OK...here's a question, and since religion ones usually get good responses....

Have you ever questioned your religion? Or just felt like God had completely turned his back on you? (if you believe in God)

No. I believe in God. I also believe in fate. Ive never questioned my beliefs. I believe, but I dont like LIVE my life for God. I dont see myself asking WWJD in every situation. I just try to do whats right. Im a good girl.

My God is Avril Lavigne, she never let me down once.

Originally posted by tootiefan4life
My God is Avril Lavigne, she never let me down once.

lol. true...

I don't believe in God. But I've questioned the history of my religion and I hate all the rules against women.

I believe in God, but I don't trust organized religion. I doubt He cares whether or not I go to church. Like Mrs. O'Brien said, I'm a good girl.

Originally posted by dawsongirl
I doubt He cares whether or not I go to church.

Thank you! I feel the same way. My family has started to go to church, but I just don't feel comfortable in a church. I've had a bunch of crappy moments in my life and that kind of made me lose faith a bit. My parents have like gained faith and started going off to church and like I said, I'm just not ready to go to church. If I want to believe, I can believe where ever I want.

i believe in god now but ihave doubts and for a few years i didn;t believe at all so obviously ive questioned it.

Same here, I don't need to go to church to believe in god.
I try to be a good person.

I believe in God now but I did have a few years where I began questioning. Just because a lot of crap had happened and I didnt know why He would do that to me and someone at church had told me that it was "meant to happen" and that got me soooooooo mad because i still dont know why some of it happened.

yea i question it, but then it's like, why be an athiest and take the chance to be wrong. Im not really religious tho. . . .

Originally posted by Jenny


Thank you! I feel the same way. My family has started to go to church, but I just don't feel comfortable in a church. I've had a bunch of crappy moments in my life and that kind of made me lose faith a bit. My parents have like gained faith and started going off to church and like I said, I'm just not ready to go to church. If I want to believe, I can believe where ever I want.

I hear that. Most of the faithful church-goers I know are big hypocrites (sp?) I've been questioning religion for a while, and for a while I stopped praying and I felt crappy. I just recently started praying again and things got a little better, but I'm not nearly as faithful as I used to be & almost turned atheist (sp?) but I fugure people gotta believe in something. I do believe though that God has favorites & that I am probably not one of them.

Originally posted by AliciaKeysForever
OK...here's a question, and since religion ones usually get good responses....

Have you ever questioned your religion? Or just felt like God had completely turned his back on you? (if you believe in God)

NO I don't question my religion because all things happen for my good even the bad things and I don't feel like god has ever turned his back on me (god would never turn his back on his choosen ones) even when bad things happen to me I believe that god lets bad things happen to us to make us turn to him or to learn lessons. That's what I think anyways.

My 'family' has always been pretty religious, so I was raised in church and heard about God all my life......and until I was 13, I went along with it all, and never asked any questions. Then I started "questioning my faith". What I "believed" weren't even 'my' beliefs at all, but what everyone else has been TELLING me to believe for my entire life. And, ya, I questioned whether God even existed. I mean, there's no proof, no explanations, or any"good" reasons why he might. As for the Bible, that could EASILY have been a bunch of made up stories, written by people who wanted to keep order. Plus, we had been learning about religion in school, and heard about how during some time period (Like 100 yrs, I dunno the dates..), people just REwrote the bible to fit their needs. But then, finally, someone rewrote the ORIGINAL version again, and everything was "ok". But, if this went on for 100 years, and there were so many different versions, uhhhh, how could ANY1 possibly know what the "original" one was? Ya, ok well anywayz, I finally just realized that not everything NEEDS explaining. So, I believe in God, and some other things. However, I don't believe in some of the things 'my' religion teaches... Annnnnnd..... that's all I have to say about that. haha

Originally posted by Blair85


I hear that. Most of the faithful church-goers I know are big hypocrites.

Well, I believe in God and I am a christian, but I also totally agree with you on that! I go to church every week and I love it, but I know 90 percent of the other people that go to my church are the biggest hypocrites ever! They come to church acting all "holier than thou" but if you were to run into them outside of church...there's no way you'd think they were religious church going christians...not in a million years. I didn't go to church most of my life, but a friend got me to go when I was in my early teens. I hated it because I knew a lot of the people there and they all talked about stuff like drinking and all that and said they would never do any of that but I knew for a fact they did that stuff every other day of the week! I figured, why should I go to church if this is the way it is? And I stopped for a while, but then I started going back and realized that maybe they all are hypocrites, but I also decided that I was going to church for me, not them, and although it was wrong, what they were doing was their business. I also feel that everyone has a right to believe what they want and if they believe in God, to worship him the way they want. I definitely don't believe that certain religions and certain churches are the only way to do it.

Organised religion scares the crap out of me!
I wasn't raised in a religious family but the primary school I went to (primary school is what you attend between the ages of 5 and 12) practically rammed it down my throat at every opportunity. I know young children are impressionable but I never really took in what I was taught about Christianity at school. In fact, the older I got, the more I really began to resent the way that we were told that Christianity was the only way. To my mind, children should be taught, impartially, about all major religions - not to be force-fed only one.
Although I personally don't believe in it, I'm not against Christianity itself. What I do take issue with is when people try to maintain that it's God's way or nothing at all and those who don't believe are going to hell. That just sickens and angers me. If I had a quid for every self-righteous Christian who has called me a "sinner" then I'd be a very rich woman. What ever happened to "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? Are you telling me that these Christians who are condemning me have never put a foot wrong in their lives? I doubt it! I also take issue with that fact that, as far as the Bible is concerned, I am evil cos I'm gay - why should I be condemned because of that?! And doesn't the Bible say that we should love everyone unconditionally? Of doesn't that include gay people? Hmmmmm, bit of a contradiction there, me thinks.....!

Religeon isn't for me. It's too judgemental. I'm my own person and I'll live by my own rules. As long as I don't harm anyone else in the process then I don't see why I should go to hell. As far as I'm concerned, heaven and hell are just states of mind. I don't like the idea that there's someone up there, sitting on a cloud, who has our lives already all planned out for us. I'll make my own way in the world thank you very much.
Like I said before, I don't dislike all Christians. If believing in a higher power helps you guys sleep at night then good for you. It just doesn't work for me, that's all.

Mossopp.

I am a Catholic. My whole family is Catholic and I was raised going to Mass, but my family aren't very religious people. They do what they have to do (i.e. Church) and then leave it be. I don't believe in half the beliefs of the Catholic Church (no offense, anyone). I haven't been to church in 6 months, and I have questioned religion many times and have even tried to get my parents to let me convert to something else other than Catholicism. But...

...the tables have turned and I don't want to be a part of any one religion anymore. Like Mossopp said, organized religion scares the hell out of me. The people scare me the most. I don't know what, or who, I believe in these days. 'God' doesn't love me. He doesn't love everyone. How the hell can he love Osma Bin Laden? Answer me that. And give me a REAL, logical answer. I don't wanna hear these quotations from the Bible or any of that. 'God' has turned his back on me. Anyone know why I'm putting Him in quotations? Because yes, you cannot scientifically prove there is no God, but you can't scientifically prove there is one either.

Originally posted by Babes_Kay
I am a Catholic. My whole family is Catholic and I was raised going to Mass, but my family aren't very religious people. They do what they have to do (i.e. Church) and then leave it be. I don't believe in half the beliefs of the Catholic Church (no offense, anyone). I haven't been to church in 6 months, and I have questioned religion many times and have even tried to get my parents to let me convert to something else other than Catholicism. But...



My parents let me go from Catholic to Methodist....I could not STAND the catholic church. The people there were a bunch of phoneys and I didn't belief half of the catholic stuff....Methodist is so much better. The people there are just so nice...except some of the high school people are hypocrites like someone said. They go to church and stuff like they're supposed to..and I mean, I try not to like...swear in church or on the church "property"...its not right. But obviously some people could care less....

catholic girls (the majority) are whores. I go to school with em, and at school dances its not uncommon to see them on their knees or grinding. Ok grinding is fine, I do it, but dear god, sometimes people just take it too far. When I start hearing people moan while grinding... oh God... the memories *shudders*... They all roll their shirts up and wear the TIGHEST JEANS EVER and all this stuff. Yet when they go to chapel at school they all pray and and act like they're really into that whole religion thing. I was baptized all catholic and all that so im kinda supposed to be catholic but I disagree with just about EVERYTHING that they do. I'll say the prayers, and Ill do that whole year of the rosary thing (well were required to in school but w/e) but it just bothers me when people expect that you go by EVERY SINGLE THING THEY SAY!!!!!!!!!!!! ARGHHHHHH! oh well. I told my friends that they scared me. And I got mad because they laughed at me fore going up for communion when i hadnt done the whole first comunion thing. So i told them it was stupid, pointless, and nothing but a stupid holy rice cake with no value whatsoever. they didn't ever mention it again.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
So i told them it was stupid, pointless, and nothing but a stupid holy rice cake with no value whatsoever. they didn't ever mention it again.

:lol: sorry, but I find that extremely funny.

Yeah I can say I have, but every time I have I have come to the same conclusion...to stick with religion. The whole basis of the Catholic church is faith....and if you don't have faith I don't see how you can beleive most of the stuff the church teaches. I really love going to church although I do miss it once and a while...I really do not know what I would do if I could never go to another mass ever again. I think it really is the community that your church is in... but I don't know....it's just my opinion.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
catholic girls (the majority) are whores.

omg i will so agree with that....
i dont go to catholic school but there is a catholic girls school around here.
i always go to these dances at a military academy- theyre usually really cool. (plus its about a 15-1 guy-girl ratio at most of em...:) )
Well one dance last yr all these girls from the catholic school showed up and ahhhhh, theyre soo awful. Most of them were grinding with like 3 guys and wearing barely anything. My friend got in a fight w/ one she was SUCH a b****. aghh......im way off topic here- but catholic school girls bother me.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
So i told them it was stupid, pointless, and nothing but a stupid holy rice cake with no value whatsoever. they didn't ever mention it again.

That is just so disrespectful....when they say THIS IS HIS BODY, it's not a symbol...I don't know how but that is Jesus's blessed body, or so I am taught...It might just be the 11 years of lectures by many preists, nuns and brothers...But I just can't abandon my faith that quickly.

Originally posted by Titania


omg i will so agree with that....
i dont go to catholic school but there is a catholic girls school around here.
i always go to these dances at a military academy- theyre usually really cool. (plus its about a 15-1 guy-girl ratio at most of em...:) )
Well one dance last yr all these girls from the catholic school showed up and ahhhhh, theyre soo awful. Most of them were grinding with like 3 guys and wearing barely anything. My friend got in a fight w/ one she was SUCH a b****. aghh......im way off topic here- but catholic school girls bother me.

I have to agree with that there... most of the girls at my school are pothead whores... But I don't pay attention to them. And yeah that would never happen at my school since someone got suspended for hugging in a hallway.

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind


That is just so disrespectful....when they say THIS IS HIS BODY, it's not a symbol...I don't know how but that is Jesus's blessed body, or so I am taught...It might just be the 11 years of lectures by many preists, nuns and brothers...But I just can't abandon my faith that quickly.

I agree that it's completely disrespectful, but my religion (I'm Lutheran) doesnt believe that its COMPLETELY Jesus' body and blood. Its somewhat of a symbol, but there's really Jesus' body and blood in it. Make sense?? Probably not. It took me forever to comprehend that, and my pastor said its ok not to understand it completely. No one does.

The whole reason that I started this post was because I wanted to see if anyone else, besides me, has ever felt like God just forgot about you. Or is punishing you. I know that I have. I feel that way now, but I do still have faith. I have a lot of faith, otherwise I wouldnt be telling you that calling Christ's body and blood "stupid, pointless, and nothing but a stupid holy rice cake with no value whatsoever" is so disrespectful. But it's between you and your god, I guess.

I always feel like ***** when something bad happens to me, but I don't blame it on God. I don't have like a dartboard with his face on it that I throw darts at when I'm mad or something bad happens in my life. That's not what God is for. I see it as God gives up two choices. Right and wrong. If we do the wrong thing, you just have to be able to recognize your mistake and try what to do is best. Just as simple as that. And also, I do really hate those narrow minded people who always say "You go to hell if you don't believe in God" or "America should abandon the Constituion and all it's laws and use the Bible as the law." That's just plain *********! I may be a Catholic and follow what I've been taught and what I've learned, but I don't go and put people down just cause they aren't the same religious denomination as me or don't believe in a God at all. I just chose to believe in God because I feel that the faith is right for me and I continue to believe in him because I want to, not because I'm forced to. If I was forced to, I would have stopped believing a long time ago.....

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind


That is just so disrespectful....when they say THIS IS HIS BODY, it's not a symbol...I don't know how but that is Jesus's blessed body, or so I am taught...It might just be the 11 years of lectures by many preists, nuns and brothers...But I just can't abandon my faith that quickly.

Ah.... and here we go again. I forgot here, Dana and I talking to God, whatever we say must be their beliefs or else we get snapped at. (no pun what-so-ever intended)

Okay. Yes, that might be offending to some people, what Dana just said. But Dana doesn't believe that. SHE does not believe that's His body, nor do I. I understand it's offending, and obviously you have a right to speak up and speak your mind when something is offending. But please, don't do it in such a "You'd better believe this because I am right" tone. I'm not saying your having that tone, but it seems like your pushing her to believe it. I've got news for you, not all Catholics believe it. It's a pet peeve of mine when Christians go and say things like if you don't believe their beliefs then your totally wrong.

*puts on body armor* Okay guys, I'm ready to have stuff thrown at me! :D

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


It's a pet peeve of mine when Christians go and say things like if you don't believe their beliefs then your totally wrong.

*puts on body armor* Okay guys, I'm ready to have stuff thrown at me! :D

My father does that. You know those religious emails that people forward to you? Dad tells me to forward them to a few people that he knows and the thing is if you believe in it then no problem. However, some people might not believe some of the stuff the emails says. I try telling my dad that and he said 'Well, I'll just keep sending them to the people that don't agree.' I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I just have a feeling that a person should believe what they want and not have anybody try to push them into religion or something.

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


Ah.... and here we go again. I forgot here, Dana and I talking to God, whatever we say must be their beliefs or else we get snapped at. (no pun what-so-ever intended)

Okay. Yes, that might be offending to some people, what Dana just said. But Dana doesn't believe that. SHE does not believe that's His body, nor do I. I understand it's offending, and obviously you have a right to speak up and speak your mind when something is offending. But please, don't do it in such a "You'd better believe this because I am right" tone. I'm not saying your having that tone, but it seems like your pushing her to believe it. I've got news for you, not all Catholics believe it. It's a pet peeve of mine when Christians go and say things like if you don't believe their beliefs then your totally wrong.

*puts on body armor* Okay guys, I'm ready to have stuff thrown at me! :D


ah I see where your coming from....and I agree with you in a way. Ok, this is basically what we have been learning since 9th grade....ok the Catholic beleifs are right... no matter what you think they are right and whatever you think is just your subjective opinion about them....But they are in fact right no matter what. And I think that is wrong in a way....because what if something really is in fact wrong? i really don't get it, and thats why I kinda gave up and just beleif whatever they tell me. It's too difficult to disagree anymore. I don't know....so I should probarly just keep my mouth shut lol.

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
....ok the Catholic beleifs are right... no matter what you think they are right and whatever you think is just your subjective opinion about them....But they are in fact right no matter what.

Ya... you learned that, you believe that. I learned that, and I don't believe that. Point proven.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
catholic girls (the majority) are whores. I go to school with em, and at school dances its not uncommon to see them on their knees or grinding. Ok grinding is fine, I do it, but dear god, sometimes people just take it too far. When I start hearing people moan while grinding... oh God... the memories *shudders*... They all roll their shirts up and wear the TIGHEST JEANS EVER and all this stuff. Yet when they go to chapel at school they all pray and and act like they're really into that whole religion thing. I was baptized all catholic and all that so im kinda supposed to be catholic but I disagree with just about EVERYTHING that they do. I'll say the prayers, and Ill do that whole year of the rosary thing (well were required to in school but w/e) but it just bothers me when people expect that you go by EVERY SINGLE THING THEY SAY!!!!!!!!!!!! ARGHHHHHH! oh well. I told my friends that they scared me. And I got mad because they laughed at me fore going up for communion when i hadnt done the whole first comunion thing. So i told them it was stupid, pointless, and nothing but a stupid holy rice cake with no value whatsoever. they didn't ever mention it again.
Well first off, just for the sake of sport, that was kind of a long paragraph Jinnygirl. Lol. ;) Anyway though what is grinding or being on their knees mean? Is that rubbing together with close on and other such activity? And is grinding and knee positions exclusive to Catholic girls? I mean I know you're not prejicice and all because you said so in the post where you said all minorities want to get welfare or special attention.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
And I got mad because they laughed at me fore going up for communion when i hadnt done the whole first comunion thing.

Yea see thats another thing about the Methodist church....I made my first communion at my old church...but at the Methodist church, they do Communion once a month instead of every week, and they don't care about first communions...they don't even do 'em. It's pretty much open...you can do it if you want, but if you don't want to, you dont have to.

Originally posted by Original Prankster
I always feel like ***** when something bad happens to me, but I don't blame it on God. I don't have like a dartboard with his face on it that I throw darts at when I'm mad or something bad happens in my life.

No offence meant but I think the dartboard analogy is a little out of place. Thats not the way it works when you question God after something bad has happened, usually its because you trusted him so much and cannot understand why something happened.
One of my friends stopped going to church after her mother died because she could not come to terms with why it happened.
The time I questioned God the most was after my friend was hit by a train and died at 15. Things that just dont make sense as to why they had to happen. I think a lot has to do with the way many religious people will say that it was "supposed to happen" and that hurts so much when your told that someone you loved was supposed to die or something bad was supposed to happen to you.

I am a Christian, but I hate to call myself a Christian. For years I hated the term because it sounded like crushing aluminum cans,
and like you couldn't say it without spraying it. It just seems so...
INADEQUATE to call oneself a Christian, because there's more to it than one has in their little checklist of beliefs. I agree with Karli,
what we call "God" is bigger than the mental picture in our heads of him. You can't prove it and you can't DISprove it. Too many Christians do have this idea that they have "all the answers" as to what God's all about. Well, I'm comfortable with knowing that I don't have all the answers, and that I only have a limited concept of God. That's because I am finite and he is infinite. He only shows us what he needs to show us. (Plus, to call God a "HE" is also limiting.)
I remember when I met Lisa Whelchel in September for about the fourth or fifth time this past year. The last thing I said to her was that the neat thing about meeting her was that it was a little
"touch of God" each time, and she said, "well, I wouldn't know about that..." And I wish I could have explained what I meant, maybe she knows, but I don't put Lisa on this pedestal, I kinda like her human and having problems, I didn't want her to think I thought "she was God" or she was "God's special agent" or anything, it was just neat to meet her as a friend over the past few times. I wish I could say things differently. I don't wish to be some superChristian (I'm already Captain ABlairica:D ), sometimes I just wish I could find God's will and pursue my art and feel good with that.
I question things every day about God without disbelieving in him, but I get frustrated with Christians everyday. Because I believe there is something MORE that we could be living, but we really haven't even touched the surface with God. We're not living up to what we could really be.

Originally posted by Titania
I think a lot has to do with the way many religious people will say that it was "supposed to happen" and that hurts so much when your told that someone you loved was supposed to die or something bad was supposed to happen to you. Yes! That's true. And why would they know that it was "supposed to happen"? Such a cheap shot! Ick!

I've always believed in God and have never questioned His existence but I'm also one of those people that don't see the importance of going to church. I don't think that just because I don't want to be there I'm damned to hell. Besides, like some people also said, I'm a good girl. ;)

Originally posted by Titania
No offence meant but I think the dartboard analogy is a little out of place. Thats not the way it works when you question God after something bad has happened, usually its because you trusted him so much and cannot understand why something happened.

I was just explaining that I wouldn't be as extreme as to do something like that. Just examening the extreme end of blaming God for something tragic. It's no like I've ever done it or even thought about it doing it myself.

Originally posted by JoPol_wannabe


NO I don't question my religion because all things happen for my good even the bad things and I don't feel like god has ever turned his back on me (god would never turn his back on his choosen ones) even when bad things happen to me I believe that god lets bad things happen to us to make us turn to him or to learn lessons. That's what I think anyways.
Agreed. As soon as I do something stupid or wrong Im automatically think that that was my "lesson". Like me getting my speeding ticket. I mean, everyone else does that speed I did in that area, but I was the example. I feel as though God taught me a lesson, because He knew Id learn from it. And I did. Oh, and BTW....2 more days til I get it! LOl.

I "go" (meaning WENT) to my towns Baptist Church, but we call ourselves Christian. Im sorry, but whats the difference?!?! Well, anyways..I used to go to Sunday School. Of course, Sunday School is for kids so you get to do pretty fun things. I also went to Camp Monadknock for a few years during the winter and the summer. It was pretty fun-ugh except for the services..I get bored. Personally, I like the people @ my church for the most part because most of them are older so theyre actually believers, not kids being forced to go...which, IMO is pointless and only makes the child hate it even more. A couple of years ago I had to go with my friend to her church..and shes Catholic. Ugh..I was so bored there, seriously. Plus, the church was whicked empty..I thought I was going to fall asleep (no offense to the Catholics..just my opinion because its not my religion so I have different thoughts on it) and I could hardly here anyone talking. The majority of kids who I went to school with her Catholic, and I must say our school is full of druggies and whores- especially the UNDERclassmen, which to me is sad. When I went to my church, I went with some kids who I went to school with, and a lot of them were really good actually. Except one..ugh whatever. When I get older I want to go to church again. For some reason it just appeals to me, but not now. Ohh..and for some reason I always wanted to go a "black" church. When you watch shows like Sister Sister, Fresh Prince, ETC. and they were @ church...the people were so upbeat and always singing! Id love to go to a church like that because it would make it more enjoyable. I went to Sunday School from when I was about 3 up until I was 16..and I have nothing to say for it. I mean, I STILL know nothing about the Bible or half the stories from it...thats why I hated when we had discussions..I had nothing to say.

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤
The majority of kids who I went to school with her Catholic, and I must say our school is full of druggies and whores- especially the UNDERclassmen, which to me is sad.

Yep, same with my school. My school had a few decent people, but the rest either fit into the druggie & whore category or the stuck up crowd.

My town is so bad with teen pregnancies. I've seen 9th graders that were knocked up. My mom gets on my nerves saying that the word is pregnant not knocked up. Pregnant is for when you get married. When you get it on with whoever and you find out you're gonna have his kid, then your knocked up.

It's just sad and I hate to see what it's gonna be like when I'm in my 40s and I have kids, if I have kids that is.

Originally posted by Jenny


Yep, same with my school. My school had a few decent people, but the rest either fit into the druggie & whore category or the stuck up crowd.

My town is so bad with teen pregnancies. I've seen 9th graders that were knocked up. My mom gets on my nerves saying that the word is pregnant not knocked up. Pregnant is for when you get married. When you get it on with whoever and you find out you're gonna have his kid, then your knocked up.

It's just sad and I hate to see what it's gonna be like when I'm in my 40s and I have kids, if I have kids that is.
Yups...I feel the EXACT SAME way you do with the words pregnant and knock-up. When your a 15 year old whore sleeping with three guys..thats knocked up. 15 year olds shouldnt be having baby showers.

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤

Yups...I feel the EXACT SAME way you do with the words pregnant and knock-up. When your a 15 year old whore sleeping with three guys..thats knocked up. 15 year olds shouldnt be having baby showers.

It's even worse if they have 3 kids with 3 different guys. I'm serious, some of the people in my town do that. You would think they would realize with the first knock up, but nope. They run out and do it again.

Originally posted by Jenny


It's even worse if they have 3 kids with 3 different guys. I'm serious, some of the people in my town do that. You would think they would realize with the first knock up, but nope. They run out and do it again.
Ugh wow. Well, its not that bad over here, but give it a few more years Im sure. *Oh, and Im sure the teens who have a baby (hell, or 3) still have time to party..:rolleyes:

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤

Ugh wow. Well, its not that bad over here, but give it a few more years Im sure. *Oh, and Im sure the teens who have a baby (hell, or 3) still have time to party..:rolleyes:

Don't you know it. Mom and dad come into play there. I wanna go clubbin, so you need to babysit the kids.

Originally posted by ILoveLucyfan4eva
I've always believed in God and have never questioned His existence

Eh...I guess I didnt clarify when I posted last time. It must sound pretty bad when I say how disrespectful things are to God and I say I've questioned his existence. Thats not what I meant to mean...makes sense? I meant that I question whether he cares. I know he exists. Its faith. I just dont know why he makes so many bad things happen to otherwise good people.

Originally posted by Jenny


Don't you know it. Mom and dad come into play there. I wanna go clubbin, so you need to babysit the kids.
Ugh God I know..you always see that on Jenny Jones and such. If I were the parents I know I wouldnt do that!

Okay, before I say anything, I want to check this...

Okay, I guess that worked...:D I'm trying to put it in my siggy, but it's not doing anything...:confused: Oh well...

Sometimes I've just wanted to come on here and just give answers and everything, but....I look at problems people have and I just have nothing to say. I could offer philosophical arguments for the existence of God, and...no one needs a philosopher. People can have pretty strong beliefs and views about God and RuLIIIIIDDDGGGGEIOOOONNN....and they just fall flat in the face of experience.

Originally posted by Jenny

My town is so bad with teen pregnancies. I've seen 9th graders that were knocked up.

One of my friends got pregnant in 7th grade...she was about to turn 13.
Its kinda scary, she had to quit school and her parents tried to teach her at home and help her raise her daughter. (her bf was a lot older and skipped town right away)

I've never had to question my religion. God never turns his back on anyone. It's people that turns their back on god.

Originally posted by Titania


One of my friends got pregnant in 7th grade...she was about to turn 13.
Its kinda scary, she had to quit school and her parents tried to teach her at home and help her raise her daughter. (her bf was a lot older and skipped town right away)

That's a shame. 13 is still so very young. At least she had her parents support though. Some parents wouldn't be so supportive. Pity about the bf skipping town.

Hey, that worked!! Does my siggy image look too LARGE??:confused:

I would have to say though that I have no problems with God. I have problems with people though who remain on one level with him and don't grow, people who have replaced spiritual maturity with RuLIIIIIIIGIOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN....Funny one time we were in Sunday school and we were discussing little
legalistic rules that Christians adopt for themselves that don't have really anything to do with the Bible, things like no playing cards, no movies, no dances, vote the right way (REPUBLICAN...:rolleyes: ), a big rule decades ago you couldn't read the funny papers on Sunday, no smoking or drinking of course, you couldn't wear jeans or makeup if you were a girl, and one of my suggestions, the rule that "rock & roll and heavy metal is bad..." (what THEY say, not what I say...) and one lady says, well that IS a good rule to have because a lot of that hard rock IS from Satan, blah blah...and I figured, I am NOT getting into this argument...You try to make a point about petty rules and you get someone DEFENDING them..................

I always get into heated discussions with my catholic friends over their religion (Catholocism, in short, is stupid.), and I usualy always win the argument because I pretty much tear apart ever little beliefe of theirs and kill it. No offense to Catholics, but theres no denying its the most boring religion with the dumbest rules.

The one thing i find stupid about any religion that happens to do this would be communion with the stupid rice cake thing. its a wafer, not God, get over it. Everyone takes it so seriously.... Dude... I could buy a rice cake from A&P, say its holy, and be the famous girl witht he holy rice cake.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
I always get into heated discussions with my catholic friends over their religion (Catholocism, in short, is stupid.), and I usualy always win the argument because I pretty much tear apart ever little beliefe of theirs and kill it. No offense to Catholics, but theres no denying its the most boring religion with the dumbest rules.

The one thing i find stupid about any religion that happens to do this would be communion with the stupid rice cake thing. its a wafer, not God, get over it. Everyone takes it so seriously.... Dude... I could buy a rice cake from A&P, say its holy, and be the famous girl witht he holy rice cake.

So how do they do that thing in transubstantiation where they magically make that rice cake thing into "God" or the body of Christ??:confused: No, I'm not being blasphemous, for centuries Christians have debated over the nature of the host and all. Case in point, Martin Luther (pro-body of Christ) vs. Ulrich Zwingli
(anti-b.o.C; symbolic only). I never thought I'd ever make a reference to Swiss reformer Ulrich Zwingli on these posts.

IT WAS A BLASPHEMY!!!! WAS IT A BLAS' FO' YOU????

Originally posted by JDS84
I've never had to question my religion. God never turns his back on anyone. It's people that turns their back on god.


God doesn't have a back to turn, because there is no god. Nope, no god! Religion was/is just a way to control people..."If we make these people believe there's an invisible man in the sky who will send them to "heaven" if they believe in "him" and send them to burn in "hell" for eternity if they don't we'll get them to obey us!"

Originally posted by school sux



God doesn't have a back to turn, because there is no god. Nope, no god! Religion was/is just a way to control people..."If we make these people believe there's an invisible man in the sky who will send them to "heaven" if they believe in "him" and send them to burn in "hell" for eternity if they don't we'll get them to obey us!"

i cans ee where ur coming from. I cans ee where all the religious peopel are comeing from too. I am not going to take sides until I die, and see for myself.

Originally posted by school sux
God doesn't have a back to turn, because there is no god. Nope, no god! Religion was/is just a way to control people..."If we make these people believe there's an invisible man in the sky who will send them to "heaven" if they believe in "him" and send them to burn in "hell" for eternity if they don't we'll get them to obey us!"
why dont u think theres a god?

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
I always get into heated discussions with my catholic friends over their religion (Catholocism, in short, is stupid.), and I usualy always win the argument because I pretty much tear apart ever little beliefe of theirs and kill it. No offense to Catholics, but theres no denying its the most boring religion with the dumbest rules.

The one thing i find stupid about any religion that happens to do this would be communion with the stupid rice cake thing. its a wafer, not God, get over it. Everyone takes it so seriously.... Dude... I could buy a rice cake from A&P, say its holy, and be the famous girl witht he holy rice cake.


:rolleyes: And your rules on living are better? And hmm, If you don't beleive that the hosts are God's body...The main teaching of the church, Why are you in a catholic school? I take no offense from what your saying because what your saying if purely subjective and you are really clueless in my eyes about the Catholic faith.

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind



:rolleyes: And your rules on living are better? And hmm, If you don't beleive that the hosts are God's body...The main teaching of the church, Why are you in a catholic school? I take no offense from what your saying because what your saying if purely subjective and you are really clueless in my eyes about the Catholic faith.

You don't have to be Catholic to go to a TAG School. I had a bunch of friends who were from different religious backrounds and beliefs that went to my old school. It's not like they are going to check your religious backround and force you to obey their beliefes to go to a TAG school. It's open to everyone. Plus, i'ts her opinion. She can believe whatever she wants to about the Catholic faith.

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
:rolleyes: And your rules on living are better? And hmm, If you don't beleive that the hosts are God's body...The main teaching of the church, Why are you in a catholic school? I take no offense from what your saying because what your saying if purely subjective and you are really clueless in my eyes about the Catholic faith.

Jesus Christ, here we go again! I think Dana knows about the Catholic Faith and teachings. She's not stupid. She's clueless in your eyes about the Catholic Faith and that's cause she hardly BELIEVES in the Catholic Faith! You may think her opinion is purely subjective, but she may not and she's only expressing it here! You can agree with it or you cannot, but DON'T come on this board acting like your God (no pun intended) and what you say goes!!!!!!!

I know that, But why go to a catholic school if you don't beleif in the catholic faith? That doesn't make any sence to me... Considering in my school at least you are forced to go to mass and pray...I don't know if it's just my school but religion is very big here at least.


....and I can beleive whatever I want about her.

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
I know that, But why go to a catholic school if you don't beleif in the catholic faith? That doesn't make any sence to me... Considering in my school at least you are forced to go to mass and pray...I don't know if it's just my school but religion is very big here at least.


....and I can beleive whatever I want about her.

1] I went to a Catholic school for 7 years of my life, and I don't believe half of what I was taught, but I grinned and bared it!

2] Maybe her mother and father wanted her to go there! I can think of better reasons to go to a school other than beliefs. It may have had something to do with safety issues or educational purposes. Not EVERY class is centered around God.

3] I didn't say you couldn't believe whatever you wanted about her! All I'm saying is to stop acting as if anyone who does not believe in the Catholic faith is purely wrong!

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


Jesus Christ, here we go again! I think Dana knows about the Catholic Faith and teachings. She's not stupid. She's clueless in your eyes about the Catholic Faith and that's cause she hardly BELIEVES in the Catholic Faith! You may think her opinion is purely subjective, but she may not and she's only expressing it here! You can agree with it or you cannot, but DON'T come on this board acting like your God (no pun intended) and what you say goes!!!!!!!

Ugh why do I say anything at all. I really should just keep my mouth shut I guess. I never intending to act like "god" I was just saying my opinion, and yeah well I am taught that the church is the truth and everything ANYONE thinks is just subjective and has no real basis unless it agree's with what is morally right. And her saying that she could just buy some rice cakes....that shows really shows she is making no sence...There is a HUGE difference in what they are...I think I should just keep my mouth shut from what I beleive from now on. But thanks for listening anyways....

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


1] I went to a Catholic school for 7 years of my life, and I don't believe half of what I was taught, but I grinned and bared it!

2] Maybe her mother and father wanted her to go there! I can think of better reasons to go to a school other than beliefs. It may have had something to do with safety issues or educational purposes. Not EVERY class is centered around God.

3] I didn't say you couldn't believe whatever you wanted about her! All I'm saying is to stop acting as if anyone who does not believe in the Catholic faith is purely wrong!


1. But why should you have to do that if you don't beleive it...

2. Yeah I am forced to go to my present school and I hate it, But why go along with it if it is so not true to you. And well almost all mine are....

3. I was directing that comment to Chris. And I am so not acting like God, I am not God....sorry if I gave you that impression. And sorry, But that's what I was taught, That they are wrong if there facts are not based on facts.

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
1. But why should you have to do that if you don't beleive it...

2. Yeah I am forced to go to my present school and I hate it, But why go along with it if it is so not true to you. And well almost all mine are....

3. I was directing that comment to Chris. And I am so not acting like God, I am not God....sorry if I gave you that impression. And sorry, But that's what I was taught, That they are wrong if there facts are not based on facts.

1] So I wouldn't get beat with a ruler!

2] Why go along with it? Because maybe your parents FORCE you to.

3] Once again for the 2986940th time, you were taught that, but we don't believe it.

Originally posted by ~°~RockAngel89~°~

why dont u think theres a god?


When you show me proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, that there is a god then I will believe it.

Originally posted by school sux



When you show me proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, that there is a god then I will believe it.

The problem with this kind of argument is that you want to see/hear/feel God as any other phenomenon of nature, i.e.,
like you want/expect him to be a Big Silvery Guy with a ZZ Top Beard in the sky, and then if it were "proven" to be God, you'd think, that ain't God, that's just a big silvery guy in the sky with a ZZ Top beard...

What sort of God are you looking for?

I believe in a higher power. I don't call it God or anything. But I don't practice any religion. I was raised Catholic, but I don't believe in a lot of stuff that religion preeches. So, yes, I have questioned my religion.

Originally posted by school sux



When you show me proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, that there is a god then I will believe it.
Well u dont hafta believe in God, but in ur other post u were saying that He's flat out non existant, not that u just believed that He was.

Originally posted by ~°~RockAngel89~°~

Well u dont hafta believe in God, but in ur other post u were saying that He's flat out non existant, not that u just believed that He was.

Two books worth checking out:

"Your God Is Too Small" by J. B. Phillips

"Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


Two books worth checking out:

"Your God Is Too Small" by J. B. Phillips

"Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis
I havent read em but im guessing theyre saying theres no god..i believe in God neways so it dont matter.

Originally posted by ~°~RockAngel89~°~

I havent read em but im guessing theyre saying theres no god..i believe in God neways so it dont matter. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG-O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In fact, these books say EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE!!!! J.B. Phillips was a British clergyman who wrote one of the most popular Bible translations of all time, The Phillips New Testament. He wrote YGITS as a way to point out people's beliefs in a "small", inadequate form of god and tried to present a bigger, more reasonable picture of him. He knew that most people have an idea of God as a "cosmic policeman" whose only job was to "make people feel guilty" about stuff, or a "Grand Old Man" who "wouldn't understand" advancements of science, and he tried to argue against these "small" kind of ideas of God.

C.S. Lewis, of course, was the author of the Chronicles of Narnia, and he wrote a book that is considered by many to be the greatest argument in favor of God, "Mere Christianity". He spent his early years as an atheist until, as he wrote in his autobiography "Suprised By Joy", he had a search for God that was more, in his words, like "the mouse's search for the cat."
He starts out MC with the basic sense of right and wrong in our minds as the basis for believing in God, and goes from there.

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG-O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In fact, these books say EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE!!!! J.B. Phillips was a British clergyman who wrote one of the most popular Bible translations of all time, The Phillips New Testament. He wrote YGITS as a way to point out people's beliefs in a "small", inadequate form of god and tried to present a bigger, more reasonable picture of him. He knew that most people have an idea of God as a "cosmic policeman" whose only job was to "make people feel guilty" about stuff, or a "Grand Old Man" who "wouldn't understand" advancements of science, and he tried to argue against these "small" kind of ideas of God.

C.S. Lewis, of course, was the author of the Chronicles of Narnia, and he wrote a book that is considered by many to be the greatest argument in favor of God, "Mere Christianity". He spent his early years as an atheist until, as he wrote in his autobiography "Suprised By Joy", he had a search for God that was more, in his words, like "the mouse's search for the cat."
He starts out MC with the basic sense of right and wrong in our minds as the basis for believing in God, and goes from there.
o ok lol

Originally posted by ~°~RockAngel89~°~

o ok lol

Btw, did you know that the first letters in "Your God Is Too Small"
spell out YGITS? What are Y-gits???:confused:



:lol:

"I make fun of people who are religious, because I think they're fundamentally weak. But I want you to know that on a personal level, when it comes to believing in god, I tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a god, who created us in his own image, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things.
I tried to believe it. But I have to tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize...something is f***ed. Something is wrong. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, povery, torture, crime, corruption, and the ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong.
If this is the best god can do, I'm not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. This is the kind of stuff you expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. In any well-managed universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful a$$ a long time ago.
So, if there is a god--if there is--I think reasonable people might agree he's at least incompetent and maybe, just maybe, he doesn't give a sh*t. Which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of his results."
- George Carlin


I know he's a comedian, but he makes a hell of a point!

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind



:rolleyes: And your rules on living are better? And hmm, If you don't beleive that the hosts are God's body...The main teaching of the church, Why are you in a catholic school? I take no offense from what your saying because what your saying if purely subjective and you are really clueless in my eyes about the Catholic faith.

Excuse me, I think I know. I'm ****ing studying it. I'm in a catholic schoo because it has ery high academic standards. 10% of the student body is not catholic. I just didn't realize quite how much I hated it. And go ahead. PROVE that I am definately WRONG and you are right. PROVE there is a God. I really would like to see you try.

And i was raised catholic *******. My grandmother and mother both attended church, my grandmother went to the "School of the Immaculate Conception". But In my eyes 75% of everything that I was told was a blatant lie.

I believe in God. But I dont believe in the "afterlife", or heaven and hell. Its just a fear of death.

Originally posted by school sux
"I make fun of people who are religious, because I think they're fundamentally weak. But I want you to know that on a personal level, when it comes to believing in god, I tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a god, who created us in his own image, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things.
I tried to believe it. But I have to tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize...something is f***ed. Something is wrong. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, povery, torture, crime, corruption, and the ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong.
If this is the best god can do, I'm not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. This is the kind of stuff you expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. In any well-managed universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful a$$ a long time ago.
So, if there is a god--if there is--I think reasonable people might agree he's at least incompetent and maybe, just maybe, he doesn't give a sh*t. Which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of his results."
- George Carlin


I know he's a comedian, but he makes a hell of a point!

I'm sorry, but I find that ridiculously hysterical.....

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


I'm sorry, but I find that ridiculously hysterical.....

yeah so do I. But I also laugh everytime anyone says "cucumber" so... yeah.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl


yeah so do I. But I also laugh everytime anyone says "cucumber" so... yeah.

Are you serious? I laugh everytime someone says "Pinkie" as in finger...pinkie..finger...okay.

Originally posted by AliciaKeysForever
OK...here's a question, and since religion ones usually get good responses....

Have you ever questioned your religion? Or just felt like God had completely turned his back on you? (if you believe in God)

no ive never questioned my religion, i am buddhist and i believe in reincarnation, so i dont think we never really die, our bodies stop but our souls go on forever.

Originally posted by school sux
"I make fun of people who are religious, because I think they're fundamentally weak. But I want you to know that on a personal level, when it comes to believing in god, I tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a god, who created us in his own image, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things.
I tried to believe it. But I have to tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize...something is f***ed. Something is wrong. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, povery, torture, crime, corruption, and the ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong.
If this is the best god can do, I'm not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. This is the kind of stuff you expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. In any well-managed universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful a$$ a long time ago.
So, if there is a god--if there is--I think reasonable people might agree he's at least incompetent and maybe, just maybe, he doesn't give a sh*t. Which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of his results."
- George Carlin


I know he's a comedian, but he makes a hell of a point!

Interesting. Yes, people say that there is no God because of all the injustice in the world--if God were any kind of God, he would stop it. Welllllllllllllllllllllll....how come we let OURSELVES off so easily when WE do crap to other people?? Where was God to stop US from doing that??:confused:

Oh, the dreaded curse of freewill...

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
Interesting. Yes, people say that there is no God because of all the injustice in the world--if God were any kind of God, he would stop it. Welllllllllllllllllllllll....how come we let OURSELVES off so easily when WE do crap to other people?? Where was God to stop US from doing that??:confused:


You know what.......I don't get you. First of all your posting about how there is a God and in another post your like "If you trust you won't sin" or some crap like that, then you come to this post and start questioning God. What's up with that?

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


You know what.......I don't get you. First of all your posting about how there is a God and in another post your like "If you trust you won't sin" or some crap like that, then you come to this post and start questioning God. What's up with that?

I'm not saying I'm questioning God, there, I'm saying that for those who complain that "God must not be there" because of all the sin and injustice in there, they seem to be awfully easy on themselves when THEY sin or do something wrong. In THEIR argument, if there is no God to stop bad people from doing bad things, why are we awfully easy on ourselves WE do bad--wouldn't we want God to stop US from doing bad?? That's the problem with freewill.

In other words, if there is no God to stop bad things from happening, it sure works to OUR advantage when we do bad.

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


I'm not saying I'm questioning God, there, I'm saying that for those who complain that "God must not be there" because of all the sin and injustice in there, they seem to be awfully easy on themselves when THEY sin or do something wrong. In THEIR argument, if there is no God to stop bad people from doing bad things, why are we awfully easy on ourselves WE do bad--wouldn't we want God to stop US from doing bad?? That's the problem with freewill.

In other words, if there is no God to stop bad things from happening, it sure works to OUR advantage when we do bad. You're applying all of the cop-out to the perpetrators. The question or the statement and George Carlin's humorous but true rant was questioning the justice lacking in the eyes and of the person or persons who are having the torture and death and gawdawful things happening TO them. It wasn't the Jewish peoples' freewill to be indicriminately put to death, for example, during the holocaust. It isn't the Iraqui peoples' free will to be suffering dying by the thousands year after year due to the US imposed sanctions. It won't be the Iraqui peoples' freewill to be bombed and killled by the thousands if the US government chooses to do that to them in the near future.

Originally posted by kittflynn
You're applying all of the cop-out to the perpetrators. The question or the statement and George Carlin's humorous but true rant was questioning the justice lacking in the eyes and of the person or persons who are having the torture and death and gawdawful things happening TO them. It wasn't the Jewish peoples' freewill to be indicriminately put to death, for example, during the holocaust. It isn't the Iraqui peoples' free will to be suffering dying by the thousands year after year due to the US imposed sanctions. It won't be the Iraqui peoples' freewill to be bombed and killled by the thousands if the US government chooses to do that to them in the near future.

I think that when I made this statement I was thinking more of the people who watch the news and read papers (i.e.) who complain about the injustice going on and blame God. I wasn't knocking the victims of the Holocaust or whoever for there lack of belief in God due to the atrocities. I think what I was getting at was more of the day-to-day little sins and snafus we commit each day that we can easily excuse that could have major repercussions later on to ourselves or to others. Or even if we DO get away with them, does that excuse our selfishness and being inconsiderate? (I.e., cutting off people in traffic, grabbing someone else's change in the change cup at the checkstand at the store, etc.) We blame God for the big stuff (the Holocaust,
the deaths of children due to this pointless embargo of Iraq, the attacks on WTC and the Pentagon, etc.) but the small stuff WE OURSELVES do is excusable, like "good thing there's no God to get on my case for (insert bad act here).":confused: :rolleyes:

Personally, I don't care if there is a God or what religion is "right". I just wish he'd send me a bunch of money!!!

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


I think that when I made this statement I was thinking more of the people who watch the news and read papers (i.e.) who complain about the injustice going on and blame God. I wasn't knocking the victims of the Holocaust or whoever for there lack of belief in God due to the atrocities. I think what I was getting at was more of the day-to-day little sins and snafus we commit each day that we can easily excuse that could have major repercussions later on to ourselves or to others. Or even if we DO get away with them, does that excuse our selfishness and being inconsiderate? (I.e., cutting off people in traffic, grabbing someone else's change in the change cup at the checkstand at the store, etc.) We blame God for the big stuff (the Holocaust,
the deaths of children due to this pointless embargo of Iraq, the attacks on WTC and the Pentagon, etc.) but the small stuff WE OURSELVES do is excusable, like "good thing there's no God to get on my case for (insert bad act here).":confused: :rolleyes: Okay, point taken about the big stuff. But for people who excuse their own behavior on the little stuff like stealing the change out of the change tray or leaving a crummy tip for the waitress, lol,--well, they'd make excuses for themselves no matter if they believe in a god or not. Right and wrong should have nothing to do in the minds of all of us with whether or not one believes that some all powerful being is overseeing the works from on high down here on earth. Speaking for myself, I don't believe in God but I do believe in "do unto others..." and don't excuse myself when I come up short.