of eyerolls back at ya'.

;)

I liked the last season. I think of it as a different show but with the same characters. The show was always based on Roseanne's life. The early days showed what it was like for a small-town, blue-collar wife/mother using humor and family to cope with the struggles of surviving. The final season shows what happens when a regular small-town person suddenly comes into fame and fortune (whether it's by lottery or by a successful tv show)...Hollywood comes calling and some elements of society will resent your success and try to destroy you. Just like in Roseanne's real life.

Originally posted by Beyotch Knowles
I liked the last season. I think of it as a different show but with the same characters. The show was always based on Roseanne's life. The early days showed what it was like for a small-town, blue-collar wife/mother using humor and family to cope with the struggles of surviving. The final season shows what happens when a regular small-town person suddenly comes into fame and fortune (whether it's by lottery or by a successful tv show)...Hollywood comes calling and some elements of society will resent your success and try to destroy you. Just like in Roseanne's real life.

You made some good points. :)