Hey all,

Someone posted a rather detailed message to me about Freddie's father...thought you might want to check it out on the MESSAGE BOARD at www.prinze-sr.cityslide.com (http://www.prinze-sr.cityslide.com)

Very interesting Croiter. I would like to find out more if I could. Nate was right from what I remember to be true from my days in school...not many Jews went from Germany to Hungary. If Freddie proclaimed that his heritage was Hungarian then he either believed it to be true or thought it best to keep it that way in the public eye. From what I remember, Hollywood was still reeling from the Walter Winchell Communist lynching party, so to speak. It was still fresh in everyone's mind even in the 70's. For whatever reason, it does not dispute the fact that he was one of the great comedians of our time. Thanks Croiter for turning us on to this message.

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Chico: Age before beauty.
Ed Brown: Pearls before swines.
VIAGRA: Nature's little way of saying "No hard feelings"

[This message has been edited by chicosladyfair (edited 08-14-2001).]

Thanks Croiter, That was a very interesting read.

I think Hunga-rican has a better ring to it than Germa-rican. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/outtahere.gif

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Chico: Age before beauty.
Ed Brown: Pearls before swines.
VIAGRA: Nature's little way of saying "No hard feelings"

Croiter - I have no idea if Freddie ever said he was a Hungarian/Jew. I don't remember him saying this. I remember hearing that he was just Hungarian. The Jew part I have no idea where that came from.

LOL chicosladyfair!

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"A friend is faithful, trusting, and helpful, someone that realizes your imperfections and stands by you."--Freddie Prinze

I don't ever remember him saying her was Jewish either. When I went to the web site where this started from they said that Freddie might not have been trying to deceived the people in Hollywood...I think if he really wasn't Hungarian then he didn't know that. I think he truly believed he was.
Mariposa... http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/lol.gif Thanks
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/outtahere.gif

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Chico: Age before beauty.
Ed Brown: Pearls before swines.
VIAGRA: Nature's little way of saying "No hard feelings"

What does it matter if he was Jewish or Hungrian? The man is gone let him rest in peace. I can think of this simple explination maybe his father really is Jewish but his family lied and said they where from Hungry to escape Hitler and Holocost. Alot of Jewish people did that back then because they where afraid of there families getting murdered. I learned that in Social Studies.

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GET OUT OF MY GARAGE I TOLD HER UNTIL THIS SUPERWOMEN SAVED MY DAY, NOW I ALL I CAN SAY IS de de de de, de de de de de de DAMN!!!;)

I think it matters somewhat! I think it gives us a better understanding of who he was. I, personally appreciate every new bit of information I read on Freddie. It's not like we're conducting a smear campaigne against anybody by learning new stuff!

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Chico: Age before beauty.
Ed Brown: Pearls before swines.
VIAGRA: Nature's little way of saying "No hard feelings"

Well maybe to you it matters but i dont think it matters cause yes it is good to learn new things but when you really think about it what is it gonna change??? Nothing.
Now lets just say you where to die ok, and after you have been dead somebody finds out something about you that you never told anyone and its something negative. Its gonna make people change there perspective of you.

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I COULD SELL YOU ICE IN THE WINTER AND FIRE IN HELL!!! IM A HUSTLER BABY http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/wink.gif NOW GET OUT OF MY GARAGE... CHICA 316

[This message has been edited by EdBrownJr (edited 08-17-2001).]

Ed, you are absolutely right when you say that this is not going to bring Freddie back. Nothing we discuss here at the board is going to bring him back. But it is going to further our knowledge and understanding of him. Croiter brought something to this board that he obviously thought would be of interest to us so we could talk about it and have a well rounded view of someone we will never have the pleasure of meeting.
But I ask you...is dragging Kathy thru the mud going to bring Freddie back? It's the same principal as what we are dealing with here. In the grand scheme of things it's not going to make one bit of difference. The outcome is still going to be the same. Whether we talk about what shoes he wore when he was buried or whether we discuss the way E! portrayed him...it's not going to bring him back. My perspective of Freddie has changed only in the fact that he continues to become more complex and multi-faceted everyday thru our discoveries and discussions here.
As for if I died...I would like to think that if someone dug up something negative about me that they would have the God-given sense to figure out why it was a part of who I was. Let the world try and figure all that out. I wouldn't care what people were saying about me as long as they remembered me and I would like to think Freddie felt the same way.

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Chico: Age before beauty.
Ed Brown: Pearls before swines.
VIAGRA: Nature's little way of saying "No hard feelings"

Very well put, chicosladyfair!

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"A friend is faithful, trusting, and helpful, someone that realizes your imperfections and stands by you."--Freddie Prinze

*Stands up and applauds chicoladysfair*

AMEN!

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Cause I'm the mama, that's why!!!;)

Is Dragging Kathy thru the mud gonna bring Freddie back? Answer is No. But this thread has nothing to do with her and she was never mentioned so i dunno why you brought her up. But since you did let me ask how come she is never dragged threw the mud. She was a Whore, who had alot to do with this mans troubles and yet time and time again when it comes time to tell his story he is misportraited and made to look like a drug addict. Thats not right. Hey its not gonna change anything but atleast the truth will be told and Freddie's memory will be given the respect it deserves. That is right.

Sorry to any of the ladies here on the board who may have been offendend by my use of the word "Whore" but i am being real and i am telling it like it is. That is how i see her.

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Well done Ed!!!

O.K...let me start by saying this. I do not begrudge you Ed, for voicing your opinion on Kathy. I am not one of her biggest supporters but the only reason I brought it up about her was that it has been discussed at great lengths on this board. But since we are "calling them like we see them" I want to say this...I love Freddie with all my heart but let's face facts...he was a drug addict! He had an addiction that he couldn't cope with. His thoughts of suicide started way before he ever met Kathy...his drug use started way before he ever met Kathy! I do NOT agree with the choices she made concerning her taking the baby from Freddie and I have said it once but I'll say it again...it couldn't have been all wine and roses living with him. He had issues coming into that marriage.
If you were the dedicated Freddie fan that you claim to be you would understand that calling her a whore is a very narrow minded thing to say. Let us not forget that Freddie LOVED this woman! For the sake of this board I will not respond further to this topic. Ed, my e-mail is at the top of this post.

You are exactly right Chicosladyfair.

First off i never clamied to be a dedicated Freddie Fan. I tell it like it is and say the things that others are afraid to say. Just cause i think she is a whore does not determine how much of a fan i am of Freddie. I have heard people call her worse then what i have said and yet it does not make them a fan of Freddie anymore or less. I wont e-mail you cause i got nothing to hide. If i got something to say to you i will say it loud and proud.

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I COULD SELL YOU ICE IN THE WINTER AND FIRE IN HELL!!! IM A HUSTLER BABY;) NOW GET OUT OF MY GARAGE... CHICA 316

Standing ovation for Ed Brown Jr.

Ed wants me outta the garage again.. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif

Originally posted by Chica:
Ed wants me outta the garage again.. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif

No i dont.

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Anybody on drugs would be hard to live with.Never knowing what they are going to do or if they will live or die.Chicosladyfair,I have a Midnight Globe that is telling Kathy side of the story.It is really interesting and sad.

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Hillbilly

I wonder why anyone would believe a word that comes out of Kathys mouth. As far as im concerned her whole life is one big lie. She has lied so much and covered up the truth all these years that now she is probaly believing her lies.

And further more why would anyone believe any story that comes out of the Midnight Globe that is a Tabloid Paper. You can never trust those kind of papers for your news. Whats next someone gonna post in this thread that Freddie is not dead he was aducted by E.T. and the story is on page 1 of the Midnight Globe.
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I COULD SELL YOU ICE IN THE WINTER AND FIRE IN HELL!!! IM A HUSTLER BABY http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/wink.gif NOW GET OUT OF MY GARAGE... CHICA 316

[This message has been edited by EdBrownJr (edited 08-19-2001).]

Roflmao!!!!

One of the great things about this message board is that we can express our feelings and beliefs and not be criticized for it. Everyone has a right to that! If we all felt exactly the same way about everything, we would not have anything to discuss here. I would not want to be degraded for my opinions regarding Freddie, his family and his past, nor would I put down anyone else for what they believe. I may beg to differ at times, but I would never tell someone NOT to feel as they do.
I truly enjoy reading everyone's posts here
as I feel you all have very valid points of view. Some like Kathy, some don't. Some understand how horrible it would have been to live with Freddie and his drug addiction,
and some don't. I hope any time some one has something about CATM or Freddie Prinze to share, they'll do it. I find it all very
interesting - good and bad! I'm definitely a Freddie Prinze Sr. fan and nothing anyone
could say about him will make me like him less. I want to keep his memory alive and this message board and his many great web-sites are doing a good job of that! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

Some of the things that was in the Midnight Globe was the same thing that was in Maria`s book.Freddie Prinze Story.

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Hillbilly

Yes some of the things are from Maria's book but it never said that Freddie was such a horrible person to live with. Kathy was horrible she had no sympathy for the man who was hurting and just kept pushing him further away. Living with her must have been like working for the Circus.

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I COULD SELL YOU ICE IN THE WINTER AND FIRE IN HELL!!! IM A HUSTLER BABY;) NOW GET OUT OF MY GARAGE... CHICA 316

I agree, Catcopy! I was kinda blasted a long while back for writing positive things about Kathy. It didn't bother me; I feel that different opinons are great and it's what makes this board so interesting!

Freddie's life and work was by no means boring, and neither is this board!

Ed brownjr,I`m just curious.How do you know so much about Kathy?Where did you get your info?I would love to read some of this.I`m not a real big fan of Kathy`s,but I`m just curious.I hope I don`t make you mad asking this questions.I just wanted to know.

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Hillbilly

I know I said I wasn't going to post again. But I'm curious too.

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Chico: Age before beauty.
Ed Brown: Pearls before swines.
VIAGRA: Nature's little way of saying "No hard feelings"

Originally posted by chicosladyfair:
I know I said I wasn't going to post again. But I'm curious too.



Oh Now There Is A Shocker!!!



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I COULD SELL YOU ICE IN THE WINTER AND FIRE IN HELL!!! IM A HUSTLER BABY;) NOW GET OUT OF MY GARAGE... CHICA 316

What's your problem? Why are you so hostile just because I'm curious as to where you're getting your info? Are you making this stuff up as you go? If you are such an expert on Kathy...let us in on it. And while you're at it let us in on what you know about Isaac Ruiz, too.

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Chico: Age before beauty.
Ed Brown: Pearls before swines.
VIAGRA: Nature's little way of saying "No hard feelings"

Well im not making this stuff up i read it all somewhere i cant remember where but it was somewhere. Maybe my mistake was posting this information in the Kathy Prinze Fan Club Thread, you all know she was the last person i believe to talk to Freddie before he shot himself. I only wish he would have choosen to shoot her instead.

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I COULD SELL YOU ICE IN THE WINTER AND FIRE IN HELL!!! IM A HUSTLER BABY;) NOW GET OUT OF MY GARAGE... CHICA 316

Hey Frannie123, Oh im sorry i mean Chicosladyfair why do you care about Issac Ruiz? i didnt even posted about him here in this thread.

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I COULD SELL YOU ICE IN THE WINTER AND FIRE IN HELL!!! IM A HUSTLER BABY;) NOW GET OUT OF MY GARAGE... CHICA 316

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/rotflmao.gif For one thing I'm not Frannie123...I'm lamplighter, you dunce!

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Chico: Age before beauty.
Ed Brown: Pearls before swines.
VIAGRA: Nature's little way of saying "No hard feelings"

Oh so now im gonna be called names for having a different opinion other than yours. It must really burn you deep inside that i do not agree with you like all the others do. Cause im mean that is what you are doing to me right, bashing me for having opinions different from yours not only on this board apparently but others.

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I COULD SELL YOU ICE IN THE WINTER AND FIRE IN HELL!!! IM A HUSTLER BABY;) NOW GET OUT OF MY GARAGE... CHICA 316

Well, I just thought that since you were going around sporting names like whore and dumb b-tch about someone that you didn't even know that it was o.k. to do so. I've never met you so I just thought it was alright. The way you came off to Hillbilly about the Midnight Globe article almost sounded like you thought she was brainless for reading a tabloid. And the way you sounded off about me posting again in this thread made it sound like you thought I couldn't keep my mouth shut.
I don't care if you have a different opinion than me and I'm sure there are a lot of folks here who don't agree with what I have to say. Hey, that's what keeps things interesting but after all, if you're gonna post something about someone that you have never met like Isaac Ruiz, you'd better be prepared for someone to ask you where you got the info...but all of a sudden you got a brain cramp and couldn't remember where you heard it. How convenient. If it was an inside source then you should know where it came from right away. My offer to keep this ridiculous display off the board still stands. But if you feel the need to puff your feathers in public then I understand.

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Chico: Age before beauty.
Ed Brown: Pearls before swines.
VIAGRA: Nature's little way of saying "No hard feelings"

Why do you defend her so much. There is a difference you know. When i call her names its my opinion of somebody we are talking about. Is she a member of this board? I think not. I am respectful in the sense that i dont call you names here. I may not agree with you or care for you that much as of late but neverless i could just call you names also but they would not be posted.

I never said Hillbilly was brainless. My response was directed towards you and not her. So if you thought i was saying she was brainless well you where wrong cause i was talking to you. And about my sound off in this thread about how i made it sound like you couldnt keep your mouth shut. I think you answered that question yourself by doing something you said you where not gonna do and that was reply in this thread again.

If i say something i am not talking out of my behind like you. If someone asks me hey where did u get that info from well if i can say i will tell but if i say Inside Source well then it means i cannot say who told me this. Dont automaticaly think that i am making it up cause i could tell you who or where i found this info out from but i dont want to tell you and that is my choice.

Now as i said after your supposed last post in this thread i will not e-mail you. If i got something to say i will say it here, i will not go to other message boards and hide behind another screen name, ps i dont care who you are on any board it dont make one difference to me. I will say it here in the public loud and proud. The only one who looks ridculous here is you and believe if you think im wrong think again. Puff my feathers...LOL that is funny coming from a coward like yourself.

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I COULD SELL YOU ICE IN THE WINTER AND FIRE IN HELL!!! IM A HUSTLER BABY;) NOW GET OUT OF MY GARAGE... CHICA 316

You wanna play dirty well here are somethings that you said that got me thinking.

You blasted me for calling Kathy a Whore, and other names but,
You call Freddie a drug addict but yet you claim to love him. Maria Freddie's Mom, said she did not want people calling her son a drug addict. Because Maria did say "her son is not another lenny bruce" Maria also said about Freddie that he was over prescribed pills by that physcotherapist.

Second i am not on trial here. I dont have to answer to anyone about where i get the information i post about.

Closing out since it is apparent that you are reading what i post on other message boards i ask that you do not bring it up here since not everyone may not read all the other boards and it has no place being here .

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I COULD SELL YOU ICE IN THE WINTER AND FIRE IN HELL!!! IM A HUSTLER BABY;) NOW GET OUT OF MY GARAGE... CHICA 316

The information Ed Jr. is probably referring to is the Playboy article after Freddie died. They talked about Kathy.

This whole thread has gotten too far off base. Mainly because of Ed's need to contradict himself and then make excuses by blaming others. If you do not wish for me to bring up things you say on other boards then I won't, but it leads me to wonder why you brought up Frannie123 thinking it was my screenname-which it wasn't! You also said you were just calling Kathy a whore because that's how it is. Well in that case I don't see why my calling Freddie a drug addict seems unallowed. Quite frankly Ed, you have no idea what you are talking about half the time, but whatever you are saying is obviously scaring other people off the boards. And if I'm such a coward why are you so afraid to e-mail me?

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Chico: Age before beauty.
Ed Brown: Pearls before swines.
VIAGRA: Nature's little way of saying "No hard feelings"

If Freddie had the "wild streak" in him that so many people say he had, I bet he's in heaven getting a big kick out of all the fuss and commotion on his message board! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/lol.gif
I think we all tend to put too much emphasis on what we read sometimes. After all, with Freddie gone, we have to come to our own conclusions - no one will ever know the whole truth about any of these things will they? http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/dizzy.gif

Far off base or is it that i am hitting alittle to close to home with you. Why must you twist everything around. You are the one who is contradicting yourself and then you blame me probaly cause im making more sense than you. I only brought up Frannie123 after you first brought up a question about a comment i made on Issac Ruiz that was posted on another board. Why you would question me here and not there about Issac Ruiz is beyond me. Probaly would make too much sense for you to reply to a thread on the same message board, hell im surprised i dont have to read your babblings you call replies for this thread at other boards.

Are u mental? I only questioned your calling Freddie a drug addict cause you posted that before i posted Kathy was a whore. I think it is obvious that you dont know what the hell your talking about not half the time but all of the time. Who am i scaring off the board? What people are you talking about? Oh and i cant wait to hear your answer for that one. Ok maybe there scared of you look at what your saying dammit i quote "And if im such a coward why are you so afraid to e-mail me?" that doesn't make sense because I am putting everything on the board not hiding what i have to say in emails to you where you would probaly tell everyone i said something other than what i said.

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I COULD SELL YOU ICE IN THE WINTER AND FIRE IN HELL!!! IM A HUSTLER BABY;) NOW GET OUT OF MY GARAGE... CHICA 316

FROM THE VACATIONING CHERYLHARRELL:

I can understand his family wanting to hide their Jewish Heritage as it was WW2 & the family could've gotten persecuted. I can't imagine why HOLLYWOOD would advise him to change his heritage from Jewish to Hungarian on his dad's side as the war was over then. To me it doesn't matter where he came from.

As for Kathy, I had read that the reason Freddie killed himself was that he was heartbroken over Kathy divorcing him & not letting him see the baby & that caused him to kill himself. So from that I believe she didn't do enough to help him & caused him to do what he did. On the other hand, I know it must've been hard living with someone addicted to pills. Altho I don't agree with how she did him at the same time I don't want to be real hateful about her cuz I know he loved her very much & she or Jr. could easily come across this board & read it. The whole thing is just so sad...

O.K. Ed...You win. I give up. It's not because I have anything to hide but because I can't stand to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man. Go ahead...babble on, talk **** about me. I don't care anymore. I obviously pissed you off to the point where a vein is gonna burst. I'm sorry...I apologize. This was not supposed to turn into a he said-she said battle. Be the victor...you didn't hit anything close to home with me, you didn't strike a nerve with me. We have proceeded to turn a disagreement into a childish playground squabble. If you want to believe that you got the better of me go right ahead. You're the better person. You win.

I really don't care what ethnic background or nationality Freddie & his family is from (although it's interesting to hear another twist in his family's history--thanx for the info, Croiter!). All I know is that I've never seen anyone who looks like Freddie or has his talent; he is SO unique!
I bet Freddie WOULD get a kick out of all the hullabaloo on this thread! It was starting to sound like an old married couple in here (JUST kidding, guys!) http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

FROM THE VACATIONING CHERYLHARRELL:

Wow, if Freddie is able to look down on here I bet he can't believe all this fuss over him. No matter what our views are on here we are all one big family. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif I agree with Luckymama who put it so well on here.

In the picture of Freddie that's on the front of that REEL SOUL magazine I recently got of him he looks sooo sweet in it. I can look at it & tell he is a sweet & loving person. The picture is big enough that I can see into his eyes & I can just tell he is a dear sweet & kind person. I know a picture
doesn't tell everything about a person & some folks who look nice in pictures may not be so nice in person but I can tell & sense with Freddie that he was a nice person. I read that his mother said he cried easily over stuff & I also read that he would cry alot at sad movies. Anyone who was that
tenderhearted & softhearted has to be a kind person. & There is the story in his moms book of how he came across this bum who wanted to bum some money off of him. So Freddie gave him the last little bit of money he had & the bum insisted that he take this silver cross that belonged to him. He hated to do that as he knew it was the only thing of value the man had but the man
insisted so Freddie took it & kept it in his pocket alot. I think that someone who cried easily & had a soft heart & tried to help out a bum couldn't possibly be a mean person but is a very sweet person who sadly got
hooked on the pills & died a tragic death way too young. So I can tell from looking at that picture & a few others of him that he si a dear sweet person.
Another thing I see that shows how sweet he is in the episode where Ed Brown disagrees with his friend Guerra & had been mad at him for yrs cuz he didn't want his son to marry Ed's daughter. After he talks to Guerra to
convince him to go up & talk to Ed, you can see tears in Chico's eyes. When Guerra
walks up the steps you can see tears streaming down Chico's face. That is so
sad in that scene. I think that probably wasn't written in the script & that
when Freddie did that scene, it really made him sad & cry. I think he was so good an actor that when he acted as Chico, he really became Chico & took on his emotions. I truly believe Freddie was a dear sweet Puerto-Rican boy who has the love of God in his heart & sadly got hooked on the pills & became depressed & sadly ended his life way too young. Anyway, how could you look at that dear sweet face & not see how sweet he looks? http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

Again, on the Howard Stern show, Freddie Prinze Jr. said he was raised by his grandmother (I assume Freddie's mother). And Howard said, yes I understand that your mother was a "Wild Child," and FP Jr. did not disagree.

Croiter, from the articles I have read.It was Kathy and her mother who raised him.

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Hillbilly

That's the article that was in the Sunday magazine where Freddie Jr. said that his mothers parents took care of him. When she was able to care for him he moved back with her.

I`m under the impression, that Jr didn`t know his grandma Maria very well.

Anna - I wonder about that too. I hope that he did spend time with her growing up. I know that would break her heart if he didn't.

Maria didnt like Kathy at all. Wasnt that in her book? Most likely Kathy didnt let her Jr see her that much cause they both hated each other. I dunno im confused now too did he spend alot of time with Maria?

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Maria did not indicate that she disliked Kathy in her book. She comes across as a warm and caring person to everyone.

Well we all know that Maria is a warm caring person but Kathy is not.

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I COULD SELL YOU ICE IN THE WINTER AND FIRE IN HELL!!! IM A HUSTLER BABY;) NOW GET OUT OF MY GARAGE... CHICA 316

I read that Jr. spent summers in Puerto Rico...FP's mother was from Puerto Rico. Was Kathy's mother from there, too?