i have read the article. my, my, my.

Would you mind terribly posting some of it when you get a chance PLEASE!!!!

More, More, More! I'd love to see it. It's one issue I'd let my hubby keep if he had it. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/wink.gif

Hey Tracy,

What did you think of the article? Aren't there some quotes from a prior interview he gave? I remember the quotes being really raw, not at all like Freddie ...

But remember, he was just 21 or 22 maybe younger when he gave the interview...

Hey Tracey....congrats on the Playboy...Now you need to get the Playgirl for the interview....Really raw there too....No minced words either....

I read a Rolling Stone interview with Freddie when he was just 19. Freddie tended to be very different from Chico when he interviewed. I'm sure we'd all love to think he was as sweet, naive etc. as Chico but he obviously wasn't.

He was raw in his language and derogatory sometimes. I liken him to Eddie Murphy when he first started out. He was also 19.

I'm sure talking to Playboy and Playgirl, he wanted to appear tough and hip. Remember, he also worshipped Lenny Bruce who made his name with profanity and hard'edged dialogue.

The real Freddie was probably a combination!

Speaking of Lenny Bruce, does anyone know anything at all about Freddie's relationship with Lenny's daughter. What did she look like, where they very serious, what happened to their relationship, etc.

thanks chica, i can't wait to get my hands on the playgirl article.
thanks croiter, everything you said is 100% correct about the playboy article.
to catcopy, E! true hollywood just did the story on Lenny Bruce maybe 'bout a week ago. I did post it on here that it was coming on. i taped it but i have not watched it yet. i am not sure if freddie and kitty's relationship was serious or not. maybe E! true hollywood mentioned them when they featured freddie's story.
to cheryl, do you have an e-mail?????

Yep, I have an e-mail. It's cherylharrell@yahoo.nospam.com Remove the nospam to write as that is a spam blocker. I didn't list the e-mail on my profile just in case of spammers. I had to set the the AOL E-mail addy up where only certain folks could post to it cuz I got sooo much spam. Yuck!

My hubby said he thinks he recalls seeing that PLAYBOY & used to have it but sold it. Gee he sells the good issues & keeps the bad ones. LOL!

I found out something really neat! I read ont he internet that one of Chico-Freddie's last performances was at President Carters inaugeration. This was a big wow cuz my friend Arlo the singer got invited to Carters inaugeration & went to it. He tells this neat story of how Chip Carter tapped him on the shoulder & told him there was a record of his in the White House left over from the Nixton administration. I have a pic of Arlo from the Carter Inaugeration where h's wearing a 3 piece suit with a tie & is with his wife. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

Since Arlo was there same time as Freddie & has met & worked with someother famnouse stars I am wondering if he knew Freddie or had met him? I would LOVE to know. I want to ask him but there is one problem. If I start asking him about Freddie he'll want to know why & may suspect I'm starting to get into Chico-Freddie. If he finds out I'm starting to get into Chico-Freddie he's liable to get kinda jealous & feel hurt LOL! One time we told him that I am a big Monkees & he acted so hurt & looked like he was hurt & kinda jealous. He had this hurt look on his face. He knows I love him bestest & I think that's why he hurt so easily over it. I had to explain to him that I have been a Monkees fan for yrs before I ever knew him. Once I said that he wasn't as hurt. But if he finds out I'm discovering someone else after him he's gonna be sooo crushed. He forgets I love him bestest & am totally devoted to him & practically worship the ground he walks on LOL!

My hubby & I have asked him a few things about meeting stars & singing with them like asking him about the Monkees since I'm a big fan of theirs & about singing with Johnny Cash & Bob Dylan since my hubby loves them. But I haven't asked him too much abotu what stars he's met or sung with or who they are or what it's like being a famous star cuz I'm afraid he'll get the wrong idea & think I like him just cuz he's a star & I don't want him to think that. I lvoe him for himself, not cuz he's famous altho if he wasn't famous I'd have never known him.

Sadly he hasn't booked any shows anywhere near VA anytime for this yr. The only shows anywhere near VA is he is doing a show near Philly In Nov & we're going with a friend of his who lives 3 hrs north of us. We went with her to his show there last Nov & had a blast! He is coming to Ocean City, NJ in August & if his friend goes & we can hitch a ride with her we'll go. So I have until Aug tofigure out how to ask him about Freddie without arousing his suspicions. If he was a lady I wouldn't have this problem LOL! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/wink.gif

thank you cheryl, you may delete your e-mail.

Well Cheryl - You could tell Arlo you have a good friend by the name of JennyLee who knew Freddie and was wondering how he performed in the Inargural....... It's not a lie it's the truth! LOL http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Good idea! Or tell him my hubby wants to know. He adores my hubby fortunately which is great. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

Hey guys, since I am new here, I have a lot of territory to cover. Where can I find these Playboy or Playgirl articles. I would love to read them too. Could you guys post more of the things he said in the articles?? I love Chico, but I would like to get to know who the real Freddie was!

Freddie told a joke at the inagural that went like this:

Now that we have a new administration and a great new man as president, I think it's time to have a Puerto Rican astronaut.

You know why we never had a Puerto Rican astronaut? Because they were afraid that all the way to the moon we'd blow the horn, play the radio. Stick our head out the window, "Hey honey! Sweetheart! Hello mama!"

hi croiter,
i know you mentioned that person that married freddie was a prostitute, well this is what the playboy article says:
she had good body and decided to use it. she worked for three years as a prostitute at the mustang ranch, a legal brothel in nevada.

hi croiter here is what freddie said about the person he married in the playboy article:
at first, he told friends and the press that they had met in jackson hole, wyoming. later, he said lake tahoe and that she was a travel agent, then a cocktail waitress and, finally, an art-store employee. "two years ago," freddie later confided, "it would have mattered to me what her profession was, but now i don't give a f-ck.

and here is another one croiter,
"he began to tell friends he had made two mistakes. first jonas, and now kathy."

i will post more after i read more.

Who is Jonas? Just curious...

Isn't he the manager from New York?

Amen to that, horselover! I love my husband dearly, but if he were doing that many drugs I would take my kids and get outta there pronto! I would, however, try to get him some kind of professional help from a distance.

I agree. No woman should ever love any man more than she loves her child. Period. Kathy acted like a real woman, and a wonderful mother, when she gave up Freddie to protect her son. I adore Chico, and I wish something could have been done to save Freddie but there is no doubt in my mind that Kathy did the right thing for her child.
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Thanks for the posts, Tracy. Good work! That Playboy article took months to write and was well-researched, well-documented and as far as I know, nobody ever sued them for libel.

By the way, most women who get involved in prostitution have what's known as an anti-social personality disorder. That's usually a lifelong untreatable character disorder with symptoms that include lying, cheating and abusive behavior. We don't know what went on behind closed doors. Perhaps she needed help as badly as Freddie Sr.

And maybe she drove him to drugs and suicide. By the way, he shot himself on her birthday. Does that tell you something about the anger he must have felt toward her?

hey croiter,
I did more reading and I think you may find this interesting:
twenty-four hours after prinze was pronounced dead, kathy had agreed to nearly all the funeral arrangements. everyone had gathered at DeBlasio's house to work out the final details. komack and DeBlasio had made up a list of honorary pallbearers. DeBlasio wanted pryor, but kathy was adamant about not having any of "his kind" at the funeral. many of those at the house had just met kathy and some of them were beginning to understand, they later said, why freddie had always shielded his wife. DeBlasio tried to persuade her that freddie loved pryor. she wouldn't listen. finally, she agreed to a compromise: she'd allow sammy davis jr.(who hardly knew freddie) to attend. neither entertainer went to the services.

I don't know her, only what little I've read about her. So I can't really judge her. I did read somewhere yrs ago that he commited suicide cuz she divorced him & it hurt him so bad. I do feel if she hadn't left him but had stayed with him, he might've still been here today. On the other hand she did a good job in raising Jr. So many conflicting stories. It may be hard to tell what is truth & what isn't. Sad what happened to him. I wish he could've gotten help.

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Hey Tracy,

I remember that, too...I also remember a newspaper article where Feliciano Diaz (Freddie's parents' superintendent in NY) met Kathy and didn't like her because she seemed "too professional." Incidentally, Feliciano Diaz is the guy that Freddie got his trademark "Ees not my chob, man," from....

The merry go round about Kathy continues.... What is the public suppose to believe? That playboy article was well written. I surely don't believe everything I read but, it says she was a prostitute. She didn't sue the Playboy company for that! Croiter is right.... How come she didn't sue? She would've got plenty of MOOLAH! She didn't even have to pay the lawyers until they win the case. She would've been filthy rich!

hey jennylee,
no she did not sue because she knew it was TRUE. it would have been nice if she did sue, it would have taken all of the pressure off POOR freddie.
you are right jennylee. croiter is right, bright,and smart. well freddie had to take care of a prostitute. he had to work day and night.he worked sooo hard according to his mother and she would know. it would have been nice if he had a real woman to take care of him.

my next post will be based on what freddie's mother said about his wife.
she warned himmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Well her husband was dead because that article came out after his death. As for Freddie Jr. I can understand her taking care of her young son but, I'll be darn if they call me a prostitute and I keep my mouth shut! --- Don't get me wrong I'm not into Kathy bashing! I have applauded her for taking care of Freddie Jr. like she did. I'm just wondering how come it was said in the first place.

Tracy - I must hear it from MARY!!!!! Tell me!!!!! Mom knows!!!!!

hey jennylee, about taking care of "little freddie" (this is what maria calls him).
maria said: something else happened that difficult summer which contributed to freddie's hurt, his loneliness and his confusion. kathy had sent freddie jr. to stay with her own mother in albuquerque. our son came over to our home one day. i could see that he was very down. how is the baby?
i asked him. i was shocked when he said i don't know. he's with his grandmother. it makes me so depressed to come home and find his room empty.

it would have been nice if she had ask maria
if she would like to see or say goodbye to the baby.

Hey guys after re-reading parts of my book, the reason Freddie was working so hard was because he had huge legal bills to pay because he was being sued by Jonas... He flet he couldn't make any plans about his life...until the case was over...He had lots of money in escrow but he couldn't touch it..Others begged him not to quit Jonas after he signed the contract..but he wouldn't listen...Then Kathy had a daytime maid..then she wanted a live-in maid...give me a break!!!! He niver should have looked at her much less married her...but thats what happened..... He had conflicting emotions wanting to be married to her but wanting the freedom of a bachelor...His mother warned him to go slow with this...so he wouldn't get hurt...I wonder what she is really all about..the book never really states whether Mary and Karl go to spend any time with Freddie Jr....I wonder?

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Originally posted by Tracy-Prinze:
hey jennylee, about taking care of "little freddie" (this is what maria calls him).
maria said: something else happened that difficult summer which contributed to freddie's hurt, his loneliness and his confusion. kathy had sent freddie jr. to stay with her own mother in albuquerque. our son came over to our home one day. i could see that he was very down. how is the baby?
i asked him. i was shocked when he said i don't know. he's with his grandmother. it makes me so depressed to come home and find his room empty.

it would have been nice if she had ask maria
if she would like to see or say goodbye to the baby.

Aww, that is so sad she didn't let him see the baby. I could tell by seeing some old pics of him with the baby that he loved the baby sooo much.

Today in BOOKS-A-MILLION I saw in the cheapo books section a book on stars that had died & how they died & it had Freddie in it with a pic of him & a write up on it with it. Nice pic. Anyway, it said that before he died NBC had had him sign a contract to be on the show for the next 5 years & get paid 6 million. Had he lived we would've gotten to see him 5 more years & he would've been rich! So sad he never got to see any of that. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif Hubby said he might get the book next week. It's only $9.97...

Edited for those pesky spelling errors!

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this is my second time posting this so it may show up else where oh well.
WELCOME TO TRACY'S SCHOOL OF FINDING "PROOF"
To:Horselover,
first of all my response was to jennylee.
how do you know she was not there? were you
there? do YOU have first hand knowledge that
she did not? you are sooooooooo pro kathy now
"that's scary". to settle the score, for you
to find Your proof. your lesson begins here.

first get your PI license
travel to nevada to the ranch,
get alllllllllll the files on her clients,
she worked there for 3 years so I suggest you
get started now on your journey. and report
back to the board with "your" proof. you can
do better than this, get it from the "horses
mouth" to get you going in the right direction the name of her 3 year employment
is the "mustang ranch" you got tracy's special "free lesson" http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

regarding me spreading rumors, I am NOT playboy magazine!

hurry up now and get to nevada and back so I
can give you a grade. with your "proof"

Gee I wish I could have a daytime maid! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/wink.gif Sounds like she wanted to live a high & mighty Hollywood life. I don't know her so I have no idea what was going on in her mind...

to cheryl and jennylee,

it was so sad to read where he was telling
his mother, "I can't afford a 24-hour maid
right now" something else he said, "I am a simple person I just expect my wife to be there when I come home to relax. I'm doing my best, but I cannot fight every night." I
could see he was angry inside and he was losing weight. he told me that some nights he'd just leave the house and drive into the
mountains in the dark and shoot his gun into the air just to relieve his tensions. why are the nights so short for me.

to cheryl and jennylee,
here is more:
on the 27th of september, freddie called me. "the live-in maid is coming today. help me bring a few things over to your place". "how much do you have"? he gave me quite a list. we put his things in both karl's car and mine. "I'll come home with you because I want you to make me something to eat," freddie said.

another thing that made me cry: he went to his father room and talked to karl alone."pa, I want to tell you a secret. I have been bleeding inside. but please don't tell ma. I don't want to worry her".

he did not go to the doctor, because he had a
very busy work schedule to pay for kathy's demands.

It's so sad & heartbreaking. On todays CATM I missed Chico so much. Della mentions he's in Mexico but he's not. He'll never come back. Salvador is on there today & all that made me miss him so much & get sad. On a more upbeat note Pat Buttram who played Mr. Haney on Greeen Acres & Petticoat Junction was on there & was a real hoot as he always is.

Sounds like Chico-Freddies wife may have been the cause of some of his problems. Reading the excerpts ya'll posted from the books, it's so sad... :'(



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This is making me literally nauseous. There is nothing that gets to me more than self-righteous, holier-than-thou, judgemental, bigoted hypocrites. To have that much hate and anger towards someone you have never met, over someone you never met, sounds to me like you have some serious issues. We cannot go around judging others as if we have no faults ourselves. I'm sure there could be many nasty things said behind your back, as well as behind mine, but that doesn't make either of us less than a human being, and deserving of anything less than what everyone wants--a little respect. People screw up. People make bad choices in life. People marry the wrong people. Some women leave their husbands to protect their children. And some women sacrifice their child's happiness, mental health, and sometimes even life, just to hold on to their "man". Guess which one I have more respect for?
Get off your soapbox and take a look at the real world. We all screw up--but we have a chance to make better choices, and Kathy made the right choice for her son.
I just hope people around you are a little more understanding about the bad choices you make in life.
"Horselover"--thanks for being the lone voice of reason!

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Now this is really getting ridiculous. All because a little playboy article......... Sure we "All" make mistakes we're only human. We're only COMMENTING on what we've read! There's 2 sides to every story but, we're commenting on what the article said.... If Kathy doesn't like it "Tell her to write a book" & set the record straight!!!!! I would buy it!!! Mary wrote a book. If I didn't know better I would think that you're the "real Kathy" and not saying it! Don't bash us because we're the innocent parties in this Kathydrama...............

According to the E! True Hollywood Story, Freddie and Kathy were living together a month after they met. Would anyone here be inclined to say that you can know someone well enough in a month to be sure you're in love with them? I don't mean in lust or infatuated--I mean in love enough to spend the rest of your life taking the good and the bad equally?

Mariposa--My cousin and his wife became engaged less than a month after they met. They've been married more than 6 years now! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Does anyone know how Kathy was portrayed in Can You Hear the Laughter? I saw the movie a long time ago and I don't remember.

JennyLee, send me an e-mail, I want to talk with you privately

By the way, Kathy did not have "tons" of cash. Freddie's death left his family in debt. In addition to the lawsuit from Jonas, he was out $6 million he would have made in the 5-year Chico deal. Also, the family did sue Kroger and the insurance company -- they only got $250,000 in insurance money. So if Kathy was hurting for cash, and if she had a case against Playboy, she certainly would have sued them for libel

"JUDGE TRACY" here is some more to make you nauseous.
to starshine: people judge all the time no matter if they like you or not, if people say nasty things about me I do not care. I am
very sure they talk about you also. yes you are right people screw up, kathy and her johns were doing at lot of that. freddie was a human being also, you said kathy made the right choice? taking little freddie to new mexico without maria saying and kissing the baby goodbye was my point. soapbox? you need to get out the soapboxessssssssssssssss. so that you may see clear, your eyes are full of bubbles. kathy is the one with serious issues, maybe that explains her 3 marriages,
maybe more!

horselover,
playboy, kathy, and all of her johns know about the mustang ranch, that's why. you need to go back and re-read carefully now, you are the one that wanted to be shown the proof. so I told you how to get your proof.
I did not say I had seen the files, that's why you need to re-read. you mentioned any book written on the life and times of freddie.
and you are asking a question "who's to say what you read is 100% accurate?" and you said am I getting "second hand" views. are you saying that his mother the woman that had him is not 100% accurate, and is second hand? this is the book I have that is written about the life and times of freddie.
you are correct this is a "PUBLIC FORUM" you are the one that ask me questions. you ask me public, I answered you public. the name kathy p. Mmm.... so her 3rd husband last name
must start with a p. Mmm. very interesting.
Mmm. a real woman would have gotten him real help instead of spending his money that he did not have.

see you are wasting your time and mine, on this board when you should be riding your horse to get the proof you said "you" need. I am so glad you have company, now you can get the proof faster. "saddle up".

I was mistaken. They did sue Kroger.

Now admit that you're mistaken about every other post you've made.

By the way, horsesucker, I said I was UNSURE if they sued Kroger. Key word: UNSURE.

And Get out of my garage!

I think it is so sad that someone as beautiful as Freddie is generating so much hate between people. I would like to think that it would make him sad the way people are trashing each other here. I don't want to fight with you, Tracey. I would like to think that we could get along for Freddie's sake. I try to keep my mouth shut, but it just makes me want to cry when I see so much hate in Freddie's name, and directed towards someone that Freddie loved, someone who obviously did an excellent job raising Freddie's son to be someone he would be proud of. I can say it a hundred times and it won't make a difference to you, but I'll say it again--Kathy made mistakes. She shouldn't have taken Jr. away without a word to Marie, that must have broken her heart. But it was just that, a mistake, and she doesn't deserve to be vilified for it. As far as proving if she was a prostitute or not, I don't care if she was a prostitute! Obviously, in spite of whatever personality flaws you say that proves about her, she was able to put all of that behind her and raise a decent human being to carry on Freddie's name. Much as EVERYONE here would like to, we cannot change what happened to Freddie. But we can look at what good there is today, namely his son, and we must give credit where credit is due. If Kathy is that screwed up, she couldn't have raised Jr. to be who he is today. I'm just really sorry that you carry so much hate inside of you that you can't see that. It makes me sad.

OWWWWWWW

My head hurts!!!



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He made the sky turn green, he made the grass turn red, he even put pretty hair on Grandma's bald head

I agree with Moon. OOOWWWW

OK--I feel sort of out of place here, because I don't have a lot of good information to share, but...this thread has been very interesting!! I don't get the feeling that anyone hates anyone else; just a lot of spirited conversation going on! There's always more than one side to a story; especially with people's private lives that happened over 20 years ago. Facts can get distorted. Freddie probably didn't think people would give a rat's behind over these things in the year 2001! See what an influence you have over us, Freddie? http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/wink.gif

Yep, OWWW! I'd sure love to know the whole true story. I didn't know either of them personally so all I know is what I've read. It is sad she didn't let Freddies Mother see the baby. I bet that hurt her & Freddie too. So sad what happened to Freddie. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif


It would be interesting if Kathy wrote a book. Actually I'd love to see a biography on him & a whole book on the show with all the details & info on the show in it & lots of pics esp of Chico! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

My last time replying to you horselover,
you did not have to go there about freddie's "beloved mother" to say that she is not 100% accurate about her son and the things she wrote in her book. you are the one that is confused and i mean very confused.
I thought you were gone by now. you still here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
talking about freddie's mother did it for me.
i don't mind you bashing me because i think you know by now i don't back down but your statement on his mother put an end to me replying to you. you are not worth it.

to starshine,
thank you for your pleasant reply. that is all it took from day one. so we may start over again. i had to defend myself.

yeah, Tracy, I agree with you. No sense arguing with a wall

Hey all,,,,You know its true, Maria and Karl did not move out west right away with freddie...He was out there about a year alone...doing all sorts of things....Maria did not know and could not have known what he was doing out there...He was into cocaine in just a short time....because he could afford it and all were doing it..poor judgement but, he was young and couldn't think for himself...too young to know better...Very closed mouthed about his private life...he wanted Kathy to have a baby before he married her...just 3 months after meeting her...He was never content always looking for something I guess he thought Kathy and a baby would bring him that..whatever he was looking for... Keep reading out there it gets better and a whole lot sadder!!!

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Originally posted by croiter:
yeah, Tracy, I agree with you. No sense arguing with a wall

Finally........... The wall has been shut!

Let me try that again...Yes the book is accurate it has to be but maria was not always there..in LA...Just trying to clear that up!!