Hi everyone!!! How is everybody doing these long dog days of summer? I have been busy lately..just now catching up on the CATM boards!!!! I don't know about this Kathy thing...but like they say there are two sides to every story. Yes I guess she did handle it wrong..But maybe she did talk to him about getting help. Rembember in the book he tells his mother he can not fight every night?? Maybe she was trying something to get hiim to straighten up...I felt that as long as he was trying to get straight she would stay with him. And after all, a woman donesn't marry a man, have his child which was probably his wish if you don't love him, my guess is she saw a future with him and he did promise her that the drugs would not go on once the baby was born. Seems like the promises she got were not kept..not his fault. We cannot judge her because we didn't live it. We all have our breaking points.I guess she didn't know what else to do.. You know Freddie was a very proud man..he didn't want people to know anything was wrong, he cared too much what people thought and would say. Anyway that's my 2 cents worth..I don't like what she did to him, I blame those stupid doctors and that secretary of his!!! I just don't feel right blaming all on her..Go ahead and bash me if you wish ed brown jr!!

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flannelpjs

Thank you flannelpjs...you said it all!

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Chico: Age before beauty.
Ed Brown: Pearls before swines.
VIAGRA: Nature's little way of saying "No hard feelings"

From the E Hollywood story; she seemed kind of emotionless when she talked of Freddie's death, but then, it happened so long ago...I don't even pretend to know what all happened in their relationship; maybe Kathy did try. But I do know that, as much as Freddie apparently loved Kathy, and if he were here right now, he might be saddened to hear of all the negative things about her. It sounds like both of them made some really poor choices. Maybe she just didn't understand his depression and state of mind and if she could've looked into the future, she might have done things a whole lot differently......Just my little 2-cent's worth.....

I agree with you,too.I don`t like some of the things she said on the E true Hollywood story.But I do feel that it wasn`t all her fault.

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AMEN! to that my Freddie friends. Very well said!!!

It's me again..........

Look at Freddie's pictures at the end of his life. It is obvious that he is sick....

He left the house and moved to the Comstock Hotel. Why did she serve divorce papers asking for money and other things to a man who looked so ill?

Not for nothing.... I had a somewhat similar experience but, I had no child by the man. I think if I did though... I would've tried to help him because he's my childs father.

[This message has been edited by JennyLee22 (edited 08-26-2001).]

I look at it this way.Dusty was the one there with him that night.Why didn`t he stop him ...why didn`t he do something.Call for help when he was waving the gun around.

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In the Fade to Black it said Prinze was a deeply unhappy man whose only real solace came in the shape of his wife Kathy and his son.I think Freddie really loved Kathy.

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After seeing that E True Hollywood Story is was more than clear to me how heartless and cold this freak was. She showed no compassion or emotions. No evidence of her ever loving the man. She was slippery like a snake. I am disgusted by her.

No Doubt Freddie loved her but the problem was she did not love him. She only saw him as a meal ticket. Having a mans child only means one thing for people like her more money they can get.

Flannelpjs, You dont really want me to bash you. I happen to respect the fact that atleast you are aware that she did play some role in his problems. The Dr was the idiot who gave him more pills and his gun back. The Secretary was Kathys friend so all 3 of them are guilty as sin and did nothing to help. They only dug his grave for him.

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R.I.P. AALIYAH, ONE LOVE MAMA. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif

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I think we are all intitled to our opinions and I sure did not mean to offend anyone.Now I get rude email from someone. LOL! No one here Is trying to hurt Freddie Jr. if he should happen to visit this site or anyone else for that matter.I think we can all agree we all are fans of Freddie and we wish someone could have done something to save his life period no matter who it might be.no we werent in Kathys shoes but we, as said before, ARE INTITLED TO HAVE OUR OPINIONS!


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And too at Freddie Jrs age this message board cant be the 1st time hearing opinions about his mom.Some people say horrible things about his dad http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif, he has had to have heard plenty of views on his mother.Being in the public eye especially.But even If she was at her breaking point, demanding a maid is sure NOT a necessity.!


[This message has been edited by LADY LOVES FREDDIE (edited 08-26-2001).]

All I'm saying is when a woman has a child its different. When you're single and free you think about yourself but, when you have a child.... you think about your child. I know I wasn't there and I know theres 2 sides to every story. I know she went through heavy duty crazy stuff with Freddie. I know that! I just can't believe she served him divorce papers when he was so ill at the Comstock hotel. That's being GREEDY! As for Dusty, he said that Freddie sounded bad on the phone that's why he ran to the apartment. Carol was tired I understand that too. I just wish out of all his friends or so called friends that he had... That someone would've cared........ http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif

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As for Freddie Jr. reading any of this.... All I have to say is that I loved his father and will always defend him no matter what. I'm just sounding off. As for Kathy.... She is still with us and she knows what happened that's all... She did give us Jr. though and for that I'm happy...... I love you Jr.

I can't help it..... It's the mother instinct coming out....

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I SO VERY MUCH AGREE with you Jenny Lee22,and I have known people in my own life with those kind of problems to deal with and I have did what I thought was best so even though I did NOT want to bring that up I have been there, yes different time and circumstance but I did help as best as I could and that person is doing a whole lot better thank GOD!!!!!ITS not always easy to give loved ones help but you do what you have to do out of love.and guess what I didnt ask for a maid when I helped him......that might have been a rude comment but its how I feel.Sorry to all you Kathy fans.Im NOT trying to judge! I really am not.She must feel horrible if she has a concience.I just cant imagine my loved one in such agony and torment with no one in the whole world to turn to and being that messed up and THEN being served papers by someone whoes supposed to love you THEN in all that, having to put out the CASH for a MAID? TELL ME WHATS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE??????????



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The e-mail wasn't rude. You took it that way. If you remember correctly...I agreed with everything you had to say. Yes, you are certainly entitled to your opinion...but I DO NOT want your opinions to bleed over into my site. I have a right to say what goes on at my site just like everybody else who has a site. If you want to bad mouth Kathy more power to ya. Be my guest. But I certainly don't think I am out of line to ask you not to bring it there. I was informed by another site that certain things wouldn't be allowed and the messages would be deleted. It's the right of that site manager to say that. She is completely within her rights to do that and I will honor that. In my attempt to keep this mess off the boards you got a private e-mail from me. But since you insist on bringing it here then I will answer you here. Like I said in my e-mail to you..it was NOT my intention to sound rude. If you took it that way then I'm sorry.

Oh yeah she never intended to be rude at all. YEAH RIGHT!!! Dont believe a word this lady says she is lying she was being rude. That is the honest truth.

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R.I.P. AALIYAH, ONE LOVE MAMA. :(

You know what Ed...you don't know me! This post wasn't addressed to you. Keep your nose out of it. You wouldn't know the honest truth if it came up and bit you on the butt. If you want to go toe to toe with me buddy, bring it on...like I said before, e-mail me..or are you scared?

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I read somwhere yrs ago that when Kathy divorced him, it broke his heart & hurt him os bad it caused him to commit suicide. It's so sad. I noticed she did seem emotionless in the E-Story. I think I read somewhere that she didn't like him doing the drugs & argued at him about it. I feel that instead of fussing at him she should've tried to get him help as he really needed it. On the other hand I can understand how hard it must've been dealing with him being on the drugs. She said on the E-Story that he would appear almost dead while he was in bed asleep & she kept having to check to see if he was alive. The whole thing is just so sad. A dear sweet Puerto-Rican boy died because no one helped him. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif

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I never even mentioned your name but of course you know who you are.It seems you get a kick out of arguing with people like Ed Brown Jr. for instance even though hes only stating HIS opinion!And Tell me thats not rude sayin I have no tact and common sence Hello!!!!!!!!Maybie I shouldnt have said nothing but Finally someone had the guts to say somethin about Kathy and In my OPINION she could have DONE MORE!!!!!!!! AND BY GOLLY THATS MY OPIONION! I could say like Ed brown JR SHES A DIRT DISCUSTING HOOKER! But I was JUST Telling it like it is.... http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/biggrin.gif



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Just out of couriosity Chicosladyfair did you ask Jenny Lee not to post negative thread on Kathy at Your site?I noticed she has posted there before.you warned me!!!!!Which I had no intention of doing just responded to a topic....OH IM sorry I was out of line....

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Everyone is definitely entitled to their own opinion and yet the tone of this thread seems to be giving me that deja-vu feeling of when TJ came close to closing the board. I know asking for some consideration for EVERYONE who likes to be a part of this community by not being vicious in your posts is likely to fall on deaf ears, but, I am asking.
Would you like to be JUDGED by the same measure you use for only one of the participants in Freddie's life? Only God knows ALL the facets of the situation. We only have bits and pieces and yet we want to blame someone, anyone for Freddie no longer being here. We miss him. Life is full of unanswered questions and most people have absorbed enough life experience to know that all tragedies have a multitude of factors.
Drugs change, strangle, suffocate, terrify, create paranoia, alter ALL logic, reason and decision making in those they get a hold of. Sadly, Freddie was one of the victims. His drug use started before he was famous and simply became easier to access with fame. Freddie was only in his 20's, Kathy was close to the same age. How many of us even knew what we wanted to do at that age in our lives much less have a clue as to how to deal with a highly addicted loved one? Have you ever had to make those decisions at that age? The exact same situation. If you haven't, then you don't have any idea what the "right" thing is.
I don't post often, and I'm already used to being bashed so have at it. No matter how carefully a post is worded there will be those who will twist negativity into it if that is their core. Hang in there Chicosladyfair.

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Chicoladyfair, I'll go toe to toe with you but i have said time and time again whatever i have to say im gonna say it here cause i got nothing to hide in e-mails. Why are you dying for me to e-mail you so bad? So you can really reply to me and say hey EdJr i really agree with everything you say. Why is it that everytime someone has an opinion you must bash them for it?

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R.I.P. AALIYAH, ONE LOVE MAMA. :(

Thank you weeone!! That was very well put. We will not have all our questions answered as you stated. We can not judge her..as for the divorce papers being sent just then. i guess thats the way its done when you file for divorce. I agree about the maid thing, can't understand why she wanted a live-n maid..I think this is a great board and i respect everyone here..lets try not to be nasty to each other okay?

Just a quote..... Let's all be nice.... HAHAHAHAHAHA...

This is what was served to him...

Divorce papers from Kathy's lawyers...
$25,000.00 - in lawyers fees.
$10,000.00 - court costs.
$4,000.00 - a month alimony for Kathy
$1,000.00 - a month for the child
As well as retention of all properties held in Kathy's name.
Plus medical expenses and dental for her and the baby.

As you can see this really blew him away...... He had legal problems with David Jonas he was trying to work out....

They never did get divorced because, he passed shortly after. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif

You're the one who's been bashing me for the opinions. Back when this whole mess started all I did was voice an opinion about Freddie's heritage and you got all butt sore and said my opinion didn't matter cuz he was dead anyway. I have never told you that your opinion didn't matter...nor have I said you were wrong in what you felt. I just think it's wrong to go to such great lengths to smear someone in the ground. Does nobody hear what I have said over the past two days. I agree with what you say about Kathy. But we didn't live her life. How can you blindly say that she was this or she was that if you haven't been there. In my opinion...and this is just my opinion I think the reason you would rather fight with me here instead of privately is that you are trying your hardest to get this board shut down. And this is just my OPINION.

Originally posted by chicosladyfair:
You're the one who's been bashing me for the opinions. Back when this whole mess started all I did was voice an opinion about Freddie's heritage and you got all butt sore and said my opinion didn't matter cuz he was dead anyway. I have never told you that your opinion didn't matter...nor have I said you were wrong in what you felt. I just think it's wrong to go to such great lengths to smear someone in the ground. Does nobody hear what I have said over the past two days. I agree with what you say about Kathy. But we didn't live her life. How can you blindly say that she was this or she was that if you haven't been there. In my opinion...and this is just my opinion I think the reason you would rather fight with me here instead of privately is that you are trying your hardest to get this board shut down. And this is just my OPINION.

Are you talking to Ed or Me or LadylovesFreddy?

I believe we should stop all this bashing and remember Freddie for who he was. A loving , caring ,talented person who all in all was just trying to make people laugh. Remember Freddie was young and had so much thrown into him so fast. What happened between Freddie ,kathy and all the others is done and over with.As much as we like too we can not change the past. I have forgiven Freddie and the all the people around him. Can you?

Chicosfairlady, you should really change your screen name to Twizzler because thats what you are good for twisting peoples words and stories around... Now all of a sudden you have agreed with me all along. Make up your dam mind already lady, I dont think you feel me. I know deep down inside you hate Kathy come on Lady bring the hate let it out tell us how much you hate her.

Oh and in response to me trying hard to shut this board down i think you should look at yourself and blame you. If that was ever to happen im sure it would not be because of me im just one man.

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R.I.P. AALIYAH, ONE LOVE MAMA. :(

Sorry JennyLee, I was talking to LadyLovesFreddie.
By the way...LadyLovesFreddie...loved your letter. It was so kind of you to write me. I feel that we have BONDED! and I must say..what an intelligent woman you are..you actually spelled that word right. But you did misspell that sweet little "F" word. It's "ing" not "en". Maybe you need to get hooked on phonics. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/rotflmao.gif

[This message has been edited by chicosladyfair (edited 08-27-2001).]

I think this is one of those situations where the phrase "YOU CAN'T WIN FOR LOSING"
fits in. Some people just like to argue and this is one of those situations. If you don't agree with them - then you're opinion isn't worth anything at all!!! SAD!!!!!!

Chicosladyfair... No hard feelings. All I did was give my opinion. I loved Freddie... I will always defend him. I know... I could be wrong about alot of things but, I will never change my views about the divorce papers.

"Rest in Peace Dear Freddie" I will always love you........

You really need some serious therapy.sending me all these horrible emails and saying for me to put you on my buddy list if I have the balls.Seek help.I originally signed on this board to learn all I can about Freddie then I responded to something and youve been emailing me sence.Dont talk to me.Im done with this whole subject.I stated my view and they arent eveyone elses views but oh well.Count your blessing Jenny lee that she hasnt emailed you.She really needs help!

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I think if she got therapy the doctor would end up killing himself cause she would twist everything around and make it look like its all his fault and problems.

I'm sorry you're getting nasty e-mail Lady Loves Freddie - no one deserves that. I must be stupid or something but how can anyone e-mail you when your e-mail is not listed? I never got any until I listed my e-mail address on the message board. Now I truly enjoy those I do get.

I did have my email listed and then I edited my profile but she still had my email address and 1st thing in the morning I read all this hate mail from her while shes swearing at me.So yes I emailed her back and I wasnt nice.But I never started this email harrasment, she did.I deleted that screen name due to her mouth but whos being nasty?I didnt know any of my opinions I shared would have caused all this.Its just too much.



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LadyLovesFreddie, I am with catcopy--so sorry this has happened to you. I can totally empathize. I truly believe Freddie is able to watch what goes on among those who profess to love him (or at least to be a fan of his show), and I can imagine he is saddened by all that has taken place among some of us, both publicly and privately.

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"A friend is faithful, trusting, and helpful, someone that realizes your imperfections and stands by you."--Freddie Prinze

WOw, so sorryto hear that someone got e-mailed hateful e-mails. Hopefully things will calm down soon. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

Here is a quote from dear sweet Freddie:

2. Have faith & persevere.

3. And Love yourself & all your brothers! Believe"..

He was so wise for one so young... We miss you...

Thank you http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif Hopefully we can all get on to a happier subject.And talk about our beloved Freddie.Thats why were all here anyway right?I sure am missing seeing him on tv land now that there playing non chico episodes. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif

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Let's think about happier thoughts of Freddie! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/love.gif

Happy thoughts of Freddie! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/wave.gif http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif Lets talk about.... Freddie, Freddie, Freddie... http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/wave.gif

See I have read this over and over and I dont get it! Jenny Lee asked if you were talkin to her, Ed ,or me and you said me, and never ever would I say Freddie is dead so it didnt matter anyway.,NEVER ever would I say that.It breaks my heart hes dead.I know I never knew him personally but he was young talented, funny,had his whole life ahead of him http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif not to mention sexy as all heak..thats beside the point!His personality alone was awsome.I just had to state my point on that.JennyLee states her opinion and it fine..well great but when I state mine I get horrid e-mail? I just have to ask why? YOU dont even know me.I deleted my screen name cause you were getting so evil with me.And I never even mentioned your name before when I was getting rude e-mail and you said it was you .which it was.But why? why are you so mad toward me when others have had the same views? just a queston.I dont mean to keep this fighting going on.But we all have our views and I just have to know what is you problem with me?


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I don't have anything against you...but I'm not going to explain myself to you or anybody else and have someone gang up on me. Really, whether you believe it or not...I have nothing against anybody here. If you're tired of arguing about it..drop it. I have.

DONE! It was a question.I felt people were gangin up on me.And I wont stand for it or other people getting ganged up on when they just state their views!

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