Every book brings new revelations although Ball of Fire is just a rehash of the same old stories, what's the most surprising or shocking thing you've ever gotten from a book or article? I remember how surprised i was when Lee Tannen said Gary was like 15 years younger than Lucy, and i was surprised Gary wore a toupee all those years like Jimmy Stewart.

Desilu showed me how ruthless Lucy could appear on the set, but i later learned that most people who got to the top were the same way. But women for some reason, aren't allowed to behave that way. I was shocked to hear the stories about Richard Burton and Danny Kaye and the others that tangled with Lucy at some point. I even joined the boards to find out why they all said she was , you know, that word. But, i think lately, i've concluded that every major superstar did the same thing, she got more ink out of jealousy and the gender thing too, which is unfair. We have to remember that at one time, she was the ONLY female superstar in the business! She did not get to where she got by being a pushover.

The most shocking thing I have EVER heard about them is that they got a divorce! lol!
No, I didn't just found this out. I've been an ILL fanatic for about 2 years. A little while after I became one, I didn't know hardly anything about them, and I remember reading on the internet that they had gotten a divorce and I was like...:eek2:
lol what coule be more shocking than that after just becoming a fan and seeing them play the Ricardos?


P.S. No, I'm not a fan who doesn't know anything about them, I know as much as possible about them that I can.

I can't believe you didn't know that was a toupee!:lol: :lol: I would have to say my most shocking thing was reading Desilu and finding out she wasn't the same "LUCY" off camera.

lol! like I said, i wasn't a fan every long until I found out.

Well, he was able to afford those progressive toupees like Stewart that got greyer and greyer slowly and gradually, so it appeared real, imagine them in bed with the toupee off and her eyebrows not painted on yet, scary sight for any burglar.

Jimmy Stewart wore a toupee? Wow! Well, you learn something new every day. :)

So had he been wearing it for long? I mean, wasn't he worried he might have been captured during his airforce days in WWII, and have had to be around all those fans in the POW camps with no toupee on? Could have had very strong glue I suppose...

Yes a lot of the old stars did, and we never knew about it. You're probably too young to know Ray Milland, but he went without a toupee in Love Story and his fans were shocked. Stewart was a shock to me too, then again, i never even knew Lucy wore wigs when i was a kid.

Women often wore wigs back then. It was a fashion thing. Loads of them did it, partly because it was much harder to dye your hair in those days, and also because it was easy to switch between styles. Like in the seventies when young men had long wigs, because the fashion was for long hair, but their schools or jobs demanded an above the collar cut!

I'm amused by your comment that I'm too young to know Ray Milland though, Splain! Is there anybody here who's old enough to remember I Love Lucy! That's what TV is for - old films and repeats! :)

Is there anybody here who's old enough to remember I Love Lucy! Splain is!:lol:

I can't say the most shocking thing I have ever learned about Lucy & Desi. :lol: It's more like: omg:

Originally posted by onlyonelucy
I can't say the most shocking thing I have ever learned about Lucy & Desi. :lol: It's more like: omg:

Well now you got me wondering. :D

Ok, we all get together and BRIBE her right?

Maybe she'll give us at least a HINT....;)

Okay, I'm really curious now. :lol: Do tell...or hint...;)

Ok, she won't talk but i will, this one was'nt in a book, but i wish it had been, it is said that Lucy enjoyed a full and happy sex life with Gary almost to the end of her life. And THE most shocking one i ever saw in a book was that when she confronted Desi about the divorce and she threatenned HIM, that he had a name of someone she was seing at the time, in A Book by Desi Arnaz, now that one i needed extra Valium to get over.

Hey Splain, can you elaborate more on the one about Desi having someone else's name? I didn't really understand what you were saying. Can you give me some details?

Originally posted by Mkaleek
Hey Splain, can you elaborate more on the one about Desi having someone else's name? I didn't really understand what you were saying. Can you give me some details?

If you refering Splain's last post, I can help you out there. On the night when Desi left their Beverly Hills home for the last time, Lucy threatened him, saying she had enough dirt on him to hang him. So Desi goes upstairs and gets out a piece of paper he had been saving. On it was a man's name, phone number, and a New York address. He showed it to Lucy and she blushed. Desi told her, "Don't ever threaten me again."

Really, he could have been saving that piece of paper for years until he could actually use it to his advantage, as he did. Maybe she had a relationship with the man while she and Desi were going through their first separation in the '40s. Or maybe she had been seeing the man at the time Desi showed the paper to her. Who knows? It's one of the great mysteries that I'm not sure we'll ever really solve.

WOW!!!!! Thanks Mag. Thats really deep. Which book is that from?

It's from Desi's autobiography, "A Book." ;)

At one point i even thought it could have been gary's name on there.

On the night when Desi left their Beverly Hills home for the last time, Lucy threatened him, saying she had enough dirt on him to hang him. So Desi goes upstairs and gets out a piece of paper he had been saving. On it was a man's name, phone number, and a New York address. He showed it to Lucy and she blushed. Desi told her, "Don't ever threaten me again." Did anybody ever hear this anywhere else but in A Book? It might not even be true. And if it is true I sure hope it was someone better than Gary!

Excuse me, it''s in DESI ARNAZ' book, how could it NOT be true? We know it's true, we just want to find out who it was, Red Buttons? I was shocked when i heard HIS name associated with HER, what's funny is they were both at The Oscars the year she died.

Excuse me, it''s in DESI ARNAZ' book, how could it NOT be true? We know it's true, You're kidding right?

Lodee, i LOVE you but how could it NOT be true, Desi said it in his book, would Lucy not have sued if it were not true? You think Desi would have lied in his book about something as important as that????? And Lucy spent the REST of her life thanking God that he hadn't said many other things he could have!

would Lucy not have sued if it were not true? You're right, I never thought of that! What would I do without you? ;)

Well, you sure scared me there, i NEVER want to have a fight with a doll like you, i'm saving my strength for the newbie, LOL!

HAHAAHAH. You guys are hilarious.

Well, is'nt that why we're all here, to have a good time?

Claudsky, I have always wondered if that "name on the matchbook" was true or not. Lucy liked to stretch the truth at times and who's to say that Desi didn't? I find it hard to believe that Lucy would cheat on Desi for she loved him SO much. Maybe it was just a fake name and number to make him "yealous"? :quest:

Originally posted by onlyonelucy
Claudsky, I have always wondered if that "name on the matchbook" was true or not. Lucy liked to stretch the truth at times and who's to say that Desi didn't? I find it hard to believe that Lucy would cheat on Desi for she loved him SO much. Maybe it was just a fake name and number to make him "yealous"? :quest:

Still, I think Lucy would have raised holy hell if Desi made that story up -- if Desi deliberatly implied that she was a cheater when she really wasn't. On Lucie Arnaz's website, someone asked her if Lucy had read "A Book" and what she thought about it. Lucie replied that her mother did read Desi's book and she didn't take issue you with anything in it. Lucie said something along the lines of, "If my mother did have a problem with the book, believe me, we all would have heard about it."

The theory about a fake name is not too far fetched. She had done some things in the past to try to make him jealous. But the fact that she blushed just doesn't match up with that, in my opinon. If she just made it up, I doubt that her face would have shown embarrassment upon seeing it. But anything is possible.

Originally posted by onlyonelucy
Claudsky, I have always wondered if that "name on the matchbook" was true or not. Lucy liked to stretch the truth at times and who's to say that Desi didn't? I find it hard to believe that Lucy would cheat on Desi for she loved him SO much. Maybe it was just a fake name and number to make him "yealous"? :quest:

lol either way it worked !! I really need to read Desi's book soon.

Remember Sherry, you're the one that worships the ground she walks on, i'm the one who loves her NO MATTER WHAT! Lucy turned BEET RED, BECAUSE he caught her cheating and the man really had a problem with blackmail or threats. He made a career out of cheating but he knew EVERYBODY in Hollyweird cheats. Remember the times Lucy said Desi could have said a lot worse about her. How thankful she had been that he did'nt, of course her love for him stopped her from retalliating with her own version, she died before she could do that, but maybe part of her, the part that loved him forever was happy she never got around to HER version of those events. That's the thing Sher, i know Lucy cheated too, and did things she was'nt proud of, but like she said, she paid for every one of her mistakes, and learned from them also. And which one of us here could throw stones after looking at our own lives and some major mistakes we've made, and our lives are'nt dissected by the entire world on message boards. She wasn't perfect, nobody is, but she still accomplished more in her life than any other person and entertained the world for a half century and is still doing it, so in the balance sheet of life, she finally got Lucy Ricardo to come out in the black in that ledger!

I agree with everything you said and you said it so well too! All right, i just want to have a thread with lots of posts, sorry!

Claudsky, I am not mad and am not making a fuss. Honestly I am not miffed one bit at you nor could I be honey but let me say one thing..........I don't worship the ground that Lucy walks on nor her but like you........I love her no matter what! I know she was human and made mistakes but the reason I say I don't think she cheated on him was because the love (and the intensity of it) that she had for him. I'd say the same thing about Vivien Leigh & Laurence Olivier. He cheated on her but I don't believe she cheated on him. She could have, who knows? Lucy could have, who knows? But if I had to say yea or nay, I'd say nay. :kiss: Love ya Claudsky :kiss:

Wow Splain, you really think Lucy cheated? Now THAT is hard to believe, being the fact that everyone made such a big fuss over Desi's engagements. HUGE FUSSES!! So is that really true? Did she actually say it? I mean, there is no doubt guys were throwing theirselves at her. IF, IF she did, I think it might have been with Bob Hope.:crazy:

Let's not even got there, i think she did with Hope, Fonda and many many more. The thing is this, everybody in Hollywood CHEATS, they are all rich bored great looking people, it's what has always been, and i really believe that it's wrong for our society to say that Burt Reynolds foolling around makes him a great macho man, but if his wife takes a lover, she's a tramp, for lack of a better word once used by my good friend Jane. Where the heck is she anyway? The great Bob Hope had women all over Hollywood, and his wife turned a bind eye, knowing she had the POWER, and one day, and it's happened now, she also has the WEALTH! Except he exited so late, she's now too old to enjoy it! I defend Lucy's actions because she was constantly humiliated by her hubby, not having sex with his secretary in a discreet way, but every good looking woman he came across including prostitutes and being very obvious about it, and this unclassy behavior hurt her even more because he was the love of her life. There is no secret here and his daughter can quote him as saying it wasn't as many as was said about him and all that. BUT the fact remains that when people confronted him about it, he would answer, what is she getting upset about, it's not LOVE, it's just prostitutes. A woman can only be humiliated long enough, then she figures, as she always did, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, so she did the same thing but only after trying to save the marriage with shrinks and attempts at reconciliation and everything but the kitchen sink, finally, when she knew there was no hope, the man would flirt right in front of her, she did the same thing, but she was not Saint Lucy, she was a human being with a healthy sexual appetite and nothing she did was uncalled for,a nd i agree with Ricardosforever that she might also have done it to show him she could do it too, or to scare him into coming back to her, or to just make him jealous as she had many times before.

My most shocking thing about Lucy is,
I have a book called Lucille The Life of Lucille Ball. It is written by Kathleen Brady. Anyway, there is a topless picture of Lucy in it. It was very early in her career. :eek2:

That topless pic doesn't even look like her.

I think even her daughter said she thought it wasn't her!

You know, I didn't think it looked like her either. But, it was when her hair was blonde and her teeth weren't fixed.
I'm glad to hear that Lucie said she didn't think it was her.
I didn't want to believe it was her (not that there is anything wrong w/ showing your body,I don't want to offend anyone)It just didn't fit the "Lucy" persona.

Originally posted by ricardo/mertz
You know, I didn't think it looked like her either. But, it was when her hair was blonde and her teeth weren't fixed.
I'm glad to hear that Lucie said she didn't think it was her.
I didn't want to believe it was her (not that there is anything wrong w/ showing your body,I don't want to offend anyone)It just didn't fit the "Lucy" persona.




I havent read that book/seen the picture, is the book any good?

According to Lucie, the Kathleen Brady book had alot of errors in it.(more than most) I read it but didn't like it that much. The picture is also in the Ball of Fire book.

I guess she thought she was just gonna be a Goldwyn girl for the rest of her life, so it didn't matter!:D I wonder how Lucille felt about that picture. I know they didn't JUST start showing it.

Listen guys, she posed for artists all the time when she was starving and struggling, a person has to EAT, you know? That girl was always way ahead of the others, if i had a good looking body, i'd be typing this while naked right now! LOL!

.if i had a good looking body, i'd be typing this while naked right now! LOL! omg: Come on now, some people might be trying to eat

Originally posted by SPLAIN
I think even her daughter said she thought it wasn't her!

But it IS my dear. She was 17.

I don't think it is her. I wouldn't think any less of her if it was her. But it doesn't look like her ears. Did you hear from someone who positivly knows it is her?

Sherry, i never said it wasn't her, it looks like her to me, and i couldn't care less, she had to eat, so she did what she had to do to get by, nothing wrong with that. Some people think of her as Lucy Ricardo, but in real life she was more realistic than that.

17! Thats Illegal! Someone call child protection!!!!!

Yes, her mother was certainly very broadminded, sending her daughter off to New York City at 15 to study acting after leaving school in Jamestown. But Lucy did the same later, sending her own son on the road with his band at 12 or 13, but i'm sure they had plenty of supervision, knowing HER!

TRUE.

Originally posted by Mkaleek
17! Thats Illegal! Someone call child protection!!!!! Kinda late now Mkaleek.:lol:

Originally posted by SPLAIN
But Lucy did the same later, sending her own son on the road with his band at 12 or 13, but i'm sure they had plenty of supervision, knowing HER!

Not enough supervision to keep him off of drugs and alcohol. Before you guys get mad at me for that comment, I'm not blaming Lucy. Kids will do what they wanna do.

Originally posted by Ricardos4ever
I'm not blaming Lucy. Kids will do what they wanna do.

Exactly, it doesn't matter how much supervision you have, if a kid wants to do drugs they are going to find a way.

Not even the greatest can be the perfect parents.

Exactly, friends are a big factor also! And in that Hollywood environement with everybody and their sister, with too much money and time on their hands, it's even inevitable.

Unfortunately underage celebrities and children of celebrities get to go to club and drink and do pretty much whatever.. It's like they aren't viewed as kids. They are a product. It is really sad.

I said before that the most shocking thing to me was Desi catching her when they divorced with the name of that man she was seing. Number two was reading that she could be so hard to work with. I joined the boards looking for the answer to that one and can leave now as i have it, she was a woman in a man's world, and men could not take getting orders from a woman, especially in the fifties and sixties. Then, there's the fact that she wouldn't have gotten as far as she did if she had been a pushover. Then lastly, she was a perfectionist and that's why her body of work has lasted for decades and decades.

I find that whenever i read a new book on Bette Davis or Kate Hepburn, i find they are all similar to Lucy in their actions and diva like behavior, i think they all came from the same stock, the same area in the States, the same time period and had the same attitudes about life and behavior and many many similarities intheir lives. All right, the truth is i just wanted to bring my thread back up!:lol: I have so few here on this board.

hahahaahah:lol: I hear you.

All right, the truth is i just wanted to bring my thread back up! I have so few here on this board. Now that's sad! Just kidding:lol: :happyface

Well, i dun't have that much going on, you know?:lol:

Yeah right.:D Me neither.:D ;)

So, how do you feel about dating an older man with a prominent nose then?

Does it involve going back to Montreal? Now that scares me. I still have nightmares about not being able to get off the highway. And all those foreigners....they might throw me in the bastile. (hey do french canadians call their jail that?) Now the big nose I can handle:lol:

Yes, you're right about that, the road signs all being in French is confusing, but their argument is when non English people go to the States, they get the reverse, you know? I think everything should be in both languages, our Federal government is great with that, but these separatist idiots, . . .

I guess they like having the signs in French because of the pride in the language - I mean, it's pretty impressive that it's stayed the main language in so many areas. It was British for so long, and it's been so very long since the French owned the place, and it's still part of the British Commonwealth - so I guess the French speaking areas feel that they really want to wave that Frenchiness about the place. I like going to different places and seeing things in different languages. Going to Wales is cool, with their road signs around the place. Using cash machines in Wales is fun too. :)

French is your first language isn't it Splain? Wish I spoke (or wrote) it as well as you do English. :(

Originally posted by Mickey
French is your first language isn't it Splain? Wish I spoke (or wrote) it as well as you do English. :(

Yeah, if you had never said that you were from Montreal, I'd never of known. You type English very well, Claude. :)

Thank you, i appreciate that as my vocabulary is quite limited, but i'm very proud that i don't have an accent, not even a trace, unless i get very nervous. Some people have spoken to me on the phone and could verify that. As for the French thing, yes two cultures exist in Canada, two founding people, the British and the French. Being surrounded by 350 million English speaking people the French minority of 7 million or so, want to preserve their heritage and not dissapear as has happened in the States, i can understand that. Unfortunately, i'm one of those people who wishes the world would have one language, one religion, one monatary unit, you know?

No, that would be boring. I'm so proud of the fact that, when I walk down the street in Britain today, I walk past people speaking half a dozen languages. I walk past mosques, temples and synagogues, past people dressed in saris, turbans and robes. When my parents were my age everybody they saw was white, everybody was a Christian, and everybody spoke Engish. Talk about boring! I don't want one language, one religion or one currency (I collect foreign coins :) ). I just want people to be nicer to each other regardless of language or religion. That would be much more interesting than what you suggest!

:)

Originally posted by SPLAIN
As for the French thing, yes two cultures exist in Canada, two founding people, the British and the French.

Don't forget about the aboriginals. :)

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Unfortunately, i'm one of those people who wishes the world would have one language, one religion, one monatary unit, you know?

Nah, the world would be so BORING!

LOL, sorry Mickey.:lol:

Don't even get me started on the aboriginals Brock! We stole everything from these people, or at least our ancestors did, did you know that the Europeans were the first terrorists in Canada, they gave the Indians blankets infected with smallpox to kill them and take over, isn't that the most disgusting thiing you ever heard? I know guys, i agree that it would be boring, but i am so sick and tired of all the hatred in the world, that Jewish Arab problem for one, still going on today after centuries, if the people in power had spent the money they spent on arming the world instead developing it, we might not be in the sorry state we are now.

You're restoring my faith here, Splain, and thankyou for it. All the people I seem to know of your age gave up thinking that way a long time ago. It's like after hitting a certain age they all decide that the world is the way it is and there's no point bothering about it. It's a shame. I'm sure if we all carried on caring, instead of giving up, something somewhere might just get a little better.

Yes, i've reached that age where i've realized that the whole world revolves around the almighty BUCK, and nothing else!

I have faith too

Well, we shouldn't get discouraged about what's going on around us, our grandparents lived through the depression, our parents through the arms race and nuclear arms, it just looks like we are closer to the brink, but like one of our own Prime Ministers, Trudeau, once said after an election loss, the world will unfold as it always does.

I'd dispute the bit about it just being our parents who lived through nuclear arms. Granted we never had a Cuban Missiles Crisis, but according to historians and political commentators, we were closer to a nuclear war in the early eighties than ever before. Reagan and Thatcher were hardly chummy with Russia. There seemed to be a new leaflet coming with the post every morning - what to do when they drop the bomb. Always when, never if. Plus there were the public information films. "This is what will happen when they drop the bomb". Again with the 'when'.

Apparently we had two minutes to get the family into the cupboard under the stairs, which should be lined (with lead I assume), and well stocked with tinned food and bottled water. How long we were supposed to be in there for I don't know, but clearly the government's information bureau hadn't seen the size of the cupboard under most people's stairs! If we were out of doors, we were supposed to get underneath the nearest car "a white one is best", as protection against blast and glare. Ignoring the fact that the car itself would probably explode, I have no idea what purpose this was really supposed to have. Oh happy days.

I as about to say that at least today's kids don't have those worries stuffed down them, but thanks to the sensationalist press, I suppose they do. Except it's dirty bombs and terrorists these days, not nuclear bombs and Reagan.

Reagan, Bush, it's all the same! Hopefully they'll have an honest election this time and boot him out.

Has there been a decision yet on who's going to be the Democrat's candidate this time around?

Of the ten or so candidates, it was supposed to be a walk for Howard dean of Vermont, you know a guy from today, broadminded, not stuck in the fifties. BUT, lately, there's this guy Clark, because of all his war experience, they think he could better deal with the fast changing, terrorist filled world, and if HE bombed Iraq, he'd have a plan for what happens after the war. He wouldn't create another Vietnam! And he wouldn't create more anymosity towards Americans in the Arab world meaning that he would defuse the situation not make it worse!

Did you see David Letterman's top ten list ?

Top Ten Signs You're In Love With Democratic Presidential Candidate Howard Dean


10. You've actually heard of him

9. Whenever he discusses plans to revitalize economy, you get goosebumps

8. Named your cats "Howard," "Dean" and "Six-Term Governor Howard Dean"

7. You'll only watch movies featuring Ron Howard or Harry Dean Stanton

6. When you hear a report on the radio about a highway accident, you murmur, "Please, god, don't let Howard Dean be involved"

5. Constantly complain rival candidate Dennis Kucinich isn't "Howardly" enough

4. Changed outfit four times before watching appearance on "Meet the Press"

3. You stand by him despite the fact his infidelities embarrassed you in front of the entire...oh wait, wrong Democrat

2. When he announced his candidacy, you didn't laugh your ass off

1. You're actually considering wasting a vote on him



:lol: :lol:

Very funny, saw him on Leno the other night, hey Clinton did Arsenio Hall's show and got elected, so maybe . . .

Okay, forget everybody else. I've never heard of him before, but a guy called Kucinich. How could you want anybody else to be President?! What a name... :)

And sorry, Mr Leno, but if you think what Clinton did was embarrassing, you should try living in the UK with a crooked Conservative goverment screwing things up for twenty years...!

I think it's a little late now to have somebody as President that'll handle things right in Iraq, don't you?! This Clark guy might have his head screwed on straight where that kind of thing is concerned, but it'd be closing the barn door way after the horses have all scarpered. If we could turn the clocks back to before all the dead civilians (oops, sorry, didn't mean to fire in your direction!) and the extremely rare (now dead and therefore even rarer) tiger, then maybe there'd be a point electing him. Can we just have Clinton back?!

I know what you mean, i think they mean Clark would handle the NEXT crisis better, you know it's just all starting with Afghanistan and Iraq just being the beginning, there's still North Korea and Iran and their nuclear ambitions and unstable Pakistan and India and starving countries and terrorists who will seek revenge for Iraq, it never ends and i want somebody leading the world who knows what he's doing and that's not Bush. Imagine the shame of having to ask for help at the U N, after ignoring them and going at it alone when the whole world was against it, except for the ones that could be bribed into shutting up, this guy looks like he has all the the worst traits of Nixon and Reagan. Yes bring back Clinton, i don't care that he fooled around, every other President did also, at least the economy was booming and the world was a safer place. Anyway Mickey, we have to get off this subject, or we will be warned again. When i think back at that warmonger Reagan looking like a sweet grandfather next to Lucy, all image and no substance except hatred and . . . i brought it back on topic.

Yes bring back Clinton, i don't care that he fooled around, every other President did also, at least the economy was booming and the world was a safer place. Yuck! That's easy for you to say, you're up there in Canada. I was hoping he'd get impeached:mad: :lol:

Lodee, Splain speaketh the truth! Clinton had America's economy in a better shape that it had been in years. He was probably the best president of the twentieth century. It's sad that his record has been tarnished by small-minded people who can't see past irrelevant marital indiscretions. (And no, I'm not saying that you're small-minded). Look back in history and you'll see hundreds of people who behaved in a similar way and worse. Martin Luther King, for example. Hell, what is JFK more famous for?! Clinton also had better world relations, although he should have responded to the Yugoslavian crisis sooner - but then so should Europe, who are a bloody sight closer!

Oh, but Splain's right. Keep on topic... um... I'm sure Clinton probably likes ILL more than Bush does! :lol:

Nice save Mick! Yes Lodee, for those of you here who think they're Canadian or British and shouldn't express an opinion, this is my answer, what the US President does affects the entire world, that's why we care so much, and every few years you guys pick a loser or someone who gets in because he's connected, and we ALL pay the price, this one has gone after us for so many things because he's so vengeful, let him show a little maturity and talent at his job and the world will help him out, if he says he's going in alone, he's going to wind up exactly that way, alone and needing help and soldiers and 90 BILLION when the current deficit is 500 BILLION and the debt is . . . But i hear he loves to watch an I Love Lucy show once in a while, so he's not all bad.

Umm... holds up hand to raise small point...

He didn't go in alone, Splain. Britain went in with him! :(

Still, we're paying the price for it. Half of our soldiers have been shot by the Americans!

It's not what he did that pissed me off, it's that he lied. If everybody did what he did and worse then why did he lie under oath. Anyway something about him just always bugged me.:mad:

:) Yeah, 'cause no politician ever lied before!

Seriously though - do you have any idea of the extent of the crimes committed by Nixon? Yet he was formally acquitted and allowed to go off about his business without any danger of criminal charges, let alone an impeachment. He shouldn't have been allowed to resign first. Sometimes it's like there's one law for the Republicans and another for the Democrats.

Anyway, technically Clinton didn't lie - it's a question of interpretation! :lol: He misbehaved, Lodee, and he shouldn't have. But if you'd lived in the UK during the eighties, and seen what we had to put up with, maybe you'd be willing to cut him as much slack as I do.

I know that Bush had help frrom Britain Mickey, but one country or even five out of hundreds is like going at it alone to me, look at the price they're paying, not just money but those poor young soldiers dying because of the lack of a concrete PLAN. And Margaret Thatcher was Reagan's female twin so we KNOW how much you suffered.

I just looked at old Lucy articles and came across this one where Gary says that Lucy came back as a ghost and convinced him to leave the house and get on with his life. Nice to know she advised him better than he ever did as HER manager.

I always knew Gary was a sick man. Then again, maybe he was telling the truth.

Originally posted by SPLAIN
I just looked at old Lucy articles and came across this one where Gary says that Lucy came back as a ghost and convinced him to leave the house and get on with his life. Nice to know she advised him better than he ever did as HER manager.


Was that from one of those tabloids or a reliable source CLAUDE?

Tabloid! But sometimes they get their facts straight too you know.

How about the time Desi got into trouble for shooting at some kids who were making a fuss on his land, he told the police he was shooting at them with blanks and then Lucy sent her driver with some blanks for him to have in case he needed them to back up his story.

i saw something somewhere too a certificate from the city of Del Mar to Desi saying he could shoot blanks anytime he wanted or something like that. lol

Is like he owned the whole DEL MAR or somethin':eek:

Well, i'm sure he was one of the most prominent citizens! How close is it to LA anyway?

Desi thinking he can fire blanks any time he wanted is better than Charlton Heston and co thinking they can fire real bullets anytime (and at anyone) they want!

Well the kids were on his property making a very loud disturbance at an UnGodly hour so he took matters into his own hands, but you're right Mickey, he wanted to scare them off when talking to them and trying to be rational did not work. Charlton is a perfect example of what's wrong with our society, the right to bear arms my foot, they've made access so easy that crime is rampant.

Hey, if someone was on my property period making noise, I would have fired real bullets, and not at the sky either!

I agree, maybe if it was on MY property, i'd feel differently also, then again, i'd start by calling the police, that's THEIR job right?

Right. But by the time they came, Desi would've been sleeping, and would have forgotten about the whole thing already.

Yes, but i think other people were there, that's why he was so upset, i think i remember Lucie being there.

Yes, Lucie was there along with a girlfriend of hers.

Lately, i keep hearing and reading that Desi could be a terror when drunk, i guess it used to be covered up back then. Like her and the way she treated guest stars on her later shows, sometimes, not always.

One of the most shocking things I heard about Desi was that he cursed out one of my favorite singers, Frank Sinatra, regarding "The Untouchables" series. I read that Frank and other Italians weren't too happy about the series.

I think the mob actually wanted to (and tried) to kill Desi because of that series. I know his high school friend Sonny Capone wasn't too happy about the way his father was portrayed on "The Untouchables."

I'm sorry but - "wasn't too happy about the way his father was portrayed"?! :lol: His father was a murderer. I mean, how else did they want him portrayed?!

As for Frank Sinatra - well, he chose the company he allegedly kept. He's not the best advert for not stereotyping Italians as being involved with the mob, is he!

God you're good when you're not attacking Lucy! Wish i had posted that!

I have never attacked Lucy! (intentionally). Honest. Really, really, truly. I haven't. Really. Honestly. :lol:

I really haven't.

In the words of Lucy Ricardo, NOT MUCH YOU DUN'T! LOL!

I stand up for myself, and for Desi, which became necessary here a month or two back. I've never intentionally said anything nasty about Lucy, but I don't find her as funny as you do. That's not meant to be an insult! :lol:

Honest. Really, truly.

Sigh. Never argue with a Canadian. :crazy:

:p

Don't blame Canadians for the way i am, it's Leos who always think they're right! And passionate people who aren't afraid to voice an unpopular opinion. I did the same thing as you claim to have done, i defend Lucy the way you defend Desi, that's all.

Originally posted by Mickey
I'm sorry but - "wasn't too happy about the way his father was portrayed"?! :lol: His father was a murderer. I mean, how else did they want him portrayed?!

As for Frank Sinatra - well, he chose the company he allegedly kept. He's not the best advert for not stereotyping Italians as being involved with the mob, is he!



My thoughts exactly. I was getting ready to respond and I scrolled down and you had already said it.

Hey I have a question and was wondering if anyone knew. Um..someone mentioned earlier that they heard Desi could be a terror when drunk...well I read in "Desilu" that Lucy would call Ann Southern crying or upset when Desi would come home late and drunk and say something like "Desi's drunk...Annie get a priest, do something!" I always wondered what was going on to make her say get a priest, if maybe he just scared her or if like they would fight physically.

Eeee! Look! I Love Desi's on! w00t! *cackles*

I'm not going to say anything..*whistles and walks casually away*

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Don't blame Canadians for the way i am, it's Leos who always think they're right!

I would say that I don't agree with that kind of stuff, but my mother's a Leo, so you could have a point!

;)

So was Lucy! What on earth is flashing in Crazyredhead's avatar?

Originally posted by SPLAIN
So was Lucy! What on earth is flashing in Crazyredhead's avatar?

:lol: It says "Viewer Discretion Advised." :lol: :confused: Still, cute avatar, crazyredhead!

LOLOLOL! I was waiting for that! :lol: It's supposed to be a joke over how mad Ricky gets! Sorry I'm stupid..Claude you need an avatar..want me to make you one? It doesn't have to be stupid like mine! :D

Probably his can be LUCY speaking FRENCH:D

God Forbid, spare me that French garbage. I would love an avatar of Lucy in the mid sixties when she looked her best, all right i know she looked great in the 40's and 50's also, as long as it's not the Stone Pillow Lucy!:lol: And, there is nothing wrong with yours, it looks great, i was just frustrated by the fact that i couldn't read it, that's all!

How do you say "Aw gee Ricky" in French anyway?!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh Richard?:lol:

I've been reading Ball of Fire, and learned a lot about Lucy and Desi. One of the saddest things was how they struggled for years to have children, and once they had them, were too busy with their careers to spend much time with them.
Also read how smart Desi was about the television business, when it was still so new that nobody was an expert yet.

Yes, but, compared to most Hollywood folks and considering how busy they were, i think they had plenty of time with their kids and had loving relationships with them. Look at Lucy on talk shows and she kept talking about them, instead of just pushing her projects, she was her era's Kathy Lee, bad example, but you know what i mean, in interviews also, tehy were always mentionned, and she even set them up with careers after working with them on her shows, risking ridicule if they hadn't cut the mustard. Thankfully they both did. What other superstar's kids showed up at tributes to their mother all their lives like they both did. I was saddened by Lucy mentionning many times that she had wished she had had more kids, she never forgot the ones she lost.

For me the most shocking thing wasn't what Lucy did but what was done to her! Minutes before she was to present an Emmy Award in the 1970's some cruel sicko managed to get ahold of her by phone and fake being a nurse then tell her that Desi, Jr. had been killed in a vehicular collision! :cuss:
Thankfully, she was able to find out her only son was ok and it was a sadistic prank but she was quite understandably in a state of shock minutes later when she went on stage on dropped the winning name on live national television. Most infuriatingly, as far as I've ever heard, the creep who pulled this was never found!:mad:

I remember reading that somewhere. That is pretty sick.

Yes Lodee, i've repeated that story many times myself, sick indeed, and the audience had no way of knowing why Lucy looked so flustered. Gary talked to Desi jr and assured her he was ok before she went on but the damaged had been done. I think this may have been the time she couln't read the cue cards and asked for glasses and Milton went up on stage with drinking glasses, no wonder she didn't laugh!

Yes Lodee, i've repeated that story many times myself, sick indeed

That's probably where I read it. ;)

Well, as sick as it was, it still makes for a great story, can you imagine that happening? Lucy never forgot it either, maybe that's why she told Lee Tannen when she left for the Oscars, I'LL BE BACK AS SOON AS I'VE MADE A FOOL OF MYSELF! Or words to that effect!