As I was thinking about Freddie's book, I was wondering why when Maria called Freddie's secretary and asked her to bring her to his apartment why didn't she do it,
Sure she'd been there earlier but she also watched him count and continue to take those pills,why didn't she just take Maria to her son,maybe she would have gotten there b/4 the damage was done,because as Maria points out in the book,she(the secretary)knew right where Freddie Lived and could have saved valuable time.
I sure would not want to be that secretary and have that thought running through my mind.
It's not my place to judge but I must be honest and say that I was mad at her for awhile after I finished reading the book.
I too couldn't help but think,as I was reading that maybe there would be a different,better,and more hopeful ending what emotional reading

I think I read somewhere she was tired but hey she wound up staying up at the hospital anyway after he did the unthinkable. If I was her I would've rather stayed up longer & got him help than to have happen what happened... Sure wish she'd done more...

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I believe I read somewhere (maybe in Maria's book) that F.P. secretary was also a good friend of Kathy's. That's where he met his secretary in fact. Anyway, I was wondering if it would be hard to be 100% dedicated to Freddie when he was supposedly having a battle with Kathy and causing her so many problems with his drugs. Anyone else know what I'm talking about??????????

catcopy, your not the only one who has wondered that! He fired his first personel assistant to hire Carol when he met Kathy. Maria's book says they were good friends before Freddie! Was she there to keep Freddie out of trouble, or keep an eye on him for Kathy? Enquiring minds want to know!

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yeah, I 'd read that somewhere that she was a friend of Kathy's. I wonder if maybe she sided with her?

Thtt's a good question about Carol maybe being there to keep an eye on Freddie,which makes me ask even more seiously why didn't she help when she had the chance?
If she were a good friend of Kathy's wouldn't she want to do all she could to Help Freddie so that her good friend Kathy wouldn't have to raise their beloved son alone.
What kind of friend wouldn;t have tried to step in and help.

All of you raise some good and valid points. I have wondered the same things. When I first read this account in 1979, I remember feeling angry that she made weak excuses for not being there to help him. It just does not add up. I think he must have felt like the lonelinest person at that time. The true meaning of friendship was missed by a lot of people who were close enough to help him.

I apologize for the tone of my last post. I do not mean to be judgemental. But it does hurt and anger me the way the entire thing unfolded. As Freddie's Mom said, "Minutes could have saved our son."!!!!

Amen...

I have no answers for those important questions but, I wish that day never came. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif I can't believe that he was so alone. Sniff... http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif

Something else that bothers me: In the short teaser clips they give at the start of the E-True Hollywood story, Carol says that Freddie threatened to shoot her. But that was never repeated again or elaborated upon in the body of the show. It was the only clip that wasn't repeated. I found that very strange... Also, I wonder if she could have fabricated that story about Freddie pretending to shoot himself in the bathroom. She really had nothing nice to say about Freddie, but you think she would feel guilty as hell, wouldn't you? She kind of pisses me off...(Sorry TJ)

Something else: In the PB article, a few paragraphs after the author states that Kathy worked at the Mustang ranch in Reno,he writes: "Kathy's friend Carol Novak also came from Reno to become his secretary..." Maybe I'm overanalyzing, but when I read between the lines I think the writer is hinting that Carol might have also been a shady character (involved with prostitution, perhaps). As a reporter I think that maybe he had reports that Carol also worked at the Mustang ranch, but couldn't prove it. And to avoid a libel suit, he left it out. What do you guys think?

Croiter, I have wondered that too. The secretary Freddie had before was this gorgeous blonde. It has been a while since I read the book, but I think Freddie's ma really liked her too. She does not really say much about her daughter-in-law or Carol Novak. I am no one's judge, and I am not sure if those things are true about Kathy Prinze, but why would Freddie marry someone like that. I hope this doesn't sound bad, but it is a question I have been dying to ask. I'd really like to hear a man's point of view on it too....I thought men liked sweet innocent girls--like yours truly....

You've got to remember. Freddie grew up near Harlem. He dealt drugs in high school. He was a rough street kid, no matter how sweet he appears on TV. And I think I read somewhere that he was abused as a child. He was only 20 or 21 when he met Kathy... the sex was probably good, and he was probably the kind of girl he was used to...that's my opinion...

I meant "she" was probably the only kind of girl he was used to. Also, in the PB article it quoted Freddie as saying, "I'd marry a whore in a minute."

I bet she was a hooker type since she was Kathys friend. I think she was the friend Kathy went into business with after quitting hooking.

Didn't realize Freddie was abused as a child. That's so sad. That may have contributed to his problems. I'm betting his parents didn't do it as they both seem like really nice people esp. his mom Maria. I'd sure love to know more about his abuse. Poor dear! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif
If anyone knows more, I'd sure love to know more!

Thanks to this place I have learned more about him & ay'll are helping me to grow closer to him every day. I never knew him but I feel like I do.

I know he wasn't like the sweet Chico & that was just good acting but still despite his ropugh background I think he was a very sweet person. From the way his Mama talked about him he sounds like a sweet person who went thru alot... Bless his heart!


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The abuse part is certainly a new one on me, and I really don't think that came from his mother. I will agree that he was a rough kid that made it big. Never having been a "young male" I am trying to understand how they think especially when it comes to sex. I once dated a guy who told me men like a whore in bed, but he never said anything about marrying one. It sounds to me the only thing really good that came from that relationship was Freddie Jr. There may have been some other things too. And, you are right, Croter, Freddie Prinze was definetly no Chico. He was just playing a character, and in my opion, a lot of people on this message board get that confused. Freddie never had the opportunity to grow older and mature. Whether male or female, our physical looks and feelings about sex at some point in time do fade or change a little, and he never experienced that. I miss Freddie to this day because we have all been cheated as to his talents and what he could have become. Chico and the Man was just a stepping stone if you will, but poor Freddie lived life like everyday was his last, and I think he also wanted everything last week. As we get older, we get a little more patient too. I hope some of my statements weren't out of line, but I am trying to get to know the real Freddie and not Chico.

Vicki39, I have always felt the same way you do about Freddie. He never had the chance to mature. David Brenner said Freddie was like a kid in a toy store who was told to pick any toy and all the toys he wanted. His meteoric rise to fame never allowed him to experience maturity. What a shame. All of your insights were great. Never feel bad about sharing here! We all have felt the same way. I may be as guilty as the next person to get the character confused with the person, sometimes, but we all have to be reminded of the truth, too. I do think there was a little Chico in Freddie, though. When you act,(or write!) you can't help to project a little of who you are into the part you play and that part can also infulence who you are, too! I'm not sure if I'm making sense here, but I did want to let you know you were not out of line! Far from it! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

Thanks Luckmama. I guess I am just so afraid of really talking about how I feel. I would not want to offend anyone on this message board. And, that certainly includes any relatives of the late Freddie Prinze. You never know who could be reading. That's why they call it the world-wide web, and it sure is a small world at times. I was a Freddie fan when he was alive, and I will be forever...

Yeah, I feel he never got the chance to live out his youth as he got thrown into an adults world at a teenage. In his moms book is a picof him in a tux with his first secretary & he looks so adult in it, much older than he really was. I think part of his problem was he wasn't given the chance to enjoy the rest of his youth being famous at such a young age.

I admit sometimes I tend to think of him as being like Chico & have to remind myself that he is differnt than Chico. I gotta agree with you, there must've been some Chico in him. He played it like he really felt & understood the role...

One thing about Freddie was that he was so gifted and talented. If only someone would've listened to him. I mean really listened to him. He worked too hard and he needed to rest. Someone should've stepped in and told him "No signing anything until you take some rest"! I know if it were me I would've tried to really help him.

In the PG interview he also made a statement about how men will take the starlet over the secretary~~good girl~~ anytime....

According to Maria's book, the girls Freddie dated before he became famous weren't hooker types. He might have come from a rough neighborhood, but I never got the impression that he liked bad types of girls. In the Playgirl article when Freddie mentioned the secretary types never being chosen over the startlets, didn't he mention that it was unfortunate? I thought so, but I might be wrong. I think Freddie was more like Chico than people think. He seemed to take good care of his Mom & Dad, etc. (like Chico looks after Ed. He seemed to be a very sensitive & emotional soul according to Maria's book, as well as a spiritual person. If he was so rough, etc. would he have wanted a family & baby and gotten married? I still think he put on more of a cover when he was interviewed in these articles.

I agree with ya. I think he was just trying to sound hip cuz he was in Hollywood. I think he dated nice girls...

I agree too! Freddie married Kathy and (he didn't really have to) but, he came from good parents and he believed in the institution. Some guys leave their gals if they find out they're pregnant. He didn't he did his duty! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

Another thing I remember Freddie being quoted as saying, was that he was not into "one night stands" when he dated women. I can't remember where I read this, I'll have to check Maria's book again. That statement alone is impressive, given his age and profession at the time. But this is also a guy who had thoughts of becoming a minister at one point! Minus his problems with drugs, etc. Freddie sounds like he was too good to be in Hollywood.

I agree with ya Peko. He sounds like a nice guy minute the drugs! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif I too read about him not wanting one nite stands & about him wanting to be a minister... From what I read he wanted to be a preacher if the comedy thing didn't work out. He was too nicefor Hollywood...