in November.
According to an NBC commercial.

I noticed that too.

The girl is back in town, the girl is back in tooooown

you know what would be hilarious though? if randomly throughout the season Cheers members start showing up and staying on Frasier...lol and the second to last episode Diane shows up and stays to, and then they are all like "well we might as well just get Sammy since Cheers is probably empty....since we are all here" lol

good idea.

A very, *very*, poor idea IMO. Lilith... yes, definitely - the rest of the Cheers cast - NO WAY!

i hope lilith is coming back i didnt see it but wat did it say in the commircal:)

A full-fledged Cheers reunion sometime down the road is inevitable, and a great idea, but I'd hate to see it happen on Frasier.

Originally posted by AKA
A full-fledged Cheers reunion sometime down the road is inevitable, and a great idea, but I'd hate to see it happen on Frasier.

I agree, I meant have them come on in episodes leading up to the reunion. lol Cheers deserves it's own 2 hour movie special...hehehehe not a half an hour on Frasier time.

Still a bad idea IMO. We have already had a "Frasier meets with the old gang" show, a "Woody comes to Seattle" show, a "Diane comes to Seattle" show (and several other cameo appearances), and a "Sam comes to Seattle" show - so what more is there to do with "Cheers" for "Frasier"? (other than satisfying a Cheers fan's interest?). Lilith is different - her character is directly tied to Frasier because of Freddie and it is natural that she appear more frequently because of that. As for the rest of the Cheers people -no way! The Frasier story doesn't need any more reappearances by the people who inhabited that bar in Boston. That was another show and one that finished a long time ago (even a "reunion" show for Cheers sounds rather stale and has a pathetic quality about it, if you ask me). As Frasier himself would say "Let it goooooooo!" ;-)

Ah but see Cheers gave Frasier his neurotic personality (when he began on Cheers he was in the begginning sort of a Niles character). Frasier learned to "Wang Chung" in Cheers. Frasier met lilith in Cheers, he married her in Cheers, she dumped him in Cheers, and they got back together in Cheers. I know that Frasier is it's own great show, but it's great to see how Frasier's character changes to barfly-mode whenever he's around one of the guys.

Originally posted by DianeChambers87
Frasier learned to "Wang Chung" in Cheers.

:lol:

DianeChambers87 wrote -
"Ah but see Cheers gave Frasier his neurotic personality (when he began on Cheers he was in the begginning sort of a Niles character). Frasier learned to "Wang Chung" in Cheers. Frasier met lilith in Cheers, he married her in Cheers, she dumped him in Cheers, and they got back together in Cheers. I know that Frasier is it's own great show, but it's great to see how Frasier's character changes to barfly-mode whenever he's around one of the guys."


Didn't we already see that in "Cheerful Goodbyes"? I realize that the character of Frasier had its beginning on Cheers (etc.), but he (and the other characters on Frasier) have grown so far beyond that now that to dip into that "well" once yet *another* time is just being redundant IMO. I enjoyed the comedy of Cheers, but why do some feel we have to mix it with Frasier again? It really isn't necessary IMO (and in fact, to do it takes away from Frasier as an independant show). It's like wanting an adult to dress up in baby clothes all the time - there is something about it that just isn't right.

Originally posted by Brian Damage
:lol:

lol Hey it's true.

Hey bri how did that one quote go?

was it something like

Frasier: As I was driving over to the festivities here tonight, I was uncharacteristically listening to one of the modern stations and a fine tune seem to capture the essense of tonights atmosphere. I would like to share this with you now:

Everybody Have fun tonight, Everybody Wang Chung tonight.

(all the guys in the bar cheer)

Originally posted by Valma



Didn't we already see that in "Cheerful Goodbyes"? I realize that the character of Frasier had its beginning on Cheers (etc.), but he (and the other characters on Frasier) have grown so far beyond that now that to dip into that "well" once yet *another* time is just being redundant IMO. I enjoyed the comedy of Cheers, but why do some feel we have to mix it with Frasier again? It really isn't necessary IMO (and in fact, to do it takes away from Frasier as an independant show). It's like wanting an adult to dress up in baby clothes all the time - there is something about it that just isn't right.

I see what your saying Valma, and I do agree that Frasier is a seperate show that has owned it's own merits with it's own fantastic cast. It's just that as a Cheers fan, whenever the Cheers atmosphere is "re-created" in anything, it's great for me. But I can see how a Frasier fan could get tired of episodes revolving around another show. Still, I can't help but feel excited whenever I hear that a Cheers Cast member will be on.

Well, I too will enjoy seeing Lilith again (and BTW David Lee reports that it is for the final time), but it doesn't mean I want to see *everyone* from Cheers again on Frasier because Lilith is about to reappear (the character of Lilith is not the typical guest appearance from the Cheers cast, as I explained she is the mother of Frasier's son and has appeared more often as a result). In fact I don't even think of Cheers when I see Lilith on Frasier now (any more than I think of Cheers when I see Frasier himself - he seems to have broken away from that show quite successfully early on IMO).

I don't think we should ever lose sight of the fact that Frasier is *not* Cheers and the shows have two *very* different approaches to comedy (and don't mix well IMO). That is one of the reasons that Frasier (the character) had to change when he became a central character on a very different type of show.

You're right he did change, and Frasier is a different type of comedy. A very good one. I really like the cast and enjoy the different characters and scripts. Frasier isn't my favorite character in Cheers, even though I like all of them, and surprisingly in the sitcom "Frasier" my two favorite characters are Niles, and Roz. However, whenever Frasier is around a Cheers cast member he goes back to being the "Cheers Frasier" who I enjoy more than the actual Frasier. Also, you cannot completely deny Cheers' influence on Frasier, which are visible through certain scripts and spoofs. Like for example that scene last year when Frasier and Julia have their first "encounter" and he ends up by saying "Are you as turned on as I am?!" that was taken from the famous Sam and Diane scene in Cheers (she then also adds that the term "turned on" hasn't been used in 20 years ..hence 1982/1983 when it actually was used).When I do see lilith on Frasier I DO think Cheers, because the way she is on Frasier is exactly the way she was on Cheers.

good points Maria.

I dont think they are the same type of show.
But I think they work well together.


2 of my faves.

I'm not denying that the character of Frasier had his roots in Cheers or that there are some references (*occasionally*) that hearken back to Cheers (as your example shows), but there are plenty* more references to other movies, plays and television programmes too and they are just as big of influence on the kind of humour that is presented on Frasier (maybe more). Frasier often references itself to others things (remember the entire show that was based on Tennessee Williams' plays? or the one that was based on the "Sliding Doors" plot? or the episode that was structured the same as "My Dinner with Andre"? or the one that was reminicent of Mr. Bean? or the multious number of episodes that show the influences of Georges Feydeau (who is probably the biggest influence on the comedy of Frasier IMO).

When I say that I don't think of Cheers when I see Lilith now, it hasn't got anything to do with her personality traits. I mean that I have seen her interact with Frasier (the "Frasier" Frasier) to the degree that she seems to fit naturally with his "new" more in-depth character (and she has grown too as a result). Lilith on Frasier has taken on a life of ther own (just like Frasier has). She has enough personal reference points on Frasier (enough history) to allow me to see her as a creation of Frasier and not just a character from Cheers coming back for a guest shot.

BTW, I don't think it is surprising at all that your favourite character on the show isn't Frasier. :-)) No slight to Kelsey Grammer at all (who is excellent on the show) but my favourite character is Niles (and actor - DHP). All the cast is superb but DHP stands out above the rest for me (and he seems such a versitile actor who can do almost anything - having seen him in some very serious roles in film and on stage). :-)

Yea, there's just something about Niles, and his reactions that's great. It makes him stand out among the rest of the cast.

Niles is cool (better than Frasier)

but Martin is best.

Originally posted by barwars88
Niles is cool (better than Frasier)

but Martin is best.

Agreed

martin is my fav then niles but wat did the thing about lilith coming but say

k just found out wat the lilith ep is its november 18 Lilith's (guest star Bebe Neuwirth) friend unknowingly sets her up on a blind date with Frasier; Niles and Daphne urge Martin to get rid of his gun. it sound sooooo cool

Hopefully she stays for long.


The 18th.... its so far away!!




A blind date from across the country?!
How weird.

i know im ganna go crazy waiting but if she is ganna go on a blind that then that can only mean on thing NO ALBERT yea lol

Lilith and Frasier back together...sounds good.

Lol i wonder what Julia will say?

Julia's long gone.
Thank God.

lol shows that I don't watch frasier that often...the thing is that I would I just never know when it's on. I periodically watch a rerun whenever it's on tv.

I heard this is Lilith's final appearance on the show.

:( :mad:

that sucks.

where did you hear this?

David Lee announced it himself (and he ought to know). He said when they filmled that episode it was one of the hardest things they ever did, knowing that they were bidding goodbye to a much beloved guest actress and character and it drove it home to him that the end of the series was getting closer (and he added that he didn't know *how* he was going to make it through the filming of the final episode if he was this overcome about that episode).

interesting, because I read that announcement, and it said nothing of the sort....

what it did say was that filming that episode was tearful and he did say that he didn't know how he'd handle the finale. But nothing was said about it being Lilith's last appearance. He said it ws sad because they were beginning their goodbyes to the recurring/guest characters over the years. He did not definitely say "this is Lilith's last appearance." It may be, it may not be, but nothing was said for sure about that.

Well, I guess we just interpreted the message differently (I took him stating that they were tearfully "saying goodbye to recurring/ guest characters" when he was talking about a Lilith episode pretty much spoke a fairly clear message to me). :-))

no matter how the two of us interpret it, we shall see on November 18 :)

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! plez dont let it be her last episode i will cry cauze that means that lilith will be gone. i just hope that if she is gone they complete her u now like not leave herwith out antything cause that would be sad