We know that Ricky wouldn't let Lucy be in any of his shows or movies he did out in Hollywood. Do you think he was jealous of Lucy?

Uh, I hate to say it but "Lucy" had no talent (Not that this applies to Lucille Ball herself, because we all know she had loads of talent ;) )

Then again, come to think of it, Lucy did some decent dance routines. It was just a problem when she tried to sing :eek:

Ricky had nothing to be jealous about. He was a terrific singer and dancer, and an amazing drummer. Lucy was lousy at everything she tried to do, except chaos-causing, naturally, which she excelled at. His trying to stop her from getting into showbiz was just a plot device.

I couldn't believe it when first heard Lucille Ball sing for real, in one of her films. I'd only ever heard her sing as Lucy, and we all know what that sounds like :). Mind you, she used to prove to be oddly good at singing and dancing when the story called for it...!

Still wasn't as good as Ricky though. (Or Desi)

(Stands back and waits for Splain to jump in...)

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That made me laugh, for more than one reason! LOL! Yes, isn't it amazing that she couldn't sing in one episode but made him look like a bum in another, remember her dancing with Van, or vancing with Dan, i have to admit, Desi was great with the ad lib in that one though! She could also be incredibly stupid one minute and incredibly smart in another, yes, the ONE single flaw i have always been annoyed by on this show and watching it for half a century, why couldn't they have someone in charge of continuity, so they wouldn't have such glaring mistakes that made no sense. Then i recall it was a comedy show that just relied on these haphazard plot devices to move things along or suit that show's particular plotline. After all, those three and eventually five writers, wrote all those great shows in such a short period of time, when you compare it to today's fifty writers writing one show once in a while and NEVER making us laugh, you cut them some slack! Hey Mick, i'm not always defending Lucy, just stating FACTS, LOL!

Originally posted by SPLAIN
That made me laugh, for more than one reason! LOL! Yes, isn't it amazing that she couldn't sing in one episode but made him look like a bum in another, remember her dancing with Van, or vancing with Dan, i have to admit, Desi was great with the ad lib in that one though! She could also be incredibly stupid one minute and incredibly smart in another, yes, the ONE single flaw i have always been annoyed by on this show and watching it for half a century, why couldn't they have someone in charge of continuity, so they wouldn't have such glaring mistakes that made no sense. Then i recall it was a comedy show that just relied on these haphazard plot devices to move things along or suit that show's particular plotline. After all, those three and eventually five writers, wrote all those great shows in such a short period of time, when you compare it to today's fifty writers writing one show once in a while and NEVER making us laugh, you cut them some slack! Hey Mick, i'm not always defending Lucy, just stating FACTS, LOL!

Hey Claude.. someone has to defend Lucy on these boards ;) Looks like its you and me to defend!! I agree.. a comedy doesnt have to make sense all the time. That is what I have been saying all along. Its entertainment it doesnt have to be realistic.

Yes, isn't it amazing that she couldn't sing in one episode but made him look like a bum in another

Nothing Lucy, or Lucille, could ever make Ricky, or Desi, look like a bum. He was way better than she was! :)

remember her dancing with Van, or vancing with Dan, i have to admit, Desi was great with the ad lib in that one though!

Nope, don't remember! I probably have seen it, about ten years ago. One day they may get around to releasing the episode on DVD!

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Originally posted by Mickey


Nope, don't remember! I probably have seen it, about ten years ago. One day they may get around to releasing the episode on DVD!

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WHAT????? :eek: :eek: Desi was talented no doubt about it.. but Lucille .. wow.. I am still in shock you said that. LOL, but hey we all have our opinions... oops sorry i realized I posted the wrong section that I wanted to quote .. LOL Sorry about that!!

You see Ash, the poor man is sitting there in Britain and Mad Cow all around him and everything, it was bound to happen, reached his brain and all! LOL! Ok, One had to get jobs for the OTHER all the time, who was it again, oh yeah, this bongo player couldn't get jobs because in movies, they were talkies back then and nobody could understand him, so she got him a job as Hope's bandleader, then she got him a job on her show, but again they refused, so she said no Desi, no show, so they relented, he tried to come back after a while in a new show, but without Lucy, it lasted a season and a half, then he wrote a book about their love story and that did well, of course, it was about the Queen of Television and her husband, whose name escapes me at the moment, LOL! Seriously, and i'm not kidding Mick, she loved that man so much that when he died and almost nobody remembered him or went to his funeral or wrote about him in the papers, till she got things going, as usual, and the next day, he was all over the papers, her people had done their work and he got a fitting tribute. He was a great father, a good business man and if he hadn't married the Queen of Comedy, he would have been the answer to a trivia question, but, he made her happy, had class, and chose the right projects for her, unlike her second husband who was a dunce in that department. The two of them created beautiful kids and the greatest TV show that was ever created, a perfect match. By the way Mick, i found some Doctor Who DVD's and thought of you, i looked at and read the boxes, but still have no idea what that was all about!

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Ok, One had to get jobs for the OTHER all the time, who was it again, oh yeah, this bongo player couldn't get jobs because in movies, they were talkies back then and nobody could understand him, so she got him a job as Hope's bandleader, then she got him a job on her show, but again they refused, so she said no Desi, no show, so they relented, he tried to come back after a while in a new show, but without Lucy, it lasted a season and a half, then he wrote a book about their love story and that did well, of course, it was about the Queen of Television and her husband, whose name escapes me at the moment, LOL!

Long sentence, lol! Anyway, I don't know if you are giving Desi enough credit. It's not like he would be sitting at home jobless if Lucy hadn't gotten him jobs with Hope, on ILL, etc. Her motivation for getting him those jobs was not to save his career, but to keep him at home. He was a very successful bandleader and would be touring the country, far away from her, otherwise. Granted, the popularity of nightclubs slowly began to decline, but there were still jobs for Desi. He was well-known and still young and sexy. People wanted to see him perform. So I wouldn't paint Lucy as the sole person who got Desi's career going. He was very much his own man. But in Lucy's defense, I don't agree that one of them was any more talented than the other. They each had their own unique talents which combined to help create the biggest tv show of all time.

Darlin, you know very well i only came out guns blazin because he attacked Lucy insinuating that she couldn't match his talent which is just plain ridiculous! Let's quote HIM again, Lucy was 90% of the show, the rest of us were just props, good props mind you, but props nonetheless. Of course you're right, she DID get him that job with Hope, so he wouldn't be on the road chasing those babes all over the country, she insisted he stick to the Hollywood variety! LOL! Did she not insist that he do HER show, so eventually his talents as a producer director were discovered, and then our little genius sold the rights to I Love Lucy and bought RKO with the money, instead of keeping the shows which would have meant that he would have left money when he died instead of debts. BUT, he was the LOVE of her life and a great talent, yes, charismatic and enjoyed life, THERE you have me, he knew how to live and enjoy life, she did NOT! But, seriously, i think he would have been another Xavier Cugat once the nightclubs dissapeared. In other words, forgotten by the masses. The proof of that is that when he died, he was forgotten, and yet he was this BIG time star of the most popular TV show of all time and a great producer and studio owner, so imagine if all that hadn't happened. . .

Gotta go with Mickey on this one. DON'T HIT ME!

They were equally talented at what they did as Lucille and Desi...but Lucy Ricardo...she had nothing on Ricky.

And that continuity thing, even if they weren't looking for it, don't you think someone would have noticed the Mertzes had too many washing machines?

Splain dear, I was teasing. I don't think Lucy was talentless, and I wasn't attacking her. I do, however, think that Desi was funnier. And I prefer his singing voice. And I'm almost certain that she couldn't play drums better than him!

As for the rest... It's not Desi's fault, and no reflection on his talents, that he couldn't get movie jobs because "nobody could understand him". That's America's hang up, not his! The reason Lucy had to work hard to get him on board ILL was because of racism, not because he wasn't talented enough. And the reason his death went practically unreported before her interference is because the media is a fickle thing. If he was dying today instead, with the current craze for nostalgia, it would probably be reported every which way. Being forgotten by the media doesn't mean you're less talented than the people who aren't forgotten.

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Hey, i was teasing too, i LOVE Desi, i have only that negative thing about selling the rights to the show to CBS to buy RKO, the rest i was kidding about, and you could not have stated it better, true, it was racism, and he was the most charismatic fun guy in the entertainment industry, and MOST of her jokes on the show would not have gotten the reaction they did if the world's greatest straight man had not done such a great job, you're absolutely right! When will you guys UNDERSTAND me, I'm French and not always clear in my comments, stop worrying about my reactions, we're all friends here discussing things, the thing i like most about THIS board is there is no constant fawning over Lucy, but bash her and all bets are off! LOL!

I'm not reading your reactions wrong, don't worry. You might be French and misunderstood - I'm British and too dry! People on boards always take my meaning wrong too.

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Yeah, well I'm American, apathetic, and over-the-top! :lol:

No one gets wit over a phone line, no matter where you are.

Well, regardless of your Pro Desi anti Lucy rants Mick and your I'm so tired of Lucy rants Dawsongirl, i always liked and enjoyed your posts or I wouldn't be here! Hope i said that one correctly. Isn't there enough stress in our world, so we come on here and sometimes vent a little, what's wrong with that?, if i didn't respect the people, i wouldn't even bother answering. LOL!

To overanalyze the show for just a second, lol.


I think deep down Ricky was jealous of Lucy. Remember it was Lucy not Ricky who was offered the TV contract when the TV Execs came to see Ricky's show (Episode #6). It was Lucy, who, when she did sneak into the act she usually overshadowed whatever Ricky did (I'm speaking in terms of the episodes where Lucy sneaks into the act, and chaos is not the result...Ex. "The Diet").

When she performs at MGM's studio party, she's offered a movie contract that could've rivialed Ricky's had he given her the chance and not made her feel guilty.

When she wanted a job, what did she get? A job co-hosting a national morning TV show, something that would've been great for Ricky's career at the time.

How could Ricky not be Jealous, without much effort, and usually just the result of another "scheme" Lucy could steal Ricky's thunder and be the 'star' of the family.... Imagine what she could've accomplished had her creative energy not been stifiled (sp?) at every turn by Ricky.

Yes, but Lucy only had those talents when it was necessary for the story! Nine times out of ten she didn't have any talent at all. She messed everything up, couldn't do simple dance routines, was a lousy singer, and couldn't even do a simple thing like reading out a TV commercial without getting drunk and screwing everything up. The only times Lucy was in a position to get a better job than Ricky was when we were seeing Lucille Ball rather than Lucy Ricardo.

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Originally posted by Mickey
Yes, but Lucy only had those talents when it was necessary for the story! Nine times out of ten she didn't have any talent at all.

Nine times out of ten she wasn't given the chance to display those talents because of a certain bandleader. When she did however she usually upstaged him and for a short time took the glory away from Ricky. That is until Ricky flex his muscle and stifiled Lucy yet again...
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And if we want to continue over-analyzing...

Vitameatavegamin was 23% alcohol, therefore any actress could've become "snookered" off of the concoction (However would they have been as funny as Lucy Ricardo) . Also, obviously Ricky career didn't falter because of it, therefore we can surmise (sp?) that the public thought it was "comedy act" set up by the genius Ricky Ricardo (a plot device used more than once to "save the day")...so either way you look at it Lucy Ricardo again upstages Ricky.

If I'd been watching Ricky's show (the one from the Vitameatavegamin ep) I wouldn't have thought "Comedy genius Ricky comes up with another hilarious act there featuring a drunken woman". I'd have thought "Poor guy, doing a great song routine, and some moronic woman stumbles on stage clearly drunk and gets in the way. What's Security up to?!"

Sorry!

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Thankfully you weren't among those in the fictional television audience to tune into that fictional television show to watch a certain individual be upstaged yet again by his radiant (and hysterically funny) wife....


Sorry


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BTW, I wonder if Lucy Ricardo recieved yet another TV contract offer from that tv station (over Ricky yet again...the guy just can't get a break can he,lol)? Even drunk out of her mind she upstages.......nevermind:D :D

:) You know, I could almost believe that you're Splain, hiding under a different alias!

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here. I just don't think that Ricky had anything to be jealous about... unless he wanted to be a talentless ditz who occasionally (maybe when the moon was full?!) acquired the ability to sing and dance like a pro, and then lost it again whenever they needed a cheap laugh.

It does amuse me when Ricky bans Lucy from going into showbiz though. (Regardless of the talent issue). It's just so brilliantly old fashioned and sexist! Like in the Vitameatavegamin ep, when he's told her she can't do the commercial, and then fusses 'cause she won't make him his breakfast, and he's hungry. There's an easy answer to that one, Rick...

There you go, he does have a reason to be jealous. Ricky would like Lucy's kitchen skills.:)

Originally posted by Mickey
:) You know, I could almost believe that you're Splain, hiding under a different alias!

Just because Splain and I share the same opinions and happen to be the same person, that does not mean that this username is an alias...

lol

I can assure you....NO.. we are not the same person.


I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here.

We can agree to disagree as long as we both agree that I'm right.;)



I just don't think that Ricky had anything to be jealous about...

Part of it was male ego and wanting the "homemaker" wife, and part of was the fact that if Lucy were given the proper chance she would possibly shine and he couldn't deal with that.

Alot to do with pride and not wanting the wife to be the "breadwinner"....Jealously, because when Lucy did get the proper chance she usually upstaged and drew the attention away from his endeavors.


unless he wanted to be a talentless ditz who occasionally (maybe when the moon was full?!) acquired the
ability to sing and dance like a pro, and then lost it again whenever they needed a cheap laugh.

Correction...

"A talentless ditz" who when given the proper chance usually upstaged her egocentric husband;)


There you go, he does have a reason to be jealous. Ricky would like Lucy's kitchen skills.

Well Ricky needed to plot with Fred more often to get Lucy out of the house so that he could get into that kitchen more often. Unfortunately, it appears his jealously of Lucy's potential for showbusiness outweighed his desire to Cook so he choose to lack in the kitchen area and forbid her from working onstage.

Well of course what you say may be true... but Ricky was still the one with all the talent!

Originally posted by Mickey
but Ricky was still the one with all the talent!

Yes, the talent for forcing the person you love to give up their dream because your insecure about what she may accomplish compared to you...;)



LOL, I should win an award for great comeback lines...:p

This is bizarre. Here I am having an argument with you about which of two fictional characters is most talented (clearly Ricky, no question!) and on another site I'm having an argument with somebody about whether Wormtail's silver hand would be able to kill Remus Lupin, or whether the silver would have to be fashioned into a bullet or knife first in order to have any effect.

Maybe I need to get out more. :)

None of which alters the fact that Ricky had more talent in his little finger than Lucy had in her whole body! She certainly could never have played the drums like that...

Originally posted by Mickey
This is bizarre. Here I am having an argument with you about which of two fictional characters is most talented (clearly Ricky, no question!)


I think you need to get out more as well, because that's not what this fictitious argument is about, lol

This argument is about whether or not Ricky was Jealous of Lucy potential for a career in showbiz.

Ricky was obviously more musically inclined than Lucy, but with the talent Lucy did have what could she have accomplished? We don't know because Ricky's fear, insecurity, and jealously prevented Lucy from exploring a career (Sidenote: Though we do know that whenever Lucy and Ricky did share the stage, Lucy usually upstaged her husband).;)

Oh no she didn't!

Oh yes she did!!

What happened to our properly reasoned arguments?!

Oh no she didn't!

I got tired of over-analyzing Lucy and Ricky's relationship, lol. Besides, I'm right, and "Oh yes she did" takes less time.


With that said (or typed)


Oh yes she did!!!!!

I fear this could go on some time...

Oh no she didn't!

Ricky wasn't jealous.
It was the '50's, the majority of wives were housewives.
That' what Ricky wanted a wife to cook his meals have his children you know the typical housewife stuff.And Lucy knew this.:)