"It is not myself I am thinking about, but it is the affect of what might happen to whatever is left that bothers me" -- Walt Disney
The "new" Disney Channel is ignoring the very principles they were founded under and is spitting on the Disney name as a whole.
The following comment is from a once proud Disney Channel viewer who has signed the official petition. They sum up our case perfectly:
"I live in an area where the Disney Channel is a premium channel. After subscribing for nearly ten years, we unsubscribed in the fall of 1998 ... Fall [of] 1998 was when I started college, so I had grown up with the Disney Channel but had lost interest with the changing program. Without me at home, my parents nixed the channel. Through the 'old' Disney Channel, I was introduced to wonderful old movies. It was on Disney that I first saw a lot of the Disney classics as well as Hollywood classics like the musicals of Rogers and Hammerstein. It used to be programming that my parents and I could watch together when I was younger. Now the only group your channel plays to is the 12 and under crowd. Shame on you! Disney is about family and once this channel was for family, now it’s a commercial filled unwatchable channel for Disney fans. I might as well watch Nickelodeon or MTV and I don't have to pay extra."
We are not saying that they should get rid of programs such as Lizzie McGuire and Boy Meets World. Rather, mix current shows in with other daytime programming such as higher quality behind the scenes shows, Classic Hollywood (A Disney Channel series that used to show live action films from Hollywood’s Golden Age), cartoon shorts, old cartoon series from Disney Afternoon (Perhaps the channel could have its own two hour Disney Afternoon show with rotating cartoons each day; like Pepper Ann, Ducktales, Talespin, and Doug one day; Tarzan, Recess, Goof Troop and Darkwing Duck another; and so on), and vintage episodes of Walt Disney’s television shows. Bring back the yearly Animation Festival, Disneyland/Walt Disney World history shows and opening day programs on each parks birthday. It’s not too much to ask for. The station would not only re-gain its legacy and original reputation, but it would undoubtedly receive a broader and more diversified audience.
Hey ... Why not just turn Disneyland into a giant playground with shops? There's an idea. After all, it would be cheaper to operate and future generations will know it only it as a giant kiddy area. Not the family entertainment giant it once was.
Just like the Disney Channel.
If certain areas in this company ignore their principles, they stop the Disney name from flourishing. Not just as a company. But also as a man. A pioneer. Walt Disney, to be precise. Whose philosophy in the Disney Company was always to entice people to visit all of their masterpieces by providing nothing but "High quality family entertainment." The company he built currently preaches about family, yet at the same time ignores the very aspects and principles of family entertainment upon which they were built.
When the Disney Channel began to ignore these ideals, they helped to stop the Disney name from flourishing. Not just as a company. And Flourishing into what it was destined to be.
But also as a man. And What he was always meant to be.
Please sign the petition, get company mailing addresses and join the campaign at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/
preservethemagic
If anything, transform ABC Family into Walt Disney Family and put old Disney programming there. What is the harm of mixing in classic Disney films and TV shows for current and future generations to enjoy? After all, "this" is where Disney came from; "this" is where Disney was more of a magical legacy than a generic brand name, such as Nickelodeon or MTV.
I remember watching Bonanza on the Hallmark Channel one night, and I got kind of teary eyed during the commercial breaks when they showed previews of what westerns, classic Disney films and original all-American movies were coming up. I remember thinking to myself "This is how the Disney Channel used to be; these are the values upon which they were built." The only difference is that Disney included cartoons and other children's programming during weekday mornings and afternoons.
But the Hallmark Channel is what the Disney Channel once was; and what the Disney Channel was always meant to be.
And It’s sad.
Please sign this petition and join the campaign:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/
preservethemagic

I like the way the channel is right now. And all those cartoons they named like Pepper Ann is what Toon Disney is for.....

I miss Growing Pains!

You may like it, but what TDC is doing is morally wrong; and if you read my post instead of skimming it like I know you probably did, you'll see why.
I know what TDC was built around. And I know who Walt Disney was. I know the principles that he spent 95% of his life building for this company. I know that TDC was built around these principles.
And I know what an insult they now are to the Disney name, as both a company, a man and an entire family.

Originally posted by Ewan's My Man
I miss Growing Pains!
me too!

I wish Nick at Nite would air it.

Originally posted by trekkie
You may like it, but what TDC is doing is morally wrong; and if you read my post instead of skimming it like I know you probably did, you'll see why.
I know what TDC was built around. And I know who Walt Disney was. I know the principles that he spent 95% of his life building for this company. I know that TDC was built around these principles.
And I know what an insult they now are to the Disney name, as both a company, a man and an entire family.

I read most of it, then I got bored so I skimmed the rest. But I know what your saying, but I still like the way the channel is now.

Originally posted by Ravey
[color=deeppink]I like the way the channel is right now. color]
I hate it. It has gone to good to bad to worse in a matter of six years and probably less than that. The channel has completely changed from it's original programming. The old Disney channel back then was far more better than it is now. Back then, they had everything from classic movies to great cartoons (Ducktales, Goof Troop, ect.) to series of all kinds. It was great.

OK; as long as you read it and understand where we're coming from.

At least you're not one of those naive 13 yr olds who see this and won't even read the thing before brutally assaulting me verbally (Which I've had done to me) LOL

That was direc ted towards ravey :)

Originally posted by LucyFan

I hate it. It has gone to good to bad to worse in a matter of six years and probably less than that. The channel has completely changed from it's original programming. The old Disney channel back then was far more better than it is now. Back then, they had everything from classic movies to great cartoons (Ducktales, Goof Troop, ect.) to series of all kinds. It was great.

Well I like the series better than the cartoons. I never really liked watching Dark Wing Duck and Duck Tales, or the classic movies.

Well I shouldn't say I never liked watching them, when I was like 7 and 8 I liked watching Dark Wing Ducks and the classic movies.

I Agree. I Loved The Disney channel when i was younger and it was alot better (Nickelodeon was too!). But it seems as if both The Disney Channel and Nickelodeon have sold out to please the 12 year olds. Dont get me wrong, I Love Boy Meets World and Smart Guy...But i think showing them once a day is fine. They should air the Sitcoms and stuff at night, and Air some of the older Classic Disney Channel stuff during the day. Man, What happened to Mickey, Donald and Goofy? :(

They died

I agree. i think disney should mix its new stuff and its old classic stuff. I mean some of the enw stuff is good-some being the key word. Others are pretty lame. I think children today need to be exposed to the old classics though so they will have appreciation for that time period.

Originally posted by Ewan's My Man
I miss Growing Pains! ahhh!! me2. I got obssesed on GP from watching it on disney. Kirk is a HOTTIE!!;) I really miss it.

I never did understand why viewers have to pay extra for the Disney channel. It should be included in the basic package>

I agree, Disney is just another big corporate machine, then I suppose it couldn't survive without the involvement of Walt Disney, his close firends anf close relatives who shared his beliefs. Now disney slaps anything on a cap, t-shirt, mug, pen, anything- sells it at a specialist Disney store for live £12, and that's just for a mug. Then they stop with all the family films, focus on money-making, and make all these kiddy films, or films featuring a different type of entertainment than it used to. What happened to films like Bedknobs and Broomsticks or Mary Poppins, they've been replaced by Lilo and Stitch. There's the odd time disney shine, such as the film Anastasia which partially educated people while entertaining.

Originally posted by Mijada
I never did understand why viewers have to pay extra for the Disney channel. It should be included in the basic package>

We used to have to pay extra but its been in the Basic Package here since about 98.

Then please, everybody, sign the petition! Join the campaign! TDC may not change tomorrow, but if nothing is done, "nothing" will ever have a "chance" of changing.
I, for one, am not going to give up. It feels just too good to be fighting for what's right

nobody ****in cares about the old shows i admit i used to be glued to the tv when disney channel came on free for like a weekend (cause my mom and dad would never pay for it) but thats the past now its all free :) they still have toon disney and wut not....and they used to have vault disney and they took it off so obviously they werent getting any ratings...theres a new generation of kids and pretty soon they will be pissed off when new shows come on instead the proud family and ****....but i dont think disney really gives a **** about ****in old heads wantin their shows back more kids watch tv then like older teens and ****....but i know for a fact that more kids like the disney channel now.... in ****in study hall i hear juniors and seniors discussin the new disney movies and shows and i watch the disney channel more than any other channel on tv.....so i think that the disney channel is fine how it is...kids from like 5 to 17 watch the disney channel get over it you old heads get with the 2000's lmao it still sports the mickey ears its all gravy

You don't care at all about morals & what is right and wrong, do you? Re-read the Disneyland scenario in my original post and actually think about it.

We get the Disney Channel here as part of the whole cable package. It's not a premium channel where I'm at but I never really watched much of it anyhow. I do understand your point. Disney as a whole has lost a lot of it's magic and I did like the nostalgic 60's films they used to play, like Mary Poppins or Bedknobs & Broomsticks but like many big companies out there nowadays, their essentially milking every franchise they can get their hands on. It's not that I'm completely against it, but I see it for what I think it is. Just look at all their upcoming 'Disneyland flicks'. Last year was the Country Bears, this year the Pirates Of The Carribean flick is being released and a movie based on The Haunted Mansion is in the works too.

But this has been an issue with Disney, ever since they created their 'non-kiddie' Miramax and Touchstone pictures so in a way, should anyone be suprised?

BTW, I just thought it was interesting today that I heard on Nickelodeon that Kelly Osbourne was going to be one of the guest hosts on Nick's Kid's Choice Awards. Now, I don't want to sound some alter-cocker here, but wouldn't some people find it a bit questionable to have a girl whose known for using the f-bomb around her parents hosting a show for kids?

Not that I'm really concerned - I don't have kids but I'm wondering how some of you might feel about this.

I miss the old Disney Channel too, especially today, when I was younger they had lots of holiday specials today I couldn't find one Easter related show. I miss the Disney Channel that I begged my dad for when I was very little. The only show I ever watch on Disney is Boy Meets World and I used to watch it when it was on ABC

Well, Miramax, Touchstone and Hollywood Pictures do not have the word "Disney" in them; that's the difference. It's not even apparent that these studios are owned by Disney; I didn't even know that Disney owned all of Miramax until a few years ago!

Disney channel is horrible now. Their programming these days are catered only to the teenyboppers out there. It's sad that this channel went so far downhill. I loved watching Growing Pains everyday. I still like BMW, but it's getting tiring. So is Smart Guy, since they only made two seasons worth of episodes. I also loved So Weird, but now it's almsot never on.

Here is a somewhat heartbreaking note that I got from a person who signed the petition:
"I know that I took some of the excellent shows for granted that were on the Disney Channel in the evenings (My Tivo would automatically record anything with Disneyland in the title). But now some short sighted execs have cut many of the true "Disney" shows. I teach 4th grade, and interestingly enough, one of my students asked one time "You mean Walt Disney was a PERSON?" Bring back the classics so that the kids will learn about Walt and his dream."

When I was younger they used to have lots of great classic cartoons. Now the only time I have ever seen any is like at 2 in the morning. The whole company is founded on Mickey Mouse and the gang, they should be seen more. I also think Walt would be horrified to learn that they are making sequels to his classic films. It's one thing to have one for Beauty and the Beast because it's a newer film. But to have a Cinderella 2 is just insane. This is alittle off topic but I went into the Disney store in the local mall and they have merchandise for Finding Nemo. IT"S NOT EVEN OUT YET:mad:! I hate when they do this and it's not only Disney. It just makes you realize just how commercialized it all is. Remember that commercial a few year ago. I think it was for Sprite. It was in a boardroom and they were all taking about the new summer blockbuster. It was Death Slugs or somthing like that. They had the toy and the fast food tie in and the music single before they even started to write the movie. Sometimes that seems like how the really movie industry really operates.

Originally posted by ur sit'N on my penny
nobody ****in cares about the old shows i admit i used to be glued to the tv when disney channel came on free for like a weekend (cause my mom and dad would never pay for it) but thats the past now its all free :) they still have toon disney and wut not....and they used to have vault disney and they took it off so obviously they werent getting any ratings...theres a new generation of kids and pretty soon they will be pissed off when new shows come on instead the proud family and ****....but i dont think disney really gives a **** about ****in old heads wantin their shows back more kids watch tv then like older teens and ****....but i know for a fact that more kids like the disney channel now.... in ****in study hall i hear juniors and seniors discussin the new disney movies and shows and i watch the disney channel more than any other channel on tv.....so i think that the disney channel is fine how it is...kids from like 5 to 17 watch the disney channel get over it you old heads get with the 2000's lmao it still sports the mickey ears its all gravy

Your posts make my head hurt.

Same here. Wait till DL gets converted into a kiddy park for a "new generation" to enjoy ... hey, the same type of thing was done with TDC

I can't stand the Disney Channel anymore. No offense to any fans, but Lizzie Maguire and That's so Raven drive me crazy. I do agree...this isn't what the Disney Channel was meant to be. The shows and movies they put on when I was little were way better imo. They should just make a whole seperate channel for shows like that...like make it disney teens or something... and keep the Disney Channel what it's supposed to be. I'm 14 myself and it still makes ME gag. Blah. lol..but anyways, I miss Growing Pains and shows like that, too!

GROWING PAINS is great, I admit that. It's a show that I grew up on, too

i remember watching under the umbrella tree, alice's adventures in wonderland, dumbo's flying circus, pooh corner, and mia the bee on disney


i miss those.

Originally posted by trekkie
It used to be programming that my parents and I could watch together when I was younger. Now the only group your channel plays to is the 12 and under crowd.
Preservethemagic


I agree i mean what really has happened to The "Disney Channel" I mean a lot of that stuff thats on the disney channel disney probaly never wanted. I mean my parents wouldn't watch it it's kinda KIDDIE . you know it's like for like kids not teenagers or adults. Walt Disney wanted it to be a family channel with movies and stuff and what is it now...?

Originally posted by AKA


Your posts make my head hurt.

I agree. Does smoking all that nutmeg--er, DOPE cause a person
to stop using punctuation marks??:rolleyes: What would one of the Seven Dwarfs (i.e. DOPEy) have to do with watching a "kiddie" channel anyway? Shouldn't she be watching the High Times Network or something??

More New Mickey Mouse Club '77. MORE LISA!!!!!!:rock: :guitar: :guitar: :rock:

Originally posted by trekkie
"It is not myself I am thinking about, but it is the affect of what might happen to whatever is left that bothers me" -- Walt Disney
The "new" Disney Channel is ignoring the very principles they were founded under and is spitting on the Disney name as a whole.
The following comment is from a once proud Disney Channel viewer who has signed the official petition. They sum up our case perfectly:
"I live in an area where the Disney Channel is a premium channel. After subscribing for nearly ten years, we unsubscribed in the fall of 1998 ... Fall [of] 1998 was when I started college, so I had grown up with the Disney Channel but had lost interest with the changing program. Without me at home, my parents nixed the channel. Through the 'old' Disney Channel, I was introduced to wonderful old movies. It was on Disney that I first saw a lot of the Disney classics as well as Hollywood classics like the musicals of Rogers and Hammerstein. It used to be programming that my parents and I could watch together when I was younger. Now the only group your channel plays to is the 12 and under crowd. Shame on you! Disney is about family and once this channel was for family, now it’s a commercial filled unwatchable channel for Disney fans. I might as well watch Nickelodeon or MTV and I don't have to pay extra."
We are not saying that they should get rid of programs such as Lizzie McGuire and Boy Meets World. Rather, mix current shows in with other daytime programming such as higher quality behind the scenes shows, Classic Hollywood (A Disney Channel series that used to show live action films from Hollywood’s Golden Age), cartoon shorts, old cartoon series from Disney Afternoon (Perhaps the channel could have its own two hour Disney Afternoon show with rotating cartoons each day; like Pepper Ann, Ducktales, Talespin, and Doug one day; Tarzan, Recess, Goof Troop and Darkwing Duck another; and so on), and vintage episodes of Walt Disney’s television shows. Bring back the yearly Animation Festival, Disneyland/Walt Disney World history shows and opening day programs on each parks birthday. It’s not too much to ask for. The station would not only re-gain its legacy and original reputation, but it would undoubtedly receive a broader and more diversified audience.
Hey ... Why not just turn Disneyland into a giant playground with shops? There's an idea. After all, it would be cheaper to operate and future generations will know it only it as a giant kiddy area. Not the family entertainment giant it once was.
Just like the Disney Channel.
If certain areas in this company ignore their principles, they stop the Disney name from flourishing. Not just as a company. But also as a man. A pioneer. Walt Disney, to be precise. Whose philosophy in the Disney Company was always to entice people to visit all of their masterpieces by providing nothing but "High quality family entertainment." The company he built currently preaches about family, yet at the same time ignores the very aspects and principles of family entertainment upon which they were built.
When the Disney Channel began to ignore these ideals, they helped to stop the Disney name from flourishing. Not just as a company. And Flourishing into what it was destined to be.
But also as a man. And What he was always meant to be.
Please sign the petition, get company mailing addresses and join the campaign at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/
preservethemagic
If anything, transform ABC Family into Walt Disney Family and put old Disney programming there. What is the harm of mixing in classic Disney films and TV shows for current and future generations to enjoy? After all, "this" is where Disney came from; "this" is where Disney was more of a magical legacy than a generic brand name, such as Nickelodeon or MTV.
I remember watching Bonanza on the Hallmark Channel one night, and I got kind of teary eyed during the commercial breaks when they showed previews of what westerns, classic Disney films and original all-American movies were coming up. I remember thinking to myself "This is how the Disney Channel used to be; these are the values upon which they were built." The only difference is that Disney included cartoons and other children's programming during weekday mornings and afternoons.
But the Hallmark Channel is what the Disney Channel once was; and what the Disney Channel was always meant to be.
And It’s sad.
Please sign this petition and join the campaign:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/
preservethemagic

I couldn't have said it better myself!
I miss all those old classics like Pollyanna!

Sign the petition and join the campaign, y'all :)

I don't know what it was about Walt Disney, but I always felt I could relate to the man, eventhough he died 24 years before I was born.

Originally posted by Titania
i remember watching under the umbrella tree, alice's adventures in wonderland, dumbo's flying circus, pooh corner, and mia the bee on disney


i miss those.


YES! I watched all those too except Mia the bee I don't remember that one, I used to watch The Wuzzles on there when I was very little

I was watching a special about Disneyworld the other day and I remember how they said people, especially in the Disney department, were upset when the likes of George Lucas was taken on to have rides like Indiana Jones, Star Tours and the quickly-defunct 3D movie attraction, Captain EO.

People were asking what direction Disney was going in back then and it looks like it happens again and again. Is it getting worse or better or just not getting any better or not getting any worse?

Pardon me for just this one post. Imo, Disney is getting ****ed over. Idk, it's just it seems Disney is running out of ideas. Why are they making sequels to movies that just shouldn't have sequels? They just aren't thinking hard enough. I know everybody has brain farts every now and then, but if you keep thinking, an idea has to pop into your brain. Now it seems like they are straining to get an idea and the idea usually involves a sequel to a movie.

Okay, done with my little Disney rant. Um, I have to admit that I don't regularly watch TDC. I used to when I was a little kid. They used to show the Baby Sitters Club show on there quite a number of years ago. I was totally in love with the BSC books, so I liked the show. I occasionally pass by TDC now and all I'm seeing is Lizzie, Raven, Smart Guy, BMW, and Sister, Sister.

Maybe instead of using all the people to think up some crappy sequel, maybe they need to start thinking about their future. They are screwing it up and if they don't stop and look, it's gonna fail completely. Stop thinking about the cash for a second and think of some good ideas. jmo

Originally posted by Camillian


Walt Disney wanted it to be a family channel with movies and stuff and what is it now...?

Um, Walt had nothing to do with the channel; he died seventeen years before its debut, and about seven or eight years before cable TV was a reality.

Originally posted by Jenny
Pardon me for just this one post. Imo, Disney is getting ****ed over. Idk, it's just it seems Disney is running out of ideas. Why are they making sequels to movies that just shouldn't have sequels? They just aren't thinking hard enough. I know everybody has brain farts every now and then, but if you keep thinking, an idea has to pop into your brain. Now it seems like they are straining to get an idea and the idea usually involves a sequel to a movie.

Okay, done with my little Disney rant. Um, I have to admit that I don't regularly watch TDC. I used to when I was a little kid. They used to show the Baby Sitters Club show on there quite a number of years ago. I was totally in love with the BSC books, so I liked the show. I occasionally pass by TDC now and all I'm seeing is Lizzie, Raven, Smart Guy, BMW, and Sister, Sister.

Maybe instead of using all the people to think up some crappy sequel, maybe they need to start thinking about their future. They are screwing it up and if they don't stop and look, it's gonna fail completely. Stop thinking about the cash for a second and think of some good ideas. jmo
While I certainly don't disagree with you here, I don't think it's just Disney that has this problem. Look at how many sequels, remakes and/or "re-imagined" movies there are coming out. As one who is also up on news regarding video games, I can tell you that the same goes for that industry as well... remakes and sequels.

This is a problem that the entertainment community as a whole seems to be having. It's been one sequel after another re-make after another sequel with the occasional spark of originality popping in once in awhile. I just don't think Disney is the sole culprit, although they certainly don't help the situation. They'll only find that they're eventually going to be shooting themselves in the foot in the end. Instead of releasing a new movie every few months, they need to take their time and anaylze their quality assurance.

Don't think it can hurt them. For those of you in the gaming community, read the recent news about Capcom and their big loss.

BTW, what is too with Disney involving themselves so heavily now in Japanese animation? Could the anime fans have been right along? Could Disney be giving in finally?

Originally posted by *A TV People*
I can't stand the Disney Channel anymore. No offense to any fans, but Lizzie Maguire and That's so Raven drive me crazy. I do agree...this isn't what the Disney Channel was meant to be. The shows and movies they put on when I was little were way better imo. They should just make a whole seperate channel for shows like that...like make it disney teens or something... and keep the Disney Channel what it's supposed to be. I'm 14 myself and it still makes ME gag. Blah. lol..but anyways, I miss Growing Pains and shows like that, too!

I want them to make Vault Disney into a channel! All old Disney classics all the time! I will pay for a channel like that!

Okay YES I'm a MAJOR Disney fan I admit that (not so much the network but the theme parks and well THE MOUSE) but in my opinion Micheal Eisener ruined the disney name and what makes me even MORE MAD is the fact that (and I cant remember where I read this I believe it was in one of the MANY Walt Disney biographies I have read) I had read somewhere that after Walt died the company was SUPPOSED to be given to his brother Roy (WHO by the way is STILL ALIVE or atleast he was WHEN Disney was given to Micheal) but because Roy was an outcast and no one really liked him they hired an OUTSIDER (Micheal Eisener) to take his place BIG MISTAKE in MY EYES i'm sure Roy would have done better with it then good old Mikey:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Jenny
Pardon me for just this one post. Imo, Disney is getting ****ed over. Idk, it's just it seems Disney is running out of ideas. Why are they making sequels to movies that just shouldn't have sequels? They just aren't thinking hard enough. I know everybody has brain farts every now and then, but if you keep thinking, an idea has to pop into your brain. Now it seems like they are straining to get an idea and the idea usually involves a sequel to a movie.

Okay, done with my little Disney rant. Um, I have to admit that I don't regularly watch TDC. I used to when I was a little kid. They used to show the Baby Sitters Club show on there quite a number of years ago. I was totally in love with the BSC books, so I liked the show. I occasionally pass by TDC now and all I'm seeing is Lizzie, Raven, Smart Guy, BMW, and Sister, Sister.

Maybe instead of using all the people to think up some crappy sequel, maybe they need to start thinking about their future. They are screwing it up and if they don't stop and look, it's gonna fail completely. Stop thinking about the cash for a second and think of some good ideas. jmo

In my opinion That's So Raven was a good idea...

DISNEY HAS TO GROW WITH IT'S AUDIENCE IF YA'LL CHECK RATINGS IT IS MORE KIDS/TEENS WHO WATCH DISNEY NOT ADULTS SO FOR THEM TO MAKE IT A FAMILY CHANNEL WOULD BE A WASTE THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH WHAT'S ON DISNEY NOW NOTHING WILL EVER STAY THE SAME YOU PEOPLE NEED TO STOP LIVING IN THE 5O's THROUGH THE 90's THAT **** IS ACIENT HISTORY ENJOY WHAT'S ON NOW AND STOP COMPLAINING THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO AND IF THAT'S WHAT'S KEEPING THEIR RATINGS UP THEN MORE POWER TO THEM I LOVE THE DISNEY CHANNEL AND ALOT OF MATTER OF FACT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LIKE DISNEY CHANNEL SO GET OVER IT!!:mad: :rolleyes: :mad:

Originally posted by smoothe
DISNEY HAS TO GROW WITH IT'S AUDIENCE IF YA'LL CHECK RATINGS IT IS MORE KIDS/TEENS WHO WATCH DISNEY NOT ADULTS SO FOR THEM TO MAKE IT A FAMILY CHANNEL WOULD BE A WASTE THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH WHAT'S ON DISNEY NOW NOTHING WILL EVER STAY THE SAME YOU PEOPLE NEED TO STOP LIVING IN THE 5O's THROUGH THE 90's THAT **** IS ACIENT HISTORY ENJOY WHAT'S ON NOW AND STOP COMPLAINING THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO AND IF THAT'S WHAT'S KEEPING THEIR RATINGS UP THEN MORE POWER TO THEM I LOVE THE DISNEY CHANNEL AND ALOT OF MATTER OF FACT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LIKE DISNEY CHANNEL SO GET OVER IT!!:mad: :rolleyes: :mad:

PMS?

Originally posted by Original Prankster


PMS?
MAN GET THE ****!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :rolleyes: :mad: :wave:

Must be, since some people have a poor grasp on punctuation marks...

I think Chris meant the other PMS.

Originally posted by BJL
I think Chris meant the other PMS.

BTW, Perturbed Mommy Syndrome IS the other PMS!!!;) :lol:

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


BTW, Perturbed Mommy Syndrome IS the other PMS!!!;) :lol:

Perturbed Mommy Syndrome is the same thing as Pre Menstrual Syndrome?

Yes, it was my nice little euphemism!!!;) :p :lol: :happyface

I learned something new today!:lol:

Originally posted by AnahiemPMWitch
Okay YES I'm a MAJOR Disney fan I admit that (not so much the network but the theme parks and well THE MOUSE) but in my opinion Micheal Eisener ruined the disney name and what makes me even MORE MAD is the fact that (and I cant remember where I read this I believe it was in one of the MANY Walt Disney biographies I have read) I had read somewhere that after Walt died the company was SUPPOSED to be given to his brother Roy (WHO by the way is STILL ALIVE or atleast he was WHEN Disney was given to Micheal) but because Roy was an outcast and no one really liked him they hired an OUTSIDER (Micheal Eisener) to take his place BIG MISTAKE in MY EYES i'm sure Roy would have done better with it then good old Mikey:rolleyes:
My only question to this is why Roy Disney was an outcast and why did nobody like him? If that's the case, would he really have been much of an ideal choice himself? Was he a business man in any sense. What could he have done better than Eisner? Not that I'm knocking ol'e Roy, because you might be right but I'm just wondering.

Originally posted by smoothe

MAN GET THE ****!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :rolleyes: :mad: :wave:

:lol: Keep it coming. You're pathetic.

Originally posted by Fran Fan

My only question to this is why Roy Disney was an outcast and why did nobody like him? If that's the case, would he really have been much of an ideal choice himself? Was he a business man in any sense. What could he have done better than Eisner? Not that I'm knocking ol'e Roy, because you might be right but I'm just wondering. You Know I'm not really sure about all I know is what I said in the previous post from what I'd read You may be right though I mean maybe thats why they hired Micheal in the first place because they knew Roy couldnt handle it? Who knows :lol: I dont work for the company (AS MUCH AS I'D LOVE TO hehehee) so I couldnt really tell ya

I know that in the '70's (Or early '80's; one of those), Roy quit because he was fed up with the way the company was headed. He eventually did return, only to eventually get fed up with Eisner! But, fortunately for us, he didn't quit.

And Roy Disney is a good businessman; I have no doubt that if he were given the chance, Disney could run the Disney company (How wierd does that sound?)

Has the thought that you guys are too old for The Disney Channel ever crossed your minds?

Kid/teen geared networks always change, and grow to keep up with the current trends. That's why most 20-30 year olds no longer like MTV, and thats why teenagers no longer watch Disney and Nick often.

That's the same reason why classic TV channels such as TV Land, and Nick @ Nite change their line-ups once in a while. They want to attract viewers that once grew up with these shows. That's why N@N is starting to air shows like, "Charles In Charge," "Full House," and "Fresh Prince."

But TDC was once geared towards the FAMILY; they were built upon the principles of FAMILY; they are no longer about FAMILY

Read this "entire" post, y'all:

"It is not myself I am thinking about, but it is the affect of what might happen to whatever is left that bothers me" -- Walt Disney
The "new" Disney Channel is ignoring the very principles they were founded under and is spitting on the Disney name as a whole.
The following comment is from a once proud Disney Channel viewer who has signed the official petition. They sum up our case perfectly:
"I live in an area where the Disney Channel is a premium channel. After subscribing for nearly ten years, we un-subscribed in the fall of 1998 ... Fall [of] 1998 was when I started college, so I had grown up with the Disney Channel but had lost interest with the changing program. Without me at home, my parents nixed the channel. Through the 'old' Disney Channel, I was introduced to wonderful old movies. It was on Disney that I first saw a lot of the Disney classics as well as Hollywood classics like the musicals of Rogers and Hammerstein. It used to be programming that my parents and I could watch together when I was younger. Now the only group your channel plays to is the 12 and under crowd. Shame on you! Disney is about family and once this channel was for family, now it's a commercial filled un-watchable channel for Disney fans. I might as well watch Nickelodeon or MTV and I don't have to pay extra."
We are not saying that they should get rid of programs such as Lizzie McGuire and Boy Meets World. Rather, mix current shows in with other daytime programming such as higher quality behind the scenes shows, Classic Hollywood (A Disney Channel series that used to show live action films from Hollywood's Golden Age), cartoon shorts, old cartoon series from Disney Afternoon (Perhaps the channel could have its own two hour Disney Afternoon show with rotating cartoons each day; like Pepper Ann, Ducktales, Talespin, and Doug one day; Tarzan, Recess, Goof Troop and Darkwing Duck another; and so on), and vintage episodes of Walt Disney's television shows. Bring back the yearly Animation Festival, Disneyland/Walt Disney World history shows and opening day programs on each parks birthday. It's not too much to ask for. The station would not only re-gain its legacy and original reputation, but it would undoubtedly receive a broader and more diversified audience.
Hey; Why not just turn Disneyland into a giant playground with shops? There's an idea. After all, it would be cheaper to operate and future generations will know it only it as a giant kiddy area. Not the family entertainment giant it once was.
Just like the Disney Channel.
If certain areas in this company ignore their principles, they stop the Disney name from flourishing. Not just as a company. But also as a man. A pioneer. Walt Disney, to be precise. Whose philosophy in the Disney Company was always to entice people to visit all of their masterpieces by providing nothing but "High quality family entertainment." The company he built currently preaches about family, yet at the same time ignores the very aspects and principles of family entertainment upon which they were built.
When the Disney Channel began to ignore these ideals, they helped to stop the Disney name from flourishing. Not just as a company. And Flourishing into what it was destined to be.
But also as a man. And What he was always meant to be.
If anything, transform ABC Family or Toon Disney into Walt Disney Family or Disney Channel Family; and put old Disney programming there. What is the harm of mixing in classic Disney films and TV shows for current and future generations to enjoy? After all, "this" is where Disney came from; "this" is where Disney was more of a magical legacy than a generic brand name, such as Nickelodeon or MTV.
I remember watching Bonanza on the Hallmark Channel one night, and I got kind of teary eyed during the commercial breaks when they showed previews of what westerns, Disney classics and original all-American movies were coming up. I remember thinking to myself "This is how the Disney Channel used to be; these are the values upon which it was built." The only difference is that Disney included cartoons and other children's programming during weekday mornings and afternoons.
But the Hallmark Channel is what the Disney Channel once was; and what the Disney Channel was always meant to be.
And It's sad. It's insulting and demeaning to not only Walt, but also his friends, family and everyone else whose un-dying love and dedication helped him achieve his lifelong dreams.
Back in the good days of the channel (1980's-early 90's), the station was widely flourishing; maybe not as much as today with the 16 and under crowd, but it was doing just fine. It would have been fine if they added a few more kiddy shows to make the channel more popular with the young crowd, but instead they converted the entire daytime lineup to a preteens dreamland. At least the Disney Channel had Vault Disney; that us until last year, when it was totally done away with. Why wouldn't today's generation like Old Yeller, Davy Crockett or Heidi? This is where Disney came from; films like these are true family classics; and they deserve to be showcased on the Disney Channel! I grew up during the 1980's, and I loved programs like Old Yeller, Heidi, Rodger's and Hammerstein's Cinderella, Pollyanna, Davy Crockett, the Parent Trap, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Swiss Family Robinson, the Shaggy Dog, the Apple Dumpling Gang, Mary Poppins, classic Disney animated films, etc when I first saw them in the 1980's. I even know for a fact that many, many people under the age of 16 love the older stuff and behind-the-scenes television specials!
You want to know why Disney stock has been a joke since 1995 and Eisner became CEO? They are alienating many of the most loyal Disney fans!
The real Disney philosophy of high quality FAMILY entertainment wasn't rocket science. Taking that away is morally wrong.
Not to mention the fact that Eisner is too clueless to realize he's losing tons of money -- from us loyal Disney fans --because of it. And Instead of trying to fix it, he continues to alienate -- not to mention saturate with cheap "tween-oriented" stuff -- the Disney brand.
Anybody can gaurantee that the Disney Channel won't completely get rid of its current programming; ten years from now, a new generation of twelve year olds will probably be squealing over old Lizzie McGuire and Kim Possible re-runs. We can't change that. But ... what we are fighting for is classic movies and television shows thrown into the mix. No, old DISNEYLAND and WONDERFUL WORLD OF COLOR episodes with ZORRO & DAVY CROCKETT might not score as high in the ratings as LIZZIE MCGUIRE, but it will score high with thousands of fans around the nation who no longer watch the Disney Channel because it's no longer family entertainment. Balancing ratings with the kiddy and family-oriented programming makes more sense anyway. I'm not just speaking of principle (Although that is important); I'm also speaking of reputation. Many people today still see Disney as a company that has alienated them to no end; frankly, I do as well. If the channel were to retain some of its ideals and principles -- more importantly, some of Walt Disney's ideals and principles -- it would increase customer satisfaction. People in areas where the Disney Channel is a pay channel will suddenly start purchasing it, and Disneyland could even plan special events around the station, such as an animation celebration in Fantasyland co-insiding withe the animation festival on the Disney Channel, or one week where Zorro and Davy Crockett roam around in Frontierland, taking photos outside of Rancho Del Zeco and the Golden Horseshoe.
So many possibilities to make the entire family happy; and just as Walt would have wanted it, too.
Here is a somewhat heartbreaking note that I got from a person who signed the petition:
"I know that I took some of the excellent shows for granted that were on the Disney Channel in the evenings (My Tivo would automatically record anything with Disneyland in the title). But now some short sighted execs have cut many of the true "Disney" shows. I teach 4th grade, and interestingly enough, one of my students asked one time "You mean Walt Disney was a PERSON?" Bring back the classics so that the kids will learn about Walt and his dream."

Originally posted by trekkie
"It is not myself I am thinking about, but it is the affect of what might happen to whatever is left that bothers me" -- Walt Disney
If certain areas in this company ignore their principles, they stop the Disney name from flourishing. Not just as a company. But also as a man. A pioneer. Walt Disney, to be precise. Whose philosophy in the Disney Company was always to entice people to visit all of their masterpieces by providing nothing but "High quality family entertainment." The company he built currently preaches about family, yet at the same time ignores the very aspects and principles of family entertainment upon which they were built.
When the Disney Channel began to ignore these ideals, they helped to stop the Disney name from flourishing. Not just as a company. And Flourishing into what it was destined to be.
But also as a man. And What he was always meant to be.
If anything, transform ABC Family into Walt Disney Family and put old Disney programming there. What is the harm of mixing in classic Disney films and TV shows for current and future generations to enjoy? After all, "this" is where Disney came from; "this" is where Disney was more of a magical legacy than a generic brand name, such as Nickelodeon or MTV.


Thank you for this post. I totally agree with all of this. Walt Disney did his movies for the enjoyment of kids first, and the money second. Today, under the leadership of Michael Eisner, the Disney company is one big COMPANY. In fact, Michael Eisner is so money-hungry, that even the satirical show "Family Guy" satirized him.

Notice this:
I am sure everyone has noticed all of the unecessary made-for-video sequels made in the Disney Animation Department (a lower budget department) of classic films that many have grown up with for decades. Now, some of these made-for-video sequels to classic Disney films have been released in theaters, I believe to "make them look respectable enough for the people to go and see". Of course many people see the "quality" through marketing campaigns and TV spots and see the cheap quality.

Walt Disney, the man would not make an unecessary sequel to one of his animated classics. Now we have seen sequels to Aladdin, Lady and the Tramp, Cinderella, The Jungle Book, 101 Dalmatians, Peter Pan, and more. In terms of sequels, Fantasia 2000 was definately worth it and went through a cycle in IMAX and regular movie theaters before it hit VHS and DVD.

Have you also noticed the corny made-for-TV/Cable/Satellite movies that has come out of there? On Sunday, there will be some movie about a girl at the Plaza Hotel in New York. To me, I thought "Oh crap, they are re-creating Home Alone 2 (and they did make a Home Alone 4 by the way for Disney TV) with a girl instead of Macaulay Culkin as well as shoving Julie Andrews (whom I loved in Mary Poppins) in it to attract viewers.

Roy E. Disney (Walt's real-life nephew) is a mere Vice President and the only known survivor connected to the Walt Disney bloodline. You would think that he would carry on the tradition that his Uncle brought to the world through his talent, but no.

Money is the key issue here. Michael Eisner is so money hungry that he is the man who asked Bill Clinton to start a talk show.

I have changed the goal of this campaign, to get a VAULT DISNEY or DISNEY FAMILY CHANNEL on television.

Please, I urge every one of you to sign the petition.

We "can" get the Disney magic and guiding principles back on television!

Originally posted by LucyFan

I hate it. It has gone to good to bad to worse in a matter of six years and probably less than that. The channel has completely changed from it's original programming. The old Disney channel back then was far more better than it is now. Back then, they had everything from classic movies to great cartoons (Ducktales, Goof Troop, ect.) to series of all kinds. It was great.

I actually like the Disney Channel better now than in the past. When they had the Mickey Mouse club and all those other shows on it I didn't care much for the channel. I think it's alot better now than it used to be. Yes there are things they can add to honor the Disney history and traditions.

For me Disney is a basic cable channel. It used to be premium until January of this year.

Originally posted by Topanga

For me Disney is a basic cable channel. It used to be premium until January of this year.

Disney has been on my basic cable line-up since around 97/98.

I didn't have the Disney Channel when it showed the good stuff. Figures. I do sort of like it now...I watch certain episodes of BMW and Smart Guy. But they have way overdone it with the 5 million episodes of Sister Sister and their ******** movies.