I have been looking over Lisa's latest journal entry and noticed the part about her son buying a secular CD which has one good song over a handful of "evil, questionable" songs. He says he likes the songs because he wants to lean the guitar solos and become a better musician. She explains that say you open the door to a room which has scorpions and snakes and the whole bit, but there are a $100 bills scattered throughout, which would almost justify the risk of entering, but...well, you can read there.
So she says he can't have the CD and should just stick with listening to safe Christian music even though the music is arguably LESS valuable.

SHE ADMITS THAT CHRISTIAN MUSIC IS SECOND RATE!!!!:eek:

So here's my question to her: We all know that rock & roll is full of great musicians with lifestyles we find questionable. For her son to become a better musician, would he have to IGNORE the
musical contributions of Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Keith Richards,
Eric Clapton, Angus Young, Randy Rhoads, and others because of
their unpleasant lifestyles?

i think that everntually, whether Lisa wants him to or not, Tucker's gonna find out about all that. Course, I'm also waiting for the day when her kids enter their whole, "WHY DO YOU FORCE ME TO GO TO CHURCH?!" stage...

No parent can ever keep total control over his or her children. They are exposed to the "real world" everyday, even though the shelter of parenthood tries to hide a lot of it.

I think that maybe they should compromise... try to find some music out there (The Beatles, Hendrix, etc) and find some songs they can appreciate and Tucker can learn from. With internet downloads and CD burners all over the place, it's totally possible to "make" a CD that would be good for him without pushing the envelope too much.

She should let her children have a little independence NOW, so that by the time theyre 16/17 theyre not out getting drunk, smoking weed, and her lil daughter doesnt come home with a baby. Keeping a child locked from everyday life only makes the kid more resentful of their parents and are more eager to set free. She should let him have the CD.. maybe she could get the bleeped version so he cant hear the bad language.

Please close this thread before things get out of hand.

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤
She should let her children have a little independence NOW, so that by the time theyre 16/17 theyre not out getting drunk, smoking weed, and her lil daughter doesnt come home with a baby. Keeping a child locked from everyday life only makes the kid more resentful of their parents and are more eager to set free. She should let him have the CD.. maybe she could get the bleeped version so he cant hear the bad language.

I agree. You can't keep your kids in a little glass bowl all of their life. They have to get out there and experience a little freedom or they will rebel.

I have to say, I agree with Lisa. Unlike probably most of you, I do have kids, and it is only natural to want to shelter them from all things bad. I haven't read the journal entry, but I don't think she meant that Christian music/musicians are second rate. I agree with some of you, too, though. I don't think you can totally shelter your children or they will rebel. I think that they need to find a good balance between secular and Christian. I was raised Christian, but also had the freedom (to a point) to check out secular for myself. I chose the Christian life because of experiences that I've had and things that I was taught. I'm confident that Lisa and her husband will find that blend for their children.
BTW: Not every person raised Christian goes through the "why do you make me go to church" stage.

:)

I think as long as Tucker doesn't repeat or do what the songs
say he can have the CD,But usually those type say
Parental Advisory,Explicit Lyrics so Lisa should listen to the
CD first and then let Tucker know if she approves of it of not
Does Everyone Else Agree?

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤
She should let her children have a little independence NOW, so that by the time theyre 16/17 theyre not out getting drunk, smoking weed, and her lil daughter doesnt come home with a baby. Keeping a child locked from everyday life only makes the kid more resentful of their parents and are more eager to set free. She should let him have the CD.. maybe she could get the bleeped version so he cant hear the bad language.

Yep, you hit the nail right on the head. I'm dying to know what CD it is...

dude, with her veiws on stuff (just my OPINION) it was probably a blink 182 cd. I dunno. ill go read it. W/e.

I'm gonna track him down, lock him in a closet, and Make him listen to Manson and Slipknot until can corrupt his mind. it would be funny.

I think she is trying to make the ideal environment for her children, But even though that is the IDEAL way of raising a child, she can't ignore that there are very few parents who teach there kids in that way.

I think she's trying to raise her child like any other normal child, they have their own choices to face in life and they have to make decisions for themselves she can't make plans for them, eventually they have to fly solo, but most of time not always what's best for them it's best for her, if she wants her children to listen to music leave it for the children decide, but keep at an all-time low, they need a little variety also.

Wow..talk about sheltered kids. Their going to have a hard time entering the "real world". When parents treat their kids like that, they end up screwed up in the long run.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
dude, with her veiws on stuff (just my OPINION) it was probably a blink 182 cd. I dunno. ill go read it. W/e.

I'm gonna track him down, lock him in a closet, and Make him listen to Manson and Slipknot until can corrupt his mind. it would be funny. :rotflmao:

But seriously, I understand how parents like her might not want to have their kids get into some stuff like that at a young age.
But I have a sneaking suspicion she looks at every single performer in rock & roll as an unwitting pawn of the devil. I used to have the hope that she was open-minded and objective, but I dunno now....like what would she say about bands like Rush, Yes, or Dream Theater who have positive lyrics and good musicianship? (for example)

I think the thing Lisa doesn't see is that, hey, when you're 13, you're starting to find yourself. When you have a desire to learn guitar, sometimes you'll enter into that "forbidden territory" that mom 'n' dad don't understand, it's part of your REBELLION!!!!!!:rock: :guitar: :woohoo: :bash: :cheers: And rebellion isn't a BAD thing all the time, it's part of flexing your mental muscles. You're beginning to think and develop your identity. Rock & roll expresses this. Funny how when some of us 30-somethings were growing up, what our parents hated back then is all part of the whole classic rock deal.peace: It's all acceptable now. Like KISS. And even Ozzy. Or would Lisa think there was something totally subversive about listening to Deep Purple or whoever...:confused:

I don't know if I am the only person, but I think really the way Lisa teaches her kid's should be taught to the rest of the world. Why should 13 year old's be so corrupt? I really don't understand the whole "rebellion" thing....and i'm 16, and have never had a point where I can remember wanting to rebel....Maybe I am just insane who knows. I think that in general more families should be family oriented...and since there not, you have to have smart and streetwise kids instead of wholesome people. But I guess Lisa is trying to set an example, I just don't think it is right for a normal family...But let's see how her family ends up.

))UOTE]Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
I don't know if I am the only person, but I think really the way Lisa teaches her kid's should be taught to the rest of the world. Why should 13 year old's be so corrupt? I really don't understand the whole "rebellion" thing....and i'm 16, and have never had a point where I can remember wanting to rebel....Maybe I am just insane who knows. I think that in general more families should be family oriented...and since there not, you have to have smart and streetwise kids instead of wholesome people. But I guess Lisa is trying to set an example, I just don't think it is right for a normal family...But let's see how her family ends up. [/QUOTE]

Actually, when I said rebellion I meant not in the way of blow stuff up and be a total punk but more in the way of having your independence and being cool and all those nifty rite-of-passage type things. I don't think that a person like Tucker should be corrupt. (That was a joke I was making back there about Slipknot and all that.:lol:)I'm just thinking of how Tucker probably wants to play and listen to music that says something about him and gives him some sense of identity. I just don't think as an aspring musician he's gonna find it in stuff like Jump-5 or Jaci or
whatever so much in Christian music. They got rid of the really cool stuff years ago. Now it's teenybopper fluff with no guitars.

Well, how do you know something is good or bad? Seriously, I'm trying to imagine myself in Lisa's shoes. Is it the look factor? If she looks at the cd cover and the artists are in dark clothing and black lipstick and piercings everywhere, does that make her tell her kids that they can't buy the cd? It's just a cd cover. If they have a devil head on the front of the cover, it doesn't necessarily mean the music is sinful music or whatever. If she buys the kid an Eminem cd she could sit the kid down and say, 'Just because Eminem talks about doing this, doesn't mean the listener should actually do this.'

I know some kids go wacko if they listen to Manson. Manson's lyrics doesn't provoke somebody to do something bad. You have to be messed up in the head already to go out and shoot up your school or something. I bet the same thing would happen if you listen to classical music, if you are messed up. If you are listening to a fast musical piece the voices in your head could tell you to take a gun and shoot your family. If you are listening to a slow piece the voices could tell you to blow your brains out.

I hope everybody gets what I'm saying because I know I started rambling towards the top.

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
I don't know if I am the only person, but I think really the way Lisa teaches her kid's should be taught to the rest of the world.

Well no offense, but you've lead me to the impression that your one of these 'holier-than-thou' people. Not a lot of people are like that. Some parents believe in giving their kids total independance with their lives, or at least some. I don't think everyone in the world actually would appreciate listening to Christian music. I don't think many kids would like being sheltered either. Half the kids wouldn't even listen to their parents anyways.

Tucker will surely find a way to listen to whatever music he wants. She's insane to make it taboo for him, there are tons of excellent artists that he will be missing out on. It's sad really. She must not trust the kid or have enough faith in him.

Regarding Lisa's journal, a couple other things blew me away while reading it. There was an entry where she practically tries to justify slavery. How the founding fathers thought it was God's will or something like that. Yikes.
Second, regarding her bankruptcy. She made sure to say how Christians consider it immoral... then of course, she goes to her pastor and, lo and behold, they find a way to justify it for themselves. But anyone else who does it is immoral or un-Christian. Right wing hypocrisy at it's finest.

I've come to the conclusion she's a bit narrow-minded.

Yet I still read her journal, because I like them and their family and I enjoy having a glimpse into other people's lives.

All that said, she's still ok with me, anyone who is a big Survivor fan can't be all bad! It would be a boring world if we all agreed on everything.

PS - GO JAN!!! Winner of Survivor 5!!! :crazy:

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


Well no offense, but you've lead me to the impression that your one of these 'holier-than-thou' people. Not a lot of people are like that. Some parents believe in giving their kids total independance with their lives, or at least some. I don't think everyone in the world actually would appreciate listening to Christian music. I don't think many kids would like being sheltered either. Half the kids wouldn't even listen to their parents anyways.

Well I took offense...I never said that thats the way works or ever will work I just think that when you have a kid you should really try to keep a good environment...If the child doesn't have a parent to parent them then how are they going to know how to structure their lives? And the media has so much brain washing....I see why Lisa really is trying togive her kids the best childhood she can...This is just my opinion.

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind


Well I took offense...I never said that thats the way works or ever will work I just think that when you have a kid you should really try to keep a good environment...If the child doesn't have a parent to parent them then how are they going to know how to structure their lives? And the media has so much brain washing....I see why Lisa really is trying togive her kids the best childhood she can...This is just my opinion.

Well sorry, but that's the impression you have left me with after that whole goddamn deal on the Chit Chat about you "being right" about Catholicism. A good environment?! Jesus Christ, the CD was probably as harmless as Jimmy Eat World! Ooooo, the song had the word "damn" in it. It's not like Tucker's never going to hear the damn word! The best childhood?! Those kids are going to go crazy in 'high school'. She probably will homeschool them through that too... she's sheltering them as much as she can and I feel bad for those kids. I feel bad for ANYONE who is sheltered like that!

Well... my mother was never like that. She doesn't say anything about my all black woredrobe or dark makeup. She let's me listen to what I want. Including Stonesour lyrics that "Mother****er" is litterally every other word. I'm 14. Tucker isnt that much younger than me.

Think of it thise way. Benji from good charlotte was onyl allowed to listen to Christian music as a kid, and he had to sneak CDs into his house, and Juse look at him now. *points to freaky looking mohawk guy in avatar* Makes you wonder how lisas kida are gonna look in a few years.

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


Well sorry, but that's the impression you have left me with after that whole goddamn deal on the Chit Chat about you "being right" about Catholicism. A good environment?! Jesus Christ, the CD was probably as harmless as Jimmy Eat World! Ooooo, the song had the word "damn" in it. It's not like Tucker's never going to hear the damn word! The best childhood?! Those kids are going to go crazy in 'high school'. She probably will homeschool them through that too... she's sheltering them as much as she can and I feel bad for those kids. I feel bad for ANYONE who is sheltered like that!

Yeah. They are way too sheltered. One time she was was talking about how she wanted to protect her kids from learning the meaning fo like... gay and stuff. When they were 10. I knew what it meant by the time I was about 6. Sorry if thats "corrupt", but thats the way that it works. Anmd how tucker aologised for looking at "immodest pictures" and her daughter hugged her for getting spanked. I'm sorry, but isn't that ever so odd? Not everyone is the same, but I can tell you the one time my mom ever TRIED to hit me (she slapped my leg) I made it clear that would not happen again. Becuase I wont stand for that. I cant imagine HUGGING my mother for doing it. And spanking her kids for getting an icepop before dinner. My mom would just say "Oh well, hope it didn't spoil your dinner" and walk away. and then id just prolly eat another one. and she wouldnt care/

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


Well sorry, but that's the impression you have left me with after that whole goddamn deal on the Chit Chat about you "being right" about Catholicism. A good environment?! Jesus Christ, the CD was probably as harmless as Jimmy Eat World! Ooooo, the song had the word "damn" in it. It's not like Tucker's never going to hear the damn word! The best childhood?! Those kids are going to go crazy in 'high school'. She probably will homeschool them through that too... she's sheltering them as much as she can and I feel bad for those kids. I feel bad for ANYONE who is sheltered like that!

Yeah, I could understand a little bit of sheltering when you're a little kid but when you reach 10 or 11 years old that's the time you need to start snipping the sheltering strings.

I swear I'm not trying to be funny here. I promise I'm not and I'm not trying to insult Lisa or her family, but this whole thing is bringing visions of the movie 'Psycho' to mind. If you've seen all 4 of the Psycho movies (not including the remake they did) then you know two things. 1) Norma Bates was very protective of Norman. You know how Norma went on and on about those 'filthy girls' and 2) Norman was one screwed up fella. I know I'm comparing some horror movie to real life, but sometimes that over protectiveness really screws somebody over in the long run.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl


Yeah. They are way too sheltered. One time she was was talking about how she wanted to protect her kids from learning the meaning fo like... gay and stuff. When they were 10. I knew what it meant by the time I was about 6. Sorry if thats "corrupt", but thats the way that it works. Anmd how tucker aologised for looking at "immodest pictures" and her daughter hugged her for getting spanked. I'm sorry, but isn't that ever so odd? Not everyone is the same, but I can tell you the one time my mom ever TRIED to hit me (she slapped my leg) I made it clear that would not happen again. Becuase I wont stand for that. I cant imagine HUGGING my mother for doing it. And spanking her kids for getting an icepop before dinner. My mom would just say "Oh well, hope it didn't spoil your dinner" and walk away. and then id just prolly eat another one. and she wouldnt care/

ummm...I know I'm gonna get totally screwed over here...and people are gonna scream at me..but, this is my two cents...

okay, I've noticed that some people think that Lisa shouldn't be writing books about disipline..blah blah blah..and then they say things like, "My mom would never..." Well, did you ever stop to think that Lisa is giving her parenting views...AND then you're saying, she's wrong because that's not the way YOU'VE been brought up...

Also, I want to say something...I do believe that her kids would hug her for disiplining them, because, apparently, her children understand the concept of disipline...meaning..."you've done something wrong, so you should learn from it! And to teach you a lesson, you get privledges taken away." Her kids would never smack her, or refuse to be disiplined because...
a.) it says not to in the bible and that's what they've been taught-the bible
b.) They understand that they should RESPECT their parents...which means accepting disipline when it's giving...AND..NOT smacking them, or talkign back or whatever...which is good. Because if children aren't talk respect for their parents they're going to get out into what you people like to call, the "Real World" and they get jobs and have bosses that they need to RESPECT or they'll get fired...they aren't gonna know respect and they'll get fired...respect is a terrific thing.

Originally posted by U2baby
Tucker will surely find a way to listen to whatever music he wants. She's insane to make it taboo for him, there are tons of excellent artists that he will be missing out on. It's sad really. She must not trust the kid or have enough faith in him.

Regarding Lisa's journal, a couple other things blew me away while reading it. There was an entry where she practically tries to justify slavery. How the founding fathers thought it was God's will or something like that. Yikes.
Second, regarding her bankruptcy. She made sure to say how Christians consider it immoral... then of course, she goes to her pastor and, lo and behold, they find a way to justify it for themselves. But anyone else who does it is immoral or un-Christian. Right wing hypocrisy at it's finest.

I've come to the conclusion she's a bit narrow-minded.

Yet I still read her journal, because I like them and their family and I enjoy having a glimpse into other people's lives.

All that said, she's still ok with me, anyone who is a big Survivor fan can't be all bad! It would be a boring world if we all agreed on everything.

PS - GO JAN!!! Winner of Survivor 5!!! :crazy:

I remember reading that, too about slavery, I don't think she was really advocating it, she was describing what she had learned from some of the historical sites she had visited where they had said it was rather problematic to end slavery earlier on when they did in the Civil War. I think she was trying to give us an idea of the quandary that many lawmakers were in at the time, that even though it was necessary, it wasn't as easy as it looked...
Of course back then American legislators could have looked at the examples of Christians like William Wilberforce in Britain about ending slavery. I don't think she was advocating slavery. She wouldn't have had Kimmie or the Brooklyn Choir to listen to.

Originally posted by Charlotte Rae Fan


ummm...I know I'm gonna get totally screwed over here...and people are gonna scream at me..but, this is my two cents...

okay, I've noticed that some people think that Lisa shouldn't be writing books about disipline..blah blah blah..and then they say things like, "My mom would never..." Well, did you ever stop to think that Lisa is giving her parenting views...AND then you're saying, she's wrong because that's not the way YOU'VE been brought up...

Also, I want to say something...I do believe that her kids would hug her for disiplining them, because, apparently, her children understand the concept of disipline...meaning..."you've done something wrong, so you should learn from it! And to teach you a lesson, you get privledges taken away." Her kids would never smack her, or refuse to be disiplined because...
a.) it says not to in the bible and that's what they've been taught-the bible
b.) They understand that they should RESPECT their parents...which means accepting disipline when it's giving...AND..NOT smacking them, or talkign back or whatever...which is good. Because if children aren't talk respect for their parents they're going to get out into what you people like to call, the "Real World" and they get jobs and have bosses that they need to RESPECT or they'll get fired...they aren't gonna know respect and they'll get fired...respect is a terrific thing.

I still think its pretty ridiculous that they would hug her for spanking them. I could go into everything in the bible about thiss stuff i disagree with but I wont. It's just weird. No matter how christian you are, very many people, after getting hit my their parents think "Gee, my parents whooped my ass!!! THEY ARE SO COOL! I'm gonna go hug them". I'd just hit back. I know its WRONG and its DISRESPECTFUL and all that stuff, but people hit me, i hit them. Regardless of who they are. My mother and I have gone at it, physically, in the past.

I think her kids are just a little brainwashed and a little wierd.

I think what I'd do is something I've thought about for a while: say if Tucker were my kid and I saw he had a "questionable" CD
(for Lisa, I listen to everything:D ), I'd show that I was interested in his music and see what he thought of it and not pass judgement, etc. "Whatcha got there? Disturbed? Hey, these guys rock!! Tell you what, if you do your chores and don't dip your sisters' pigtails in the toilet, I'll take you and your buds to see Disturbed and Good Charlotte at the Deck the Hall Ball at the Key Arena next month, and go out for pizza on top of that. Say, what song you like from their new album? 'Prayer'? Cool!!:cool:
See, your mom has nothing to worry about! They ARE religious!!":lol:

when I have kids I'm probably gonna be one of those moms with 5 lip rings showing their 10 year olds ancient Slipknot articles ranting about how the nu metal of the year 2025 all was inspired by this and how its so much better and all that stuff.

My children will end up like me. Feared by their peers. its great. being scary is fun. i bet id scare lisa and tucker to death.

Originally posted by Charlotte Rae Fan


ummm...I know I'm gonna get totally screwed over here...and people are gonna scream at me..but, this is my two cents...

okay, I've noticed that some people think that Lisa shouldn't be writing books about disipline..blah blah blah..and then they say things like, "My mom would never..." Well, did you ever stop to think that Lisa is giving her parenting views...AND then you're saying, she's wrong because that's not the way YOU'VE been brought up...

Also, I want to say something...I do believe that her kids would hug her for disiplining them, because, apparently, her children understand the concept of disipline...meaning..."you've done something wrong, so you should learn from it! And to teach you a lesson, you get privledges taken away." Her kids would never smack her, or refuse to be disiplined because...
a.) it says not to in the bible and that's what they've been taught-the bible
b.) They understand that they should RESPECT their parents...which means accepting disipline when it's giving...AND..NOT smacking them, or talkign back or whatever...which is good. Because if children aren't talk respect for their parents they're going to get out into what you people like to call, the "Real World" and they get jobs and have bosses that they need to RESPECT or they'll get fired...they aren't gonna know respect and they'll get fired...respect is a terrific thing.

I agree with you on so many levels...

Originally posted by Jinny Girl


I still think its pretty ridiculous that they would hug her for spanking them. I could go into everything in the bible about thiss stuff i disagree with but I wont. It's just weird. No matter how christian you are, very many people, after getting hit my their parents think "Gee, my parents whooped my ass!!! THEY ARE SO COOL! I'm gonna go hug them". I'd just hit back. I know its WRONG and its DISRESPECTFUL and all that stuff, but people hit me, i hit them. Regardless of who they are. My mother and I have gone at it, physically, in the past.

I think her kids are just a little brainwashed and a little wierd.

Don't you think your parent's show have the position of parent and you are the child. She isn't your peer...I just think that there should be a fine line between what a parent acts as to a child...There was a commercial on the radio...Children need parents not friends, and I can;t agree with that more.

And you trying to go againt authority, is there any way that you have been brainwashed to do that? like for instance the media....Just A thought.

ok i agree with about half and not the other half but i do think respect is important. then again a lot of kids dont listen to their parents. I do but my parents are pretty laid back and dont mind much only the big things the little things they dont really mind like if i listen to Eminem (Btw he is the best eva) or if i want to eat b4 dinner. My parents dont mind only like if i were to go steal something or something of thoes standerds i believe u know the type of thing i'm talking about. they would get mad if i got out of school suspension. heck even inschool suspension. But the little things ya right they cuss some also so to me if they can cuss so can i if they can say sh** so can i. Cuz if they do get on me i can just call them a hipocrit. But I'm not saying thats how every family should be if she wants her family that way its her decision.

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
So she says he can't have the CD and should just stick with listening to safe Christian music even though the music is arguably LESS valuable.

SHE ADMITS THAT CHRISTIAN MUSIC IS SECOND RATE!!!!:eek:

Okay, first off I want to say that I am really proud of the way everyone is handling this thread. It hasn't blown up into a fight.....yet :D


Anyway, for my two cents now. Lisa did NOT say that Christian music was second rate. Whate she was refering to was the fact that Tucker was looking for better guitar solos. She said that the other music might have better solos, but Christian music had better WORDS to go with it's solos.


As for the person who insinuated that they hit their parents, shame on you. Sounds to me like you need either a good whooping or you need to go to a boot camp and learn respect for yourself and others. You shouldn't feel good about yourself that you scare people. I hope someday you realize that and get some help for yourself with all that deep rooted anger.


D

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
Tell you what, if you do your chores and don't dip your sisters' pigtails in the toilet, I'll take you and your buds to see Disturbed and Good Charlotte at the Deck the Hall Ball at the Key Arena next month, and go out for pizza on top of that.

:lol: Oh my God, I'm over here lmao at the 'don't dip your sisters pigtails in the toilet'. lol! I am so glad I don't have any siblings because I bet they would've done that. LOL

I have to say, I agree with Charlotte Rea Fan and Ags2000. I think they really hit the nail on the head in alot of ways.

And, to whoever wrote that they think her kids are brainwashed because they hug her when they are spanked. You need help. I was spanked when I was younger, and didn't like it, but I realized that it was because they loved me. I have to say, I've swatted my kids on occasion, but it is always followed by my explaination as to why they were in trouble, and a hug, and then I tell them how much I love them. I don't hit my kids, and we don't get into a knockdown dragout. (they are just little, anyway) But, I do give them a swat on the rear when they really get out of line, and don't listen. I don't think I'm brainwashing my kids. I think I'm teaching them to respect boundaries and learn consequences to their actions. Just because they are disciplined, doesn't mean that I don't love them. I just don't like what they have done.

Originally posted by 1strunfan
I have to say, I agree with Charlotte Rea Fan and Ags2000. I think they really hit the nail on the head in alot of ways.

And, to whoever wrote that they think her kids are brainwashed because they hug her when they are spanked. You need help.

No. I don't need help. It's not like I am the ONLY person on earth who feels this way. So far EVERYONE ive let read lisas books (just about everyone i know) thinks she and her kids are a little crazy. This is coming from my grandmother, who is more catholic than the pope, and my friend who is such a goody goody tis funny. my mom and dad also think shes weird. So do all of my new friends. Then again we're all freaks of nature (litterally. We're all deformed in some weird way), so ignor us. I just think that whole inflicting pain to teach ur kids a lesson for doign something that didnt nessecarily cause physical pain to anyone else is stupid.

Comtemporary Christian Rock Music, IMO, SUCKS. POD is the only remotely Christian band (even tho they say they dont want to be labeled as a Christian band) I can tolerate. All the rest are plain annoying. I dont have anything against Christian musicians (Hey GC is christian...) but it bugs me when they drag it into their music.

Oh and I had to laugh at Captains comment about Good Charlotte. Benji and Joel (I dont know about the rest) are Catholic. Benji has the virgin mary tattood on himself like... 6 times. one of them is on his neck and the other takes up half his arm.

Lisa Just seems to over-do the whole religion thing. Does she ever have an ecperience with her kids where God didn't become a part of it. And the way her kids talk scares me. They sond like they jumped right out of the bible.

Spanking isn't that bad if it isn't done in an abusive matter. But I agree it's weird if you thank your parent for it. What I did was just go to my room and think about what I did, not give my mom and dad a big ol' hug for hitting me. That'd be just plain weird and I'd get funny looks.

I agree that Lisa is sheltering her kids way too much. One day, when they're going to turn 18, they're going to seriously hate her. They never go to listen to what they wanted, they never got to watch on TV what they wanted. They don't really socialize with other kids at school so I bet they have little friends. Has she ever even let them go trick-or-treating or to the playground or anywhere out of her sight? Kids are supposed to socialize with others and get into trouble and learn things the hard way. Hey, I got into trouble a lot myslef and did bad stuff, but look at me today. I turned out alright........for the most part. ;)

But they're her kids and she's going to to whatever she and her husband want with them, but she has to realize that one day they won't be so perfect. They're probably end up on heroine or crack one day, because hey, she never told them what it is or to stay away from it. They don't know anything about it and that it's bad for you.

Jinny girl
Hey. I wasn't trying to start something with you. The whole You need help thing was just off the top of my head. Like, just because you don't agree with her or her kids, they are brainwashed. :lol: I don't actually think you need help. And, I'm not saying that Lisa hasn't gone a little over the top with the whole shelter thing. I think some sheltering is fine, but too much is just too much. I know people who have gone to the extreme on both sides of this coin. That is why I said they should find a balance. Don't think for one minute that I agree with people who abuse their children. I don't go for that at all. I'm just saying that sometimes a swat or something might be called for. But, only as a last resort. And, that's just my opinion. You can take it or leave it. I do ask one thing, though. Don't get all mad at me or something for saying how I feel. We all have our own opinions and views. So, lets just have an adult conversation and then drop it. What we think Lisa should or shouldn't do is really mute. Like she is looking at this anyway.:)

Originally posted by Original Prankster
They're probably end up on heroine or crack one day, because hey, she never told them what it is or to stay away from it. They don't know anything about it and that it's bad for you.

And she never told them to stay away from it because she wanted to shelter them from the 'harsh world'.

And Dana, I agree with you on everything you've said.... everyone can jump on me now too. Go ahead. Make my day.

I'm going to jump in here again. Y'all are talking about Lisa raising her family as if she is a normal everyday person. She isn't, I mean think about it. I've known some celebrity kids and the parents HAVE to shelter them from over zealous fans as well as the media. Now granted, she hasn't been in the public eye for a long time, but she still needs to be careful.

Not only that, but they are preacher's kids as well. Preacher's kids are help up to a higher standard and are usually raised differently then other kids even those kids whose parents are devout for whatever religion.

I've known preacher's kids who were raised as strictly if not MORE strictor then the Caubles and turned out fine, then I've known some that were rebellious as hell.

My point is, what shey are doing seems to be working for their family so don't knock it until you walk a mile in their shoes.

D

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


And she never told them to stay away from it because she wanted to shelter them from the 'harsh world'.

And Dana, I agree with you on everything you've said.... everyone can jump on me now too. Go ahead. Make my day.

*hands Karli a cookie* Yoo rock Karli. *hugs Karli because everyone else hates me and moves on*

1strunfan: Sry. I really disagree but I though you were trying to be rude and offensive... cause its the comptuer so you cant really tell how stuff is meant to sound. *pats yoo on head and walks away*

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
*hands Karli a cookie* Yoo rock Karli. *hugs Karli because everyone else hates me and moves on*


*hugs Dana* eet's okay. Everyone hates me too. But I luff yoo.







*runs away before Dana kill's her for using her cool language*

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


*hugs Dana* eet's okay. Everyone hates me too. But I luff yoo.







*runs away before Dana kill's her for using her cool language*

*pulls knife* KAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!

Originally posted by Jinny Girl


*pulls knife* KAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!

Yes I know....it's okay, you can kill me... probably be the nicest thing anyone's ever done for me...

Originally posted by Jinny Girl


*hands Karli a cookie* Yoo rock Karli. *hugs Karli because everyone else hates me and moves on*

1strunfan: Sry. I really disagree but I though you were trying to be rude and offensive... cause its the comptuer so you cant really tell how stuff is meant to sound. *pats yoo on head and walks away*

I DON'T HATECHA DANA CAWZ YER MY OTHER FAVERITE PERSUN AWN HERE!!!!!!! :bighug: :rock: :guitar: :rock: :love:

I have mentioned it before that when Lisa's kids (when they were younger) begged for a spanking after having done something wrong, it's because they knew their conscience wouldn't let them live something down if they "got away with it."
Hasn't anyone ever felt that way? It's like criminals who leave trails for cops to catch them (this I got from an old episode of "The Fugitive"). It's not like her kids are punishment freaks (I on the other hand would mind getting a spanking from her...:D :grineyes: :lol: ). I think I remember reading some years ago (and I should check out here at the library) a book entitled "Escape From Freedom" by Eric Fromm, who argued that
too much freedom makes us feel isolated--which calls for our need for a dictator. He wrote this right before World War II as Hitler and Mussolini were gearing up for conquest. Please understand that I am NOT calling Lisa a "dictator", I am saying that when kids or people feel like they have too much freedom (i.e., anarchy), it soon requires a dictator to lay down rules with an iron fist because they realize "we can't trust ourselves with our own freedom." Say if her kids were to blow off all her rules and go Lord of the Flies, there would be more than mom and dad they would have to answer to--like a cop or authoritarian figure.

So Dana, can I have a cookie, too??:liplick:

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


I DON'T HATECHA DANA CAWZ YER MY OTHER FAVERITE PERSUN AWN HERE!!!!!!! :bighug: :rock: :guitar: :rock: :love:

I have mentioned it before that when Lisa's kids (when they were younger) begged for a spanking after having done something wrong, it's because they knew their conscience wouldn't let them live something down if they "got away with it."
Hasn't anyone ever felt that way? It's like criminals who leave trails for cops to catch them (this I got from an old episode of "The Fugitive"). It's not like her kids are punishment freaks (I on the other hand would mind getting a spanking from her...:D :grineyes: :lol: ). I think I remember reading some years ago (and I should check out here at the library) a book entitled "Escape From Freedom" by Eric Fromm, who argued that
too much freedom makes us feel isolated--which calls for our need for a dictator. He wrote this right before World War II as Hitler and Mussolini were gearing up for conquest. Please understand that I am NOT calling Lisa a "dictator", I am saying that when kids or people feel like they have too much freedom (i.e., anarchy), it soon requires a dictator to lay down rules with an iron fist because they realize "we can't trust ourselves with our own freedom." Say if her kids were to blow off all her rules and go Lord of the Flies, there would be more than mom and dad they would have to answer to--like a cop or authoritarian figure.

So Dana, can I have a cookie, too??:liplick:

Yeah well, i still think her kids are weird. But you like Black Sabbath. *gives you two cookies* so you get a treat.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl


Yeah well, i still think her kids are weird. But you like Black Sabbath. *gives you two cookies* so you get a treat.

Yep, her kids ARE weird.:crazy: :D Just think how weird Tucker is gonna be when I get him the new Black Sabbath compilation CD
fer Christmas.present:

Thank you for the cookies....*chomp crunch* Got milk?

Fer that matter....Got Sabbath?:rock: :guitar: :guitar: :rock:

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


Yep, her kids ARE weird.:crazy: :D Just think how weird Tucker is gonna be when I get him the new Black Sabbath compilation CD
fer Christmas.present:

Thank you for the cookies....*chomp crunch* Got milk?

Fer that matter....Got Sabbath?:rock: :guitar: :guitar: :rock:

I was in my Laboratory(pronounced Lah BORE itory) today, cloning sheep, and one of the sheep turned out mutated beyond beliefe, and it gave me the idea to make a computer chip and inject it into tucker. Then I used the sheeps severe deformalities too inspire me as I slaved over the computer chip. And I have it completed! *holds up an ear piercings Gun* The chip is in the gun. You just grab a random pice of skin, pull the trigger, and mutate Tuckers mind, and turn him into a Gothing, homosexual*, Manson Loving little boy. And I created it all thanks to my Mutated Sheep Clone. *pets sheeps 2nd head* Goooood sheep. Niiiiiiiice sheep...

*(nothing against gays, just seemed fitting considerign lisa prolly doesnt like that either)

With all due respect to Lisa, I think this is a load of crap. Don't get me wrong, I like some of her parenting ideas, but this I don't really understand. I mean I see why she wouldn't want her kids listening to Marilyn Manson or Ozzy Osbourne or stuff like that, but how are they going to learn about the classics, like the Beatles, Motown, Bob Dylan, etc.? If Tucker wants to pursue music, he needs to be listening to some of this stuff. Even if a kid didn't have interest in music, it's just part of history. It shaped society, for pete's sake! And since they're not in public school, they're not going to be learning about music there. There's some icky stuff out there, but there's got to be a happy medium. Ok, I'm done now.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl


I was in my Laboratory(pronounced Lah BORE itory) today, cloning sheep, and one of the sheep turned out mutated beyond beliefe, and it gave me the idea to make a computer chip and inject it into tucker. Then I used the sheeps severe deformalities too inspire me as I slaved over the computer chip. And I have it completed! *holds up an ear piercings Gun* The chip is in the gun. You just grab a random pice of skin, pull the trigger, and mutate Tuckers mind, and turn him into a Gothing, homosexual*, Manson Loving little boy. And I created it all thanks to my Mutated Sheep Clone. *pets sheeps 2nd head* Goooood sheep. Niiiiiiiice sheep...

*(nothing against gays, just seemed fitting considerign lisa prolly doesnt like that either)

Nothing against gays either, but I think there would be *some people* who would be rather disappointed if Tucker...switched to the other side...:(

Btw, have I told you that Black Sabbath HAS BEEN MY TOTALLY FAVORITE GROUP since I was 13???? No other band like them!!!!
I wasn't just a guy who "thought they were okay or pretty good",
BUT THAT THEY ROCKED SUPREME!!!!!!!!!! Their message was one I TOTALLY got into. Hard to believe but they were the one band that made me want to become a Christian.:rock: :guitar: :guitar: :rock: Fun story behind that.

Originally posted by JMPolniaczek15
With all due respect to Lisa, I think this is a load of crap. Don't get me wrong, I like some of her parenting ideas, but this I don't really understand. I mean I see why she wouldn't want her kids listening to Marilyn Manson or Ozzy Osbourne or stuff like that, but how are they going to learn about the classics, like the Beatles, Motown, Bob Dylan, etc.? If Tucker wants to pursue music, he needs to be listening to some of this stuff. Even if a kid didn't have interest in music, it's just part of history. It shaped society, for pete's sake! And since they're not in public school, they're not going to be learning about music there. There's some icky stuff out there, but there's got to be a happy medium. Ok, I'm done now.

You know what it's starting to remind me of now? I'm just wondering if Lisa would let Tucker listen to Elvis, or is he even interested in Elvis? Well, you know when Elvis first hit the scenes in the 50s, you guys know how he danced. People made such a big deal about it. OH GOD! This man is out to corrupt our children's minds!!!! Get him out of here! That's how they acted to Elvis and his dancing. When I see clips of him dancing now, I just think to myself how those same parents would act with today's music. Compared to barely there clothes and all the dirty dancing, Elvis and his moves looks innocent.

Originally posted by Jenny


You know what it's starting to remind me of now? I'm just wondering if Lisa would let Tucker listen to Elvis, or is he even interested in Elvis? Well, you know when Elvis first hit the scenes in the 50s, you guys know how he danced. People made such a big deal about it. OH GOD! This man is out to corrupt our children's minds!!!! Get him out of here! That's how they acted to Elvis and his dancing. When I see clips of him dancing now, I just think to myself how those same parents would act with today's music. Compared to barely there clothes and all the dirty dancing, Elvis and his moves looks innocent.

Lisa and her family actually did go to Graceland on their tour last year. And btw, did anyone know that Lisa actually MET Elvis and got KISSED by him on his last tour???:eek: If you read her story on the Yesterdayland site, you'll find out more about it.

But see, you have a point. What was considered "indecent and shocking" back in the 50's would be laughed at today. It all changes. I remember when Alice Cooper was considered the most decadent, evil person in music back in the 70's. Now...he's a Christian!!! Still rocking, but not the crazy guy he used to be.
I actually read Alice Cooper saying that Marilyn Manson's "Antichrist Superstar" album was actually directed against his (A.C's) becoming a Christian....Hmmmm...

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


Lisa and her family actually did go to Graceland on their tour last year. And btw, did anyone know that Lisa actually MET Elvis and got KISSED by him on his last tour???:eek: If you read her story on the Yesterdayland site, you'll find out more about it.



Cool. Didn't know she met Elvis. What an experience.

ok I don't want to rain on your parade here but you guys better be carful what you say Lisa might come and visit this site and see this post and we don't need her comming her and getting all upset at us. Just wanted to warn you guys.

Originally posted by JoPol_wannabe
ok I don't want to rain on your parade here but you guys better be carful what you say Lisa might come and visit this site and see this post and we don't need her comming her and getting all upset at us. Just wanted to warn you guys.

You do have a point. I was a bit worried about some of the things I said because I certainly don't want to hurt Lisa's feelings. I'm just gonna rule it down to I think differently than she does. I prob. won't be the worlds greatest parent, and if I do have kids they'll prob. be rebelling when they are 5 years old or something. I don't want to hover over them 24/7. I do want my kids to experience freedom . Of course, I don't want them going out and getting knocked up and doing drugs and that sort of stuff.

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


Btw, have I told you that Black Sabbath HAS BEEN MY TOTALLY FAVORITE GROUP since I was 13????

MEEEEEEEEEEE TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Well... ONE of my favorites but still thats really cool...

Originally posted by JoPol_wannabe
ok I don't want to rain on your parade here but you guys better be carful what you say Lisa might come and visit this site and see this post and we don't need her comming her and getting all upset at us. Just wanted to warn you guys.

Good. Maybe she'll finally realize that her kids are way too sheltered? I know that won't make her budge with Tucker's music, but you must admit, we did have some very good points on here.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl


MEEEEEEEEEEE TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Well... ONE of my favorites but still thats really cool...

I love Sabbath too! Nice to know that there's other Sabbath fans around here. My favorite Sabbath songs are Sweetleaf and Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath.

But I'm off topic... so talk amongst yourselves.

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


Good. Maybe she'll finally realize that her kids are way too sheltered? I know that won't make her budge with Tucker's music, but you must admit, we did have some very good points on here.

Yeah. Maybe she'l realize that not everyone treats their kids like she does.

Originally posted by timmy087
Wow..talk about sheltered kids. Their going to have a hard time entering the "real world". When parents treat their kids like that, they end up screwed up in the long run. I agree with Tim. I think her children are over-protected.

Originally posted by JoPol_wannabe
ok I don't want to rain on your parade here but you guys better be carful what you say Lisa might come and visit this site and see this post and we don't need her comming her and getting all upset at us. Just wanted to warn you guys.

Well she has to know she's not perfect. Almost every celeb get's talked about over the net and no one is going to stop talking about her just because they're afraid they'll 'hurt her feelings.' She just has to realize that she's not the highly wonderful person that she makes herself out to be.

Funny how we can have a post about Lisa Whelchel AND Black Sabbath at the same time!!!!:cool:

But yeah, this is not meant to be a post where I "just want to bash Lisa", because everyone knows by now that Lisa to me is very much one of the most influential and inspiring persons in my life, who has even helped me personally with a very difficult time last year. My whole point is to talk about the problems that budding young musicians like her son have with wanting to follow their muse while his mother wants to protect him from negative images. That is understandable, but sometimes Christians have this tendency of throwing out the baby with the bathwater; we don't want our kids to listen to harmful songs, but we act like we don't give a rip and throw out ALL secular music--regardless of how good it is or what kind of positive message it has. More convenient that way. Yes, I do think that Lisa is a very beautiful person, very kind and very consciencious--BUT it's true, as a parent, she can get overboard and not prepare her son for adolescence and all the things it takes to become a good musician. Maybe it's because we don't take the creative life
seriously, the arts are very neglected in our schools. And of
course, we don't really care about morality--we clamor about the
lack of morality in media and pop culture, but when we're presented with decent examples, we complain that, well, non-
Christians are incapable of creating anything good because they're sinners...and we're just jealous that OUR CHRISTIAN music isn't outselling Britney of System or a Down or whoever...
("Our music is so moral because we're saved and THEY'RE not..."):rolleyes:

Also I think that Lisa DOES realize she's not the world's most perfect parent. When I gave her my fun banner and told her in September that meeting her was like a "touch from God", she told me, "I don't know about that..." and next thing in her journal she said that it was hard being away from her kids and of all the problems she was having raising them while on the go...So I wish I could have told her that I'm actually glad to hear about her problems, it makes me feel like I don't have to be so perfect either...:D

Ya know... Christian rock music sucks... All contemporary Christian music sucks IMO. Liek one Christian band has a "Sound Like Marilyn Manson". Who don't the little christians go off with their acoustic guitar and bother someone who actually cares about it. And the song "This Day" which isnt rock but w/e also sucks. cause i am FORCED to sing it like... everyday.

Anyway, Tucker has no future in Christian rock music if he wants to be remotely succesfull or taken seriously so Lisa aughta back off. Lyrics dont make a person bad. One of my favorite songs lyrics are:

"Christ, have you seen this guy? Make ya sick. Gotta peel away all the impurities, but all you wanna do is keep curing me. Well I dont give a **** I'll kill everyone, you'll be mopping up blood and guts and all the **** when I'm done. Isn't it fun? Gimme a gun, and I'll show you all the secrets I have *screams* BEFORE I RUN!!!

Please, wring the blood from my hands. Dont pretend that you understand me. I don't even want you looking at me. *screams* MOTHER****ER GET INSIDE!

Get Inside Get Inside (mother****er)
Get Inside Get Inside (mother****er)
Get Inside Get Inside (mother****er)
Get Inside Get Inside" ~Stonesour "Get Inside"

Doesn't mean I'm gonna go psycho and start killing people who I dont like. Just means I like the song.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
Ya know... Christian rock music sucks... All contemporary Christian music sucks IMO. Liek one Christian band has a "Sound Like Marilyn Manson". Who don't the little christians go off with their acoustic guitar and bother someone who actually cares about it. And the song "This Day" which isnt rock but w/e also sucks. cause i am FORCED to sing it like... everyday.

Anyway, Tucker has no future in Christian rock music if he wants to be remotely succesfull or taken seriously so Lisa aughta back off. Lyrics dont make a person bad. One of my favorite songs lyrics are:

"Christ, have you seen this guy? Make ya sick. Gotta peel away all the impurities, but all you wanna do is keep curing me. Well I dont give a **** I'll kill everyone, you'll be mopping up blood and guts and all the **** when I'm done. Isn't it fun? Gimme a gun, and I'll show you all the secrets I have *screams* BEFORE I RUN!!!

Please, wring the blood from my hands. Dont pretend that you understand me. I don't even want you looking at me. *screams* MOTHER****ER GET INSIDE!

Get Inside Get Inside (mother****er)
Get Inside Get Inside (mother****er)
Get Inside Get Inside (mother****er)
Get Inside Get Inside" ~Stonesour "Get Inside"

Doesn't mean I'm gonna go psycho and start killing people who I dont like. Just means I like the song.

Gawsh, reminds me two years ago I heard the DUMBEST song on the radio by a Christian band that was singing like Blink-182, the song was called "Marilyn Manson Ain't My Girlfriend." :rolleyes:

I think, given Tucker's ADHD, he'll either be the terror of all Christian music or the biggest thing to happen in secular music.
I wonder if Christian music has a future if it's just content to rip off whatever's popular at the moment.

So when are we gonna hook him up with some Sabbath??

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


Gawsh, reminds me two years ago I heard the DUMBEST song on the radio by a Christian band that was singing like Blink-182, the song was called "Marilyn Manson Ain't My Girlfriend." :rolleyes:

I think, given Tucker's ADHD, he'll either be the terror of all Christian music or the biggest thing to happen in secular music.
I wonder if Christian music has a future if it's just content to rip off whatever's popular at the moment.

So when are we gonna hook him up with some Sabbath??

*packs a bag full of everything from sabbath to german death metal and get plane ticket* now.

I want to apologize to anyone who may have thought I was slamming Lisa or her parenting skills in this thread. I think when I first read her journal last week, I started projecting a lot of things onto her opinions that I had got from people at my own church over rock & roll, thinking she had simplistic opinions as theirs. I think I reacted in the way that I did because I felt threatened by her opinions in some way, thinking it was going to
make other people less sympathetic to my musical choices. "If you like Lisa, you will accept what she says without question," says the little voice of guilt inside. I have to remember that a person hitting their 40's is in a little different position than a young person barely into their teens.
I can't say what her response should be toward her son who wanted an otherwise objectionable album for just one song for learning a guitar solo. It could have been anything, she doesn't say what the band or CD is. My guess is that he'll find the song and play it either way.

Here's my two cents... three, with tax...

Most of today's music is crap. There are some exceptions... Gov't Mule, Dream Theater, Hank Williams III... But, for the most part, no redeeming value at all. Most of it is shock value crap.

Anyone who wants to be a musician would do themselves a favor by starting with the classics and working their way up (I'm a drummer... I know). The Beatles, The Band, Hendrix, Blizzard of Ozz, Kiss (with Ace), Metallica (with Cliff Burton)... and none of it is a theth as... well... blatantly vulgar as the crap they call music today. Not that I have anything againsty Vulgarity... no sir, I'm a very vulgar, profane person... but that's what comedians are for. Music is art, by cracky, and should be about the music and not how you can shock or offend every other person who hears the song.

And as for raising children.... don't have any... don't want any, probably shouldn't be let within 100 yards of anyone under the age of 13..., but I've got opinions!!! And they are: Keep it liberal. Teach 'em right from wrong, give 'em the rope, and if they hang themselves, they'll learn their lesson. The child who sticks his finger in the light socket learns quickly not to do it a second time, ifuwheel. To give a semi-example of my theory... I've been tattooed since I was 13. Nothing wrong with it. My parents took me to get my first two tattoos... figured it was better than me "rebelling" a few years later and winding up with some disease from getting one done in someone's backyard with knitting needles. I feel that was a smart thing to do.

And, on a last note... to whomever said they would be a parent with 10 piercings or so... if yer female, want to get together? I'll be the tattooed one ;)

Originally posted by The Obsolete Man
To give a semi-example of my theory... I've been tattooed since I was 13. Nothing wrong with it. My parents took me to get my first two tattoos... figured it was better than me "rebelling" a few years later and winding up with some disease from getting one done in someone's backyard with knitting needles.

Damnit! your lucky. I'm 13 and I want tattoos....

Gov't Mule AND Dream Theater???!!!! You took the words out of my mouth!!! I think right there is what Tucker should be listening to, along with the other bands you've mentioned!!!!!! Start with the late 60's and work your way up to....OMG slam on the brakes to the pop-punk dreck they got these days!!! There's talented stuff out there, but you're gonna have to look for it...

I agree..I've often listened to songs by songers I don't particularly like, but I listen to the SONGS, if I don't like the singer's lifesatyle I can always pretend someone else is singing the songs. Besides, her son only wants the CD to pay attention to the guitar and study it to improve his playing. :)

Originally posted by bjntmrsgtbbsd80027
Please close this thread before things get out of hand. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Welllllllllll, nothing got out of hand yet!!!!! Every opinion made on this board invites controversy, it's HOW we handle controversy.
When I first raised this topic, it was the first time in a long while
that I had a difference of opinion with Lisa, an opinion about music. I felt intimidated by the comments of a person I had long respected and looked up to. I had heard these kinds of comments by Christians before (and BTW, for those of you who had read that journal entry, does it seem a little coincidential that
she came up with the parable about the two doors with money behind them??), and of course, to hear Lisa criticize music that I probably like was not a fun idea. I suppose things are different for a musically inclined son who is turning 13 in a few weeks, but
I don't know what she'd say about a guy who just turned 40 and
has no problem with it. I understand why Tucker wants to learn guitar leads from these songs, when you are that age, guitar and music becomes a big driving passion. I have had people criticize me for "criticizing" Lisa and her parenting abilities, but my intent was NOT to criticize her. Things ARE different when the Secular La-La Land has more choice treats than your typical Jesus Christ Superstore, and as a budding young musician, there will be that thrill of "the forbidden". I think it's a little bit much for his parents to allow him to have a "bad" CD for just one song he wants to learn (and I'm just DYING to know what that CD was!!), but I'm sure he'll get it some way.
I'm just wondering if Lisa and Steve feel that way about ALL rock and roll clear across the board whether it's contemporary
alternative rock (Disturbed, System of a Down, etc.) or classic rock
(Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, etc.), regardless of its content. I think people would have less of a problem with the latter, because it's now so familiar (and used in every commercial on t.v.).

So I've been thinking about this thread and our discussions about
music, so I'm just kinda wondering now, in our effort to bring life back into dormant thread, I'm gonna get some feedback of a DIFFERENT kind: What songs do YOU think Tucker should learn on guitar?:guitar: I was sitting here checking my e-mails when they played "The Yes Album" on KZOK's Midnight Classic CD show, and I heard one of my favorite songs, "Starship Trooper." So that got me into ideas on what he might like to learn on guitar. Here are some of my choices so far:

1. "Starship Trooper" --Yes
2. "Manic Depression" --Jimi Hendrix
3. "Eruption" --Van Halen
4. "Crazy Train" --Ozzy Osbourne
5. "Heartbreaker/Live-in Love-in Maid" --Led Zeppelin
6. "For the Love of God" --Steve Vai
7. "Iron Man" --Black Sabbath
8. "Smoke on the Water" --Deep Purple
9. "Freebird" --Lynyrd Skynyrd
10. "Cliffs of Dover" --Eric Johnson
11. "Satch Boogie" --Joe Satriani
12. "Hallowed Be Thy Name" --Iron Maiden
13. "Rock Bottom" --UFO
14. "Sweet Child O' Mine" --Guns N' Roses
15. "Symphony of Destruction" --Megadeth
16. "Pull Me Under" --Dream Theater
17. "Whipping Post" --the Allman Brothers
18. "Stranglehold" --Ted Nugent (this song is on right now!)
19. "Train Kept A-Rollin'" --Aerosmith
20. "Time" (live) --Phil Keaggy. It was really cool in Lisa's journal when she had Tucker meet Phil Keaggy!!:cool:

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
14. "Sweet Child O' Mine" --Guns N' Roses


That is THE best song. Especially the opening guitar on it

"THE BOMBER" BY THE JAMES GANG. Featuring Joe Walsh. I'm listening to this song now and it's a WAY KILLER SONG!!!!! Songs had so much personality back then, too bad they're nothing but hogswill these days. MORE GUITAR SOLOS!!! DON'T BE AFRAID TO EXPERIMENT!!!!