ive heard stories about ppl getting kicked outta school and the mall and stuff cuz they wear shirts that say things like "give peace a chance." thats dumb it aint illegal to not want a war or nuttin.

well i think the war had to take place, we have to blow OSAMA and SADDAM off the face of the earth....or this will go on and on and on forever..

I hope you've only been "hearing" these things. I hardly tink they're true, but you never know how people can be nowadays. Besides, kicking someone out of somewhere for just a t-shirt is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
I hope you've only been "hearing" these things. I hardly tink they're true, but you never know how people can be nowadays. Besides, kicking someone out of somewhere for just a t-shirt is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
there was an article about it in a magazine

Yea it is true, I think it happened in a mall cuz my dad was watching the Oreilly factor and they were talking about this guy getting in trouble for wearing and and how silly that is....

yes its true. i know some people that have been thrown out of malls and banks for wearing shirts with peace slogons or having backpacks with patches with peace slogans on them.

If that's the case than it's getting ridiculous out here............

I say let the people wear what they want except if it's pornographic!

Now if you go to a fancy restaurant or a wedding than you shouldn't wear the shirt, :lol:

That's sad, in context.

Is this not America?!? Whatever happened to the following of the first ammendment in the constitution... the thing that is supposed to be ruling this country!!! It's in the constitution that we have the freedom of speech! What happened to America...? *shakes head* Sad... very sad.

Originally posted by Rockapella722
That's sad, in context.

Is this not America?!? Whatever happened to the following of the first ammendment in the constitution... the thing that is supposed to be ruling this country!!! It's in the constitution that we have the freedom of speech! What happened to America...? *shakes head* Sad... very sad. Nothing to do w/it but I like the poem in your sig.....

well, i'm personally pro-war. but it's crazy that they get in trouble for that

Originally posted by JoJoJoJoJoJoJoJoJo
well, i'm personally pro-war. but it's crazy that they get in trouble for that
Ditto. Just because I support the war doesnt mean Im not for peace either. Thats so friggan stupid. Its almost as bad as American Fries.:rolleyes:

Once again people aren't hearing the whole story. The man and his grown son were asked to change out of peace t-shirts they had made right there in the mall. They refused, and security ushered them out. The mall owners put this policy in place because just the day before, there were a whole group of anti-war protesters with the same kind of t-shirts in the mall, chanting and disrupting business, and they didn't want that happening again.
Just as people have a right to protest for peace in the right venue, people have a right to go to the mall with their kids and shop in peace, without being confronted by hourds of yelling demonstrators. And the mall owners decided it was in their best interests, in the interests of the shops in the mall, and in the interests of their customers to enact this all encompassing policy of not allowing certain kinds of messages on t-shirts in the mall, kind of like not allowing gang colors in schools. Things that could cause an uproar and disrupt the "peace" for their shoppers.
And I think they are right!

Originally posted by Sterling Holobyte
Once again people aren't hearing the whole story. The man and his grown son were asked to change out of peace t-shirts they had made right there in the mall. They refused, and security ushered them out. The mall owners put this policy in place because just the day before, there were a whole group of anti-war protesters with the same kind of t-shirts in the mall, chanting and disrupting business, and they didn't want that happening again.

Just because some protestors act rude and loud, it doesn't mean all protestors act that way. I think it's okay to wear a peace t-shirt or peace headband or any article promoting peace. Pro-war people are taking it way too seriously.

http://www.msnbc.com/local/WNYT/M276307.asp

Originally posted by Jem

Just because some protestors act rude and loud, it doesn't mean all protestors act that way.
I never said that they do! I merely said that the protestors in this instance were rude and loud, and that the mall owners decided to err on the side of caution.

Originally posted by Jem

Pro-war people are taking it way too seriously.
Well, after protestors have defecated in the streets, caused people to be late for their jobs and prevented them from going about their daily business by crowding the streets and stopping traffic, to say nothing about causing(or trying to cause) near-riot conditions by fighting with police and other citizens who don't hold the same views, I'd say a little caution is warranted.

By the way, I don't think anyone is really "Pro-war", they're just anti-do-nothing. (Sorry for the double negative!)

Once again, people are going against others for following the First Amendment - freedom of speech. Those people have a right to say what they want and not support a war.

This makes me sick - people getting thrown out of a public place where they have every right to be just cos of the slogan on their t-shirt! What the hell happened to "freedom of speech"? I though Americans were all for that??
This would never happen in Britain!! Even though our ignorant, stupid Prime Minister was all for this war, any member of the British public can - and pretty much all of us do - speak out about how much we are opposed to the war and none of us get kicked out of malls or arrested for it!

I thought that Americans had the right to their own opinion? Don't we?

I heard a piece on the news about some Iraqi soldiers going to be tried for war crimes after being captured. America and Britain cam einto thier country, they have to defend themselves. So far, every event in the war has been caused by US OR UK, not Iraqi army movement. The US soldiers are raiding and trashing civilians houses- this is a real messed up war- I'm beginning to think they trash places etc cos they can justify it- I hope this war is declared illegal by the UN, and Bush meeting the fate of Milosevich. Everything done in connection with war now is unjustified, I'll almost be driven to help end this war, and help the people, if mindless violence and discrimination continues.

Originally posted by webuster
So far, every event in the war has been caused by US OR UK, not Iraqi army movement. The US soldiers are raiding and trashing civilians houses- this is a real messed up war- I'm beginning to think they trash places etc cos they can justify it- I hope this war is declared illegal by the UN, and Bush meeting the fate of Milosevich. Everything done in connection with war now is unjustified, I'll almost be driven to help end this war, and help the people, if mindless violence and discrimination continues.

That does sound messed up. Trashing civilian's houses? I thought they weren't going to do anything to the civilians! This war really sounds unjustified. I might feel driven to help end the war, too. Someday if I ever go to Washington, DC, I'll tell George Bush how unjustified this war is.

Yeh- on the news it shows you soldiers running into innocent peoples housing, the soldiers claim they're suspecting weapons are stored, but the next minute, some Irqi soldiers bomb the house, and more innocent civilians ar eleft homeless. The american soldiers are taking weapons from people suspected of being Iraqi army members, then may be trying them for war crimes, how about we go into every american soldiers house, trash it find weapons and arrest him. America is as bad, if not worse than Iraq.

Originally posted by webuster
Yeh- on the news it shows you soldiers running into innocent peoples housing, the soldiers claim they're suspecting weapons are stored, but the next minute, some Irqi soldiers bomb the house, and more innocent civilians ar eleft homeless. The american soldiers are taking weapons from people suspected of being Iraqi army members, then may be trying them for war crimes, how about we go into every american soldiers house, trash it find weapons and arrest him. America is as bad, if not worse than Iraq.
Hey Saddam! I know that's you! I'm surprised you can still get on the internet over there.:happyface

I went to church this morning and I was disgusted at what I saw
on the window of the Valley Christian School there: a "Support Our Troops--KVI 570 Radio" in the window. Now I don't mind the
"Support Our Troops" message, but does a deliberately political conservative radio logo really need to be shown in front of the whole church? I thought it would be very polarizing and divisive.

That's disgusting all right Captain. I would bet that the radio station is affiliated with the megalopolis radio station conglomerate who organized those stupid 'bash the Dixie Chicks' rallies.

Originally posted by Kitt
That's disgusting all right Captain. I would bet that the radio station is affiliated with the megalopolis radio station conglomerate who organized those stupid 'bash the Dixie Chicks' rallies.

I'd like to find out who owns KVI. They have conservative types on there, including :barf: RUSH LIMBAUGH:barf: and now they even changed their call letters to KTTH, as in "K-TRUTH".:rolleyes:
"Where you get the truth, as opposed to any other station..."
I don't know how something is the truth just because some station says it is, I mean, like, don't they realize they have an agenda like the commie pinko LIBBBERRALLLS????:rolleyes:

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
kicking someone out of somewhere for just a t-shirt is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Actually it's not true. Malls are private property, because they are owned by a specific party so they can kick you out. Public places like parks, Post Offices, and schools are runned by the Government, making them "public" places.

Even in schools, I an understand where they are coming from to a point. Although even the Anti-War protestors have a right to voice their opinion, I can see people escorting them to the door.

It is controversial and it will make people feel uneasy. When going to the mall, or somewhere else, you want to kind of get your mind off of things, making an escape from the "turmoil of today."

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
I went to church this morning and I was disgusted at what I saw
on the window of the Valley Christian School there: a "Support Our Troops--KVI 570 Radio" in the window. Now I don't mind the
"Support Our Troops" message, but does a deliberately political conservative radio logo really need to be shown in front of the whole church? I thought it would be very polarizing and divisive.

Actually, the church does have the right to do it. I think they are supporting a Conservative radio station because they report what the Liberal ones do not. Some of the Liberal ones do not advertise "Support Our Troops", and the Conservative one does.

For example, In Chicago, WLS is the king of talk radio.
The ABC radio station is making millions by having numerous Conservative radio hosts including African American conservatives. They also have Liberal radio hosts, but they schedule solely on the ratings system.

Now WBBM, CBS is not the best in the ratings in Chicago. They do not advertise uplifting morale for our troops, and their signal is not half as strong as WLS as well. The thing I like best about WBBM in Chicago, is their airing Old Time radio programs that I find refreshing and entertaining.

The point I'm trying to make is that the reason the church has it advertised is because they want to honor the troops. Also, the poster could have been made by the radio station and the church just wanted a poster that had "Support our troops" written on it, and just happened to have the name of the radio station on it as well.

Let me simplify this one for you RW. The radio station and who ever posted the radio station's add connected to troop support are being self-serving jerks. A pair of scissors would have worked just fine for cutting off the radio station call letters, and then the sign would have just said, "Support our troops". Is it really necessary to interject rightwing affiliates into every aspect of the American landscape at every opportunity? Do you never tire of defending obnoxious Blutos?

Originally posted by RWCTV


Actually it's not true. Malls are private property, because they are owned by a specific party so they can kick you out. Public places like parks, Post Offices, and schools are runned by the Government, making them "public" places.

Even in schools, I an understand where they are coming from to a point. Although even the Anti-War protestors have a right to voice their opinion, I can see people escorting them to the door.

It is controversial and it will make people feel uneasy. When going to the mall, or somewhere else, you want to kind of get your mind off of things, making an escape from the "turmoil of today." Aside from all of that silliness you just posted, the mall managers made fools of themselves. They scape-goated and then fired one of their emplyees for doing what they told him to do. And then they quickly dropped their case after they caught hell from every direction. Who cares if what they did wasn't illegal? What they did was stupid!

Originally posted by RWCTV


Actually, the church does have the right to do it. I think they are supporting a Conservative radio station because they report what the Liberal ones do not. Some of the Liberal ones do not advertise "Support Our Troops", and the Conservative one does.

For example, In Chicago, WLS is the king of talk radio.
The ABC radio station is making millions by having numerous Conservative radio hosts including African American conservatives. They also have Liberal radio hosts, but they schedule solely on the ratings system.

Now WBBM, CBS is not the best in the ratings in Chicago. They do not advertise uplifting morale for our troops, and their signal is not half as strong as WLS as well. The thing I like best about WBBM in Chicago, is their airing Old Time radio programs that I find refreshing and entertaining.

The point I'm trying to make is that the reason the church has it advertised is because they want to honor the troops. Also, the poster could have been made by the radio station and the church just wanted a poster that had "Support our troops" written on it, and just happened to have the name of the radio station on it as well.

My pastor said that he would not politicize things from the pulpit some years ago. But since 99.9% of the church is so ultra-conservative, that message has fallen on deaf ears. Doesn't putting out a blatantly political message make it rather divisive and polarizing, when the church's basic message should be about bringing people to Christ and finding inspiration and encouragement? People these days are most likely burned out on politics and war and are afraid. They want to get away from that and rise above it. My church has acted very inappropriately in advertising a message like this, and people know it. I've heard about people leaving the church en masse when bombarded with
blatant political messages, pro or con. The church is also a Christian school for the remainder of the week, so I'm wondering
how it's gonna look to others thinking of bringing their children there and having a political message shoved down their throats from a seemingly benign "Support Our Troops" sign. It's not that we can't talk about politics at church, but how we present people in order to attract them to Christ's message.

Originally posted by Kitt
Let me simplify this one for you RW. The radio station and who ever posted the radio station's add connected to troop support are being self-serving jerks. A pair of scissors would have worked just fine for cutting off the radio station call letters, and then the sign would have just said, "Support our troops". Is it really necessary to interject rightwing affiliates into every aspect of the American landscape at every opportunity?

I don't see how they're being self serving, but I do agree that a pair of scissors would be appropriate in cutting out the name of the radio station, and I will explain why in a second.

WLS in Chicago aired advertisements advertising studies in Witchcraft and Paganism. It was something I was shocked at. Some of these things, my sister was dabbling in, so I know what is involved. One of the things was Wicca, and my sister was dabbling in that for a while.

The point I'm saying is that if something like that was airing on that radio station Captainablairica was talking about, then the church would take some heat because they supported a station that was advertising paganism for money. I can see that happening.

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


My pastor said that he would not politicize things from the pulpit some years ago. But since 99.9% of the church is so ultra-conservative, that message has fallen on deaf ears. Doesn't putting out a blatantly political message make it rather divisive and polarizing, when the church's basic message should be about bringing people to Christ and finding inspiration and encouragement? People these days are most likely burned out on politics and war and are afraid. They want to get away from that and rise above it. My church has acted very inappropriately in advertising a message like this, and people know it. I've heard about people leaving the church en masse when bombarded with
blatant political messages, pro or con. The church is also a Christian school for the remainder of the week, so I'm wondering
how it's gonna look to others thinking of bringing their children there and having a political message shoved down their throats from a seemingly benign "Support Our Troops" sign. It's not that we can't talk about politics at church, but how we present people in order to attract them to Christ's message.

You pose an outstandingly great argument, and I want to thank you for doing so.

First off, if the church is enforcing Conservatism on purpose, then they might be doing so because a large amount of Conservatives base their decisions on biblical principles more than most Democrats. There are some Democrats, like Governor Casey of Pennsylvania, whom Christians supported wholeheartedly.

And this is going to shock you....
PAT ROBERTSON USED TO BE A DEMOCRAT AS HIS FATHER, WHO WAS A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR.

ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A DEMOCRAT UNTIL SLAVERY BECAME AN ISSUE.

RONALD REAGAN USED TO BE A DEMOCRAT.

MY GRANDMA, LUCILLE BRUNKE DIED A DEMOCRAT. SHE WAS A CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRAT, AND HER AND I SHARED A SPECIAL BOND BEYOND POLITICS. I LOVED HER SO MUCH TO NOT EVEN MAKE POLITICS GET IN THE WAY OF MY LOVE TOWARD HER.

Now Democrats have gone a long way since Lincoln and even Reagan. Some are Communist Liberals, and some are not. Some Republicans are rich and snotty, and some are not.

Now, I agree with you about people getting sick and burned out on Politics. Sometimes I am getting sick and tired of hearing everything about politics, that me and my friend Dave work on comedy radio shows and listen to them in the car, or I listen to Old radio programs in my collection. I am currently listening to a whole huge collection of "My Favorite Husband" starring Lucille Ball and Richard Denning. It's like listening to "I Love Lucy" on the radio with some of the storylines having different endings and situations.

Jesus loves Democrats as much as he loves Republicans. He loves everyone equally.

I totally understand and agree with what you said. Going to church should provide everyone there with inspiration and fulfillment, and not just one Political party. Democrats and Republicans should get an equal amount of fulfillment, because it is about Christ, not which party they belong to.