Does anybody remember that article that was found awhile back on the possible link between Freddie's death and the assassination of J.F.K.?
I saved that article and posted it today on my site. I found something very interesting on the article. If you read it you will find the words "repeatedly watched" underlined and highlighted toward the bottom of the article. This is a link to the actual Zapruter film which shows President Kennedy being shot. This is the portion of the film that fascinated Freddie. The film is only about 10 or 15 seconds long but very graphic. If you choose to watch this...please remember that a very depressed young man watched this over and over again. Maybe this will bring about some insight as to Freddie's state of mind and felt it was important to put it on my site. http://communities.msn.com/PrinzeofHearts

I think it was a suicide & not a murder. I think it was a young man who was interested in all sorts of unusual stuff & his deopressed state made him more so...

My shrink friend tells me that depressed people tend to romanticize death...they read about other suicides and murders and fantasize that way...

It's hard to understand, but I believe Freddie was just so drug-induced or whatever that he was fascinated by death.

As much as i would have like to have it rather be a murder i know deep down inside it was really a suicide.

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I believe it was suicide as well. I had always thought that the article was a bit off-handed and strange but when I caught sight of the Zapruter snip-it I felt as if I was maybe seeing something that Freddie saw.
Obviously he saw something I didn't if he romantisized it. I saw a sad and tragic event in the course of history. I believe your friend is right Croiter...death was some grand, romantic way of immortalizing himself.

It's a shame but, I believe he was a very depressed man who was going to do it and thought of it for a long time. He would probably watch the JFK film whenever he was really depressed. Fantasizing like someone on the board said.

Yeah thats true about people obessed with murder watching tapes over and over. Anyone remember that one episode of 21 JumpStreet where Johnny Depp's girlfriend gets killed in an armed robbery in side a story and he keeps watching the video tape cause he blames himself cause he didnt save her and thinks he could have saved her life it was only 3.3 seconds for her to get killed.

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Does anyone believe it was an accident as Freddie's family believes?

I guess I have mixed feelings about the whole thing. It seems like suicide, because of the note. But he joked alot too. I don't think he would have pulled the trigger if he hadn't been taking the drugs. The drugs are what helped him pull the trigger. I would never do it myself, but if were me doing that I would have to be heavily sedated, and not know a thing that was going on. Well I guess you get what I mean.

It's odd how he used a gun to end it all which is more painful instead of taking pills which would've been less painful. I wonder if the drugs caused him to choose a more painful way to go. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif If only he had known that even if Kathy didn't love him anymore there were other women who would love him in a heartbeat & be good to him....

My, my, my! I had never seen that clipping
before of the Kennedy assassination and oh, gee, I can't imagine anyone wanting to end their life like THAT! I can't even imagine what Freddie was thinking when he watched it!
I can see what they mean when they say drugs make a person completely out of control!!!!
What a horrible way go to and oh what a terrible thing to be a witness to!!!!!!

This is my take on this! If Freddie was hell bent on killing himself...he would have taken those pills...Lord knows he had enough of them. But to him, I think the pills were his escape from reality...they were his "Fun" stuff. But the gun...that was clearly his cry for help. The drugs were recreation that turned into a habit but the gun was the cry for help that turned into a lasting mistake.

Im not really sure but i think that the fact his wife wouldnt let him see his son Freddie Jr that hurt him the most and was what pushed him over the edge.

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I just think that he was only 9 when JFK was assasinated. Same age as me. It was a traumatic moment in time. For Freddie to watch that grisley scene over and over it tells me that he was probably thinking about it for a long time. For me personally, If I were high there is no way I would watch that! That's the farthest thing I would want to watch. But, Freddie watched it. He must've been thinking about using a gun on himself for a long time. Something inside of himself really hurt and hurted real bad.... Then on top of that he did drugs in order to forget whatever.... A gun is a powerful piece of ammunition.... They say when a man wants to commit suicide they use a gun but, a woman uses pills.

Originally posted by EdBrownJr:
Im not really sure but i think that the fact his wife wouldnt let him see his son Freddie Jr that hurt him the most and was what pushed him over the edge.



Yep, you're right. I remember reading that yrs. ago. So sad... http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif

Also I noticed in the scenes of CATM where he cries, he does it so well.

In the episode where Ed friend played by Jim Backus cheats on his wife-- Chico is telling Ed that since his cheating friends wife is interested in him that he needs to break it off with her. Chico starts imitating how Ed would break it off with her & how she would cry when Ed breaks it off with her& she'd need a hankerchief & Ed would give her one. Chico starts crying & needs a hankerchief & he pokes Ed in the stomach & says he needs a hankerchief & Ed reaches in his pocket & gives his to Chico. & Chico takes Ed's hankerchief & wipes his eyes with it etc & later hands it back to Ed & tells Ed you shouldn't give your hankerchief to a married woman...

I wonder if perhaps he had done alot of crying like that from being upset over his problems & that's why he was able to do those crying scenes so well...

Bless his heart-- Poor dear...

Ed, Cheryl, If thats what pushed Freddie over the edge, How could Kathy face herself in the mirror? knowing for well she played apart in his death.

It's sad but, that's exactly what pushed him over the edge. That was the breaking point for him. He couldn't cope too well with all the problems he had and she threatened him with not seeing his boy! Ed is right.... This has definitly taught me a lesson though. In a way I know it was hard for her but, she had to see the signs that if she did this... This could've broken him and it did.

Maybe that's why Kathy doesn't really say too much about anything and why she kept Freddie's death a secret from Jr. for a long time. How could someone keep their child away from them? Nobody ever said Freddie hurt the child or Kathy. Even high, it doesn't seem that Freddie would have ever thought of hurting anyone but himself. It makes me so mad! I'd like to know the story Kathy told Jr. about Freddie's death.

I'd love to know what she told him too. As much as Freddie loved the baby, I don't think he would've ever hurt him.

You may want to be careful what you say about her on the Freddie e-mail list on TOPICA tho LOL. I belong to that & made a comment on there that I'd read she used to be a lady of the night (Trying to be polite about it). Someone wrote back on there saying I was judgemental which I wasn't. (I didn't recognize them as being anyone whose on here or the Freddie clubs unless they are a lurker...) I was only mentioning what I read. So I had to write back on there & explain I was just sharing what I had read somewhere & wasn't being judgemental & meant no harm. Evidently they mistakely thought I was trying to write bad about her which I wasn't. If Freddie loved here it is whatever he wants. I only want what is best for him even tho he isn't here... http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by Cheryl Harrell (edited 06-14-2001).]