When "Dallas" first started, it used to show Ray and Lucy going into the barn to fool around. A few years later, it was revealed that Ray was Jock's illegitimate son, and Lucy's uncle. Wouldn't this have been kind of a shock to both of them???

Oh well... JR had an affair with Sue Ellen's sister... Jenna went from Bobby to Ray... Cliff had an affair with Sue Ellen, which resulted in John Ross...

Welcome to Dallas!!!

But none of those couples were related by blood. puke:

Originally posted by hawaii five-o
But none of those couples were related by blood. puke: After Ray was determined to be a Ewing, the show never mentioned the Ray-Lucy relationship again. I sort have wished they would have mentioned it, but incest didn't exist on tv during the 1980's.

it didn't bother me they did not mention it- after all, what would they say? It's strange, but in earlier times, men used to date their nieces at times and I guess people didn't think much of it- I know the philosopher Voltaire carried on with his neice and she was the last mate of his life but back then, royalty used to marry their sisters and brothers- they say it is one of the reasons the French royal line was nuts at one time- because they kept marrying their brothers and sisters and having crazy children.

I mean, no one held it against Ray and Lucy, they didn't know, but Ray was too old for Lucy and I think she was a minor at the time- he should have not been fooling around with her in the first place-

it didn't bother me they did not mention it- after all, what would they say? It's strange, but in earlier times, men used to date their nieces at times and I guess people didn't think much of it- I know the philosopher Voltaire carried on with his neice and she was the last mate of his life but back then, royalty used to marry their sisters and brothers- they say it is one of the reasons the French royal line was nuts at one time- because they kept marrying their brothers and sisters and having crazy children.

I mean, no one held it against Ray and Lucy, they didn't know, but Ray was too old for Lucy and I think she was a minor at the time- he should have not been fooling around with her in the first place-
He had been hanging around with JR too long.:lol:

Later on after he parted company with JR his character became a goody two shoes. :lol:

Oh well... JR had an affair with Sue Ellen's sister... Jenna went from Bobby to Ray... Cliff had an affair with Sue Ellen, which resulted in John Ross...

Welcome to Dallas!!!

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That about sums it up, I think. :lol:

I remember on the True Hollywood story that the producers chose to just leave things as they were and not revisit them again. In a way, I can understand what they did. Can you imagine the controversial storylines? However, if I were Lucy, Ray, Pam or Bobby, I would have questioned that since these were the only four people that knew what was going on. Ray Krebbs in the beginning was a filthy, disgusting pervert screwing a seventeen year old little brat. Ray was still hung up on Pam while he and Lucy were up in the barn loft. Lucy would tell Ray to say Pam's name while he was "with Lucy". At first he was reluctant but slowly began to get into it. Later down the line, Ray became more of a sweet guy who had his ups and downs. Total character change from the one we were used to seeing from the mini series. He and JR would have one night stands together with women they didn't even know. Lucy would always be flirting with men in their 20's and 30's. Pam help set Lucy straight during the mini series eps. There was a whole lot of Drama at Southfork.

John Ross was not the result of Sue Ellen and Cliff...it was assumed for a short time that he was the father

I've heard that they even edited out the scenes with the Ray and Lucy relationship, because not even "Dallas" was ready for incest storylines yet at the time.

DALLAS has always been shown intact. The Ray and Lucy storyline had to remain, there is no way they could edit that out without affecting the rest of the show's storylines.

Wow... I must have misunderstood something. I don't remember the first seasons too clearly either, because it was a long time since I saw them.

It happens. :lol: I am like that right now with Different Strokes. Unless I see the episode, I can't recall the details.

After Ray was revealed to be Jock's son they never ever mentioned the Ray-Lucy affair again. They hoped everyone forgot about that but they forgot one thing....syndication. :lol:

I guess that was what I read, that they hoped people would forget about it.

Even before DALLAS went into syndication, I could not forget that affair. It was stuck there like white on rice. :lol: I was shocked as hell when Ray was revealed to be her half-uncle.

Even before DALLAS went into syndication, I could not forget that affair. It was stuck there like white on rice. :lol: I was shocked as hell when Ray was revealed to be her half-uncle.
See I didn't start watching it until about the 10th episode so I missed all that. I didn't see it until syndication. I was like wow. :lol:

See I didn't start watching it until about the 10th episode so I missed all that. I didn't see it until syndication. I was like wow. :lol:
Even if you saw it in syndication the first time, you did not miss a thing. You seen it like I seen it...raw and dirty. :D

After Ray was revealed to be Jock's son they never ever mentioned the Ray-Lucy affair again. They hoped everyone forgot about that but they forgot one thing....syndication. :lol:


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DARN YOU CINDY....Cation that is! :lol:

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DARN YOU CINDY....Cation that is! :lol:
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Oh you would think those writers at DALLAS would be smart enough to know abt shows being rerunned. My gosh, this was the 80's, not the 50's. :crazy: :lol:

Obviously not. :lol:

Obviously not. :lol:
Bingo!!!! You said it. :lol:

Even before DALLAS went into syndication, I could not forget that affair. It was stuck there like white on rice. :lol: I was shocked as hell when Ray was revealed to be her half-uncle.
Don't forget that "killing" off Bobby screwed up Knots Landing who also wrote his "demise" into their show. Valene even named her and Gary's baby boy after Bobby. Dallas wasn't very good with continuity (though it was better in that regard than LHOP and Good Times, :lol:).

Don't forget that "killing" off Bobby screwed up Knots Landing who also wrote his "demise" into their show. Valene even named her and Gary's baby boy after Bobby. Dallas wasn't very good with continuity (though it was better in that regard than LHOP and Good Times, :lol:).
Ah yes, poor KL. I remember watching that whole storyline play out on Knots (being a fan of that show as well) and when Patrick Duffy and Larry Hagman had announced Bobby would come back, I couldn't help but think what was going to happen on KL regarding Bobby's supposed death. :crazy: NOTHING! At that point the writers at KL never mentioned any Dallas connections again. :lol:

^ I don't blame them. :lol:

:rofl: Neither do I. I can imagine them like this: :wallbang:

:rofl: Neither do I. I can imagine them like this: :wallbang:
Or this: :censored: :censored: :censored:

Or this: :censored: :censored: :censored:
Great!!!! :rofl:

Ok a combination of both of those :censored: :censored: :wallbang:

Great!!!! :rofl:

Ok a combination of both of those :censored: :censored: :wallbang:
Yes, I think it was a combination of both. :rofl:

I understand that they didn't like the dream thing, since it might have screwed up their storylines too, if they suddenly had Bobby come back too.

Well, Bobby did come back and it did screw things up alright. :lol:

What pissed me off was him coming back only to have Victoria leave the show. :faint: :mad:

Oh yeah, and that sucked so much!

I will say this. The one good thing that Bobby getting killed off did for me was make me a fan of KL. I had watched it a little bit when it first came on but I stopped. I turned over there to see the Bobby storyline and got hooked. I watched it till the end and became a big fan. KL was a better show than Dallas during the later years. So I thank Dallas for that. :lol:

That was the end of DALLAS for me in syndication. During its first run I watched it all the way til the end. But in reruns, I cannot get past the Pam in the hospital episodes. I can't. It is not Pam. Pam would never have left Christopher behind after almost wanting to jump off that building way back when she couldn't have kids. As a mother that is just stupid!!!!!! :mad:

That was the end of DALLAS for me in syndication. During its first run I watched it all the way til the end. But in reruns, I cannot get past the Pam in the hospital episodes. I can't. It is not Pam. Pam would never have left Christopher behind after almost wanting to jump off that building way back when she couldn't have kids. As a mother that is just stupid!!!!!! :mad:
You're not alone. I've read where a lot of fans say they won't buy any DVDs after either the dream or Pam's disappearance. I want them all though. One thing I hated about the later season was they made JR so dumb. Getting put on a chain gang...getting trapped in a sanatarium. The old JR never would have let that happen.

You're not alone. I've read where a lot of fans say they won't buy any DVDs after either the dream or Pam's disappearance. I want them all though. One thing I hated about the later season was they made JR so dumb. Getting put on a chain gang...getting trapped in a sanatarium. The old JR never would have let that happen.
I am debating whether to buy those seasons as well. I guess I should as a collector's item. :lol:

You are right. I remember we chatted abt J.R. and how he would not have allowed such things to happen to him. I am shocked that Larry Hagman even conceded to such plots! I mean, he didn't want the lesbian storyline but he was ok with marrying a young, virgin Callie???? And be stuck married to her??? :faint: Gimme a break people. No way. And that whole sanitarium storyline...pathetic.

I will say this. The one good thing that Bobby getting killed off did for me was make me a fan of KL. I had watched it a little bit when it first came on but I stopped. I turned over there to see the Bobby storyline and got hooked. I watched it till the end and became a big fan. KL was a better show than Dallas during the later years. So I thank Dallas for that. :lol:

Not to mention KL (1979-93) actually ran longer than Dallas (1978-91). I was 3 months old when KL began and was in 7th grade when it ended. :lol: My Girl Scout leader was a HUGE KL fan - one reason why our troop meetings were never scheduled on Thursdays. :lol:

I am debating whether to buy those seasons as well. I guess I should as a collector's item. :lol:

You are right. I remember we chatted abt J.R. and how he would not have allowed such things to happen to him. I am shocked that Larry Hagman even conceded to such plots! I mean, he didn't want the lesbian storyline but he was ok with marrying a young, virgin Callie???? And be stuck married to her??? :faint: Gimme a break people. No way. And that whole sanitarium storyline...pathetic.
and Larry became an executive producer at that time. He had the power to dictate storlines. :ohno:

Not to mention KL (1979-93) actually ran longer than Dallas (1978-91). I was 3 months old when KL began and was in 7th grade when it ended. :lol: My Girl Scout leader was a HUGE KL fan - one reason why our troop meetings were never scheduled on Thursdays. :lol:
KL was a great show. It was like DALLAS without getting over glamorous like DYNASTY. I remember when Sid was killed off. :eek: :(

I am debating whether to buy those seasons as well. I guess I should as a collector's item. :lol:

You are right. I remember we chatted abt J.R. and how he would not have allowed such things to happen to him. I am shocked that Larry Hagman even conceded to such plots! I mean, he didn't want the lesbian storyline but he was ok with marrying a young, virgin Callie???? And be stuck married to her??? :faint: Gimme a break people. No way. And that whole sanitarium storyline...pathetic.

Was Linda Gray still on the show when JR married that young girl??

Not to mention KL (1979-93) actually ran longer than Dallas (1978-91). I was 3 months old when KL began and was in 7th grade when it ended. :lol: My Girl Scout leader was a HUGE KL fan - one reason why our troop meetings were never scheduled on Thursdays. :lol:
I was a such a big fan. I also watched it when it went into syndication so I could see the early episodes I missed. I can't believe I ever gave up on that show. I think I stopped watching originally after the first season and before Abby joined the cast. The Val's babies storyline really had me hooked and Chip Roberts...I loved his story. :lol: KL just had a great cast. When I picked up on in after Bobby died, Alec Baldwin was on it and boy he was great. I don't even like him but he was great on KL.

Was Linda Gray still on the show when JR married that young girl??
Oh yea. She called Callie JR's virgin bride. :lol: Sue Ellen even attended JR's wedding to her and everyone got trapped at southfork because of a tornado. :lol:

I was a such a big fan. I also watched it when it went into syndication so I could see the early episodes I missed. I can't believe I ever gave up on that show. I think I stopped watching originally after the first season and before Abby joined the cast. The Val's babies storyline really had me hooked and Chip Roberts...I loved his story. :lol: KL just had a great cast. When I picked up on in after Bobby died, Alec Baldwin was on it and boy he was great. I don't even like him but he was great on KL.
Remember how they even brought back Lisa Hartman because the fans had written stating they loved her character and wanted her back. The writers then came up with a character who was a double. :eek: That was a good storyline. I loved it!!! I hated when Lisa Hartman left the show, both times.

Remember how they even brought back Linda Hartman because the fans had written stating they loved her character and wanted her back. The writers then came up with a character who was a double. :eek: That was a good storyline. I loved it!!! I hated when Lisa Hartman left the show, both times.
Lisa Hartman was a good actress. Now that double was believable. Dallas couldn't come up with something better than a dream to bring Bobby back? KL was good from beginning to end. When they thought they were in trouble during the next to the last season, they shut the production down so they could fix it...and they did. I wonder what would have happened if David Jacobs would have stayed in charge of Dallas? I liked Leonard Katzman but I think in the end by forcing out Phil Capice it hurt the show. They might not have liked each other but the results were better when they were both in charge of the show together..

Lisa Hartman was a good actress. Now that double was believable. Dallas couldn't come up with something better than a dream to bring Bobby back? KL was good from beginning to end. When they thought they were in trouble during the next to the last season, they shut the production down so they could fix it...and they did. I wonder what would have happened if David Jacobs would have stayed in charge of Dallas? I liked Leonard Katzman but I think in the end by forcing out Phil Capice it hurt the show. They might not have liked each other but the results were better when they were both in charge of the show together..
Of all people, it was Patrick Duffy's wife who came up with the dream plot. :crazy: I remember Patrick talking abt that on some talk show.

I think KL saw what happened on DALLAS and felt they owed it to the fans to not follow suit with bad storylines. Obviously the KL writers listened to the fans enough to bring back Lisa Hartman. I made a goof, I said LINDA instead of Lisa.

I just loved Lisa Hartman's short, spiky, teased '80s hair. :lol:

I remember how Lisa was THEE HAIRSTYLE of that era. She and Patti Labelle had it going ON. :lol: Lisa would spike that do. Only she could get away with that style (as well as Patti). I would see her in magazines and on Entertainment Tonight with this huge hair. :eek:

My favorite KL chaeacter was Greg Sumner. I became a big William Devan fan . :lol: I still remember that strip croqet game he and Paige played. :lol:

My favorite KL chaeacter was Greg Sumner. I became a big William Devan fan . :lol: I still remember that strip croqet game he and Paige played. :lol:

I read somewhere that William Devane thought the strip croquet match was the stupidest idea the writers had ever come up with. He did acknowledge it was one of the most popular scenes ever aired on KL. :lol:

I read somewhere that William Devane thought the strip croquet match was the stupidest idea the writers had ever come up with. He did acknowledge it was one of the most popular scenes ever aired on KL. :lol:
I might be the minority here (other than Sonny of course :lol:) but I never could understand why any woman found him attractive. :eek: I couldn't get past that. :lol:

I read somewhere that William Devane thought the strip croquet match was the stupidest idea the writers had ever come up with. He did acknowledge it was one of the most popular scenes ever aired on KL. :lol:
You never know what will be a hit with fans. :lol:

I might be the minority here (other than Sonny of course :lol:) but I never could understand why any woman found him attractive. :eek: I couldn't get past that. :lol:
You know what they say money and power and he had both...:lol: I will say though I think Laura was the love of his life. When she died that was heartbreaking.

You know what they say money and power and he had both...:lol: I will say though I think Laura was the love of his life. When she died that was heartbreaking.

He was sure a lot better for Laura than that slimy weasel Richard Avery!!

He was sure a lot better for Laura than that slimy weasel Richard Avery!!
Oh God, isn't that the truth. :mad:

I hated when Laura died. Man, why do all the good ones have to die? :(

He was sure a lot better for Laura than that slimy weasel Richard Avery!!
You didn't like Richard? :rofl: If you looked in a dictionary for the word wimp....you'd see a picture of him. :lol:

You didn't like Richard? :rofl: If you looked in a dictionary for the word wimp....you'd see a picture of him. :lol:
That's for sure. It's so fitting that Richard was a lawyer. I could just see him chasing ambulances. :lol:

That's for sure. It's so fitting that Richard was a lawyer. I could just see him chasing ambulances. :lol:
:rofl: So true. :lol: Remember how he came back for Laura's funeral. :crazy:

That's for sure. It's so fitting that Richard was a lawyer. I could just see him chasing ambulances. :lol:I never liked Richard,either.He treated Laura like crap!