Some seem to think so and it looks like it's still Up In The Air.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senators-reintroduce-bill-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-2023-03-02/

The thing I have always hated most about DST are the time changes. So on the one hand, I feel making it universal is a good move. On the other hand, criticisms of DST in the winter months have validity.

Personally, I'd prefer year round standard time. The folks who want to get up early to enjoy the longer days, "let em", but why force everyone to dance to their music?

I hate moving the clocks, but I also hate driving thru states who refuse to comply with DST and trying to figure out what time it is :crazy:

I always understood it was only Hawaii and Arizona who do not change, they stay on Standard Time always..... You are saying other states don't change? I'm home mostly and when DST comes around here in CA I don't change my clocks. I know what time it is for my life. I'd vote for DST as the constant.

Im not ready for the year long DST at all but I can imagine DST continue as the tradition for mainly Spring & Summer Months. The last time DST ended on final Sunday of October each year was 17 years ago.

https://www.calendar-365.com/holidays/daylight-saving-%28start%29.html
https://www.iweathernet.com/educational/history-of-daylight-saving-time-dst

Im not ready for the year long DST at all but I can imagine DST continue as the tradition for mainly Spring & Summer Months. The last time DST ended on final Sunday of October each year was 17 years ago.

https://www.calendar-365.com/holidays/daylight-saving-%28start%29.html
https://www.iweathernet.com/educational/history-of-daylight-saving-time-dst

Wonder why "you are not readY" for a year of DST? ummm

Just realiing that this time change started in 1918 and has been going on forever....so we who done the time changing have no idea what it's like to live with just one time, unless we live in Hawaii or Arizona.

BTW: It's this Sunday that the clocks change again to DST.

Indiana used to not observe the time change. But that meant we were with Ohio part of the year and with Illinois part of the year, which was strange. I would like daylight savings time made permanent, but only if it were national.

Does anyone live near a Time Zone border? As in going to Walmart is going an hour ahead or behind?

One good thing is that in my stupid home state, bars have to close at 3 AM, but in Fall when the clock goes back, it is one more hour of drinking!

Does anyone live near a Time Zone border?!

Location nearer one end of a time zone can certainly shape your experiences with it.

LA, nearer the east boundary of the Pacific time zone than it is to the west, during the dead of winter your street street lights coming on at 4:30-4:45 in the afternoon....and that gets depressing. Knowing it will already be dark before you get off work.

Where I am now, we have just the opposite, nearer the western bounds of the eastern time zone......and in late June early July it's not uncommon to see residual daylight in the sky at 10:10 PM. Which just seems wrong.

Qualifier, our physical location, geographically we should be in the Central Time zone, but through political manipulations we moved to the Eastern zone years ago to appease special interests. I think rightly from an astronomical view, the boundary separating the Eastern Zone from the Central should be about 125 miles east of here.

Location nearer one end of a time zone can certainly shape your experiences with it.

LA, nearer the east boundary of the Pacific time zone than it is to the west, during the dead of winter your street street lights coming on at 4:30-4:45 in the afternoon....and that gets depressing. Knowing it will already be dark before you get off work.

"LA"?

"LA"?

LA's fine, the sun shines most the time

LA's fine, the sun shines most the time

(does not know this "LA")

Los Angeles

Here are the sunrise and sunset times for the month of December

https://www.sunrisesunsettime.org/north-america/united-states/los-angeles-december.htm

And I can recall walking out to my car after work, just a little after 5 pm, and it being night time already

I have a crazy idea, why don't we just leave it the way it is! If we stay at DSL, in the late fall and early winter kids will be waiting at bus stops and walking to school in the dark of night, why is that a good thing?

the late fall and early winter kids will be waiting at bus stops and walking to school in the dark of night, why is that a good thing?

That is the conventional argument....certainly has some merit

But there are just some meddlesome people who just can't be happy unless they are interfering in the lives of everyone around them, they are to blame ;)

That is the conventional argument....certainly has some merit

But there are just some meddlesome people who just can't be happy unless they are interfering in the lives of everyone around them, they are to blame ;)

You and all of us know NOTHING about what has been going on with this time change stuff since it was initiated in l918. Going with one System would certainly let everything run smoother....just one thing would be peoples' med schedules would not have to be worked on and changed when the System changes..... I know this one as I have a schedule for some pain stuff every 6 hrs at the same times and as it is NOW, I don't change my home clocks....


On one of the posts above, a member talked about time changes in different states that he drove thru, well there are 4 time zones as I see it: Atlantic, Central, Mountain and Pacific...and if we drive thru the states we deal with the zones.

You and all of us know NOTHING about what has been going on with this time change stuff since it was initiated in l918. .

Well Caroline, I may know a little more than nothing. :)

It was part of my job to coordinate the control of facility lighting with computerized equipment, so I was in a position to have to know certain fundamentals. And being the obsessive, naturally curious sort of person I am, I may have read a chapter or two beyond what was minimally necessary.

And then there is the politics that has sought to corrupt the science, ever since.

Back in the good old days, time of day was determined by local solar noon. With the advent of the railroads, a more coordinated "standardized" time was implemented so that schedules would be meaningful.

I know that at one time Indiana was in the Central time zone where it rightly belongs, but was moved to the eastern by meddlesome busybodies who had the notion that being in sync with New York City was best for them, and decided to drag the rest of us along with them. :)

Because of the tampering, Indiana already is effectively "one hour ahead" of where we should rightly be, so a permanent boost to year round DST will put us two hours ahead of the sun during the winter

Well, did you ALL know this?


Daylight saving time, suggested by President Roosevelt, was imposed to conserve fuel, and could be traced back to World War I, when Congress imposed one standard time on the United States to enable the country to better utilize resources, following the European model.


https://www.defense.gov/News/Feature-Stories/story/Article/1779177/daylight-saving-time-once-known-as-war-time/

The United States has 6 TIME ZONES not 4: Easter, Central, Mountain, Pacific, Alaska and Hawaii

There are no states that observe AST (Atlantic Standard Time); here is more information:wave:


AST (https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zones/ast)


Me, personally, I would be completely fine if they decided to get rid of Daylight Saving Time.

I have a crazy idea, why don't we just leave it the way it is! If we stay at DSL, in the late fall and early winter kids will be waiting at bus stops and walking to school in the dark of night, why is that a good thing?

I agree. There is no need to have DST year around. It will be dangerous for kids and many people will have to head out to work still in the dark. I know a lot of people already do that, but it's stupid to increase "rush hour" traffic while it's still dark.

One thing we know here in Indiana is there's a ton of debate on time, with much of this state being in kind of a no man's land between the Eastern and Central time zones. At present we are on Eastern time. CST in the dead of winter would give us sunsets around 4:15; with EST we get sunrises close to 8:00. With year-round DST that sunrise would be close to 9.

Compounding this time problem was the fact that, for several years, the areas of this state on Eastern time did not observe DST. All in all, a confusing mess.

Some seem to think so and it looks like it's still Up In The Air.I hope it is,the whole idea is stupid!!

China has one time zone. Which is something I have never understood really for a country so large. My only guess is that the government wants all of its instutions operating at the same time. Imagine that the entire continental United States was on Washington DC time.

In 2008, I went to Xinjiang and went to Kashgar, the most western city in China in the summer, and the sun was up until 11 PM. I joked that it was now "Nine in the afternoon." The people living there even have an unofficial time which is two hours behind Beijing time. As a matter of fact, the biggest discrepentcy of time is crossing from China to Afghanistan, Afghanistan is 3 1/2 hours behind. Also, one can actually travel EAST and go back an hour (from China to Vietnam).

Daylight Savings Time is dumb and no one really knows why it exists anymore. It does not have to do with the farmers. Whatever the time is in the Spring and Summer should be the time the year around. But the whole losing or gaining an hour isnt such a big deal either.

Sometimes its hard to distinguish if the proponents of DST are sincere, or dishonest.

One argument I hear often is that it will "save energy".....citing factories that can operate making use of daylight instead of artificial lighting. But when those factories are operating 3 shifts, where is the actual benefit?

I heard the actual truth behind forcing Indiana to observe DST was because headquarters offices of many factories operating in Indiana were located in New York (which already was a DST state) and the executives in HQ found it inconvenient to have their indiana subordinates "out of sync" with the grand Poobah. But the "saves energy" mantra just sells better, so that was their alibi.

The nonsense of that is, I worked for a nationwide company for years, and dealing with HQ in one time zone, with me in another.....was manageable. I can remember being summonsed into conference calls with a shopping cart full of groceries at the supermarket at 7:00PM......not an ideal situation, but manageable.

For me, the time changes have never bother me. I enjoy switching back and forth. It is lighter early in the morning in the winter and lighter in the early evening in the summer.

This has been thrown about for decades. I Hope it all goes to One Time Zone. SOON, The next admin is talking AGAIN to do IT,,,,


https://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/

:eek:

My thought is no. There are a lot of people who like the later day daylight in the warmer months.

The article frames it as whether the new President will choose to do so. The Congress would have to pass legislation to do it.

No, DST should never end

Well then what about ONE TIME ZONE ALWAYS??????

Arizona and Hawaii stay with one.

I dread the November thru March cold, dark dreary months......and more so since I've gotten older.....

Yes its amzing no one has ever challenged that!

The US Tried Permanent Daylight Saving Time in the ’70s. People Hated It

Now as the idea of permanent daylight saving time has gained some political momentum, it’s probably worth a look back to another period when the US tinkered with time.

Stop Making Us Change Our Clocks!

Congress had voted on December 14, 1973, to put the US on daylight saving time for two years. President Nixon signed the bill the next day. The US had gone to permanent daylight saving time before, during World War II. Then, too, the measure was enacted to save fuel.

Permanent DST wasn’t close to the wackiest idea about time floating around—Paul Mullinax, a geographer who worked at the Pentagon, came up with the idea of putting the
continental US on a single time zone. “USA Time”
would apply from Bangor to Barstow, eliminate jet lag, and standardize TV schedules.

His idea even got traction in Congress, via a bill from US Representative Patsy Mink of Hawaii. “The human being is a very adaptive animal,” he said. “There is no reason we have to be a slave to the sun.”

And yet the early-morning darkness quickly proved dangerous for children:
A 6-year-old Alexandria girl was struck by a car on her way to Polk Elementary School on January 7; the accident broke her leg.
Two Prince George’s County students were hurt in February.
In the weeks after the change, eight Florida kids were killed in traffic accidents.

Florida’s governor, Reubin Askew, asked for Congress to repeal the measure. “It’s time to recognize that we may well have made a mistake,” US Senator Dick Clark of Iowa said during a speech in Congress on January 28, 1974. In the Washington area, some schools delayed their start times until the sun caught up with the clock.

The factual picture was a bit more complicated. The National Safety Council reported in February that pre-sunrise fatalities had risen to 20 from 18 the year before. In July, Roger Sant, then an assistant administrator-designate for the Federal Energy Administration, wrote a letter to the Post that noted a 1 percent energy saving achieved by going to DST equated to 20,000-30,000 tons of coal not being burned each day. Further, he wrote, accidents had fallen in the afternoons.

By August, though, as the Watergate scandal caused the Nixon administration to crumble, the country was ready to move on from its clock experiments.
While 79 percent of Americans approved of the change in December 1973, approval had dropped to 42 percent three months later, the New York Times reported.
Seven days after President Nixon resigned, US Senator Bob Dole of Kansas introduced an amendment in August that would end the DST experiment.
It passed.
A similar bill passed the House.
In late September, the full Congress passed a bill that would restore standard time on October 27. President Ford signed it on October 5. Energy savings, a House panel noted, “must be balanced against a majority of the public’s distaste for the observance of Daylight Saving Time.”

https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/03/15/the-us-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-70s-people-hated-it/

Not only was Dick Clark a great Pyramid host and American Bandstand host, who knew he was also a Senator? :D

Not only was Dick Clark a great Pyramid host and American Bandstand host, who knew he was also a Senator? :D


I know - YOU KNOW it was not the same Dick Clark. :lol: :lol:


For those who don't know ---
Senator Iowa Democrat Dick Clark was known for helping
Vietnam War refugees ...