I was wondering what you guys thought was the actor that ruined the most series they were on? I know Ted Mcginley is right up with sinking the love boat, ruining the happy days, and sopping up what was left of married with children, but who else? I think I would have to say close is Gregory Sierra. He ruined SOAP, with awful El Puerco, was bad on Sanford and Son as Julio, and was not funny on Barny Miller either. Do these characters ruin the shows themselves or just have the bad luck to come into a series that was fading anyway, jumping on a sinking ship so to speak.

Many feel Roseanne ruined her sitcom during the last season by making the family win the lottery and by her writing some of the episodes from the last season. When she isn't a good sitcom writer.

I agree and so do most people who liked Roseanne. It was losing steam before that but that last season was just unwatchable!

For this post, if you can't think of a particular actor that hurt a series, think of a specific plotline that hurt it like w/g fanatic did Roseanne.

I think the Queen of actresses who ruins sitcoms is Allison LaPlaca. She starred in Duets, Open House, The Jackie Thomas Show, Tom and The John Larroquette Show.She also had a brief run on Friends as Rachel's boss. The reason she didn't curse that show is because the writers killed off her character.;)

It's not fair becuz he was just a kid, but the first thing that popped into my head when I read the question was the kid who played Cousin Oliver on the final season of "The Brady Bunch", Robbie Rist. He also ended up playing Ted and Georgette's son on MTM--of course he didn't ruin that show, but he always seemed so annoying to me.

What about Paula Marshall?

Ted M.: TV King Of Losers

Originally posted by Will and Grace Fanatic
Many feel Roseanne ruined her sitcom during the last season by making the family win the lottery and by her writing some of the episodes from the last season. When she isn't a good sitcom writer.


I love Roseannes last season it was funny. I don't think she ruined her show at all imo.

Originally posted by Silver Daze



I love Roseannes last season it was funny. I don't think she ruined her show at all imo.

I thought the last season of Roseanne was good. But many viewers felt the good humor the show had was gone. That was why it was nearly cancelled in its last season. In the middle of the last season that is. But I personally felt it was an ok season.

Jason Marsteirs or whatever his last name is ruined Step by Step. Rich just plain sucked, imo

Originally posted by JT
Jason Marsteirs or whatever his last name is ruined Step by Step. Rich just plain sucked, imo

I couldn't agree more. Also I didn't think he was a good boyfriend for Dana.

Originally posted by JT
Jason Marsteirs or whatever his last name is ruined Step by Step. Rich just plain sucked, imo

Really? I wanted Rich and Dana to get together.They were complete opposites.Still surprised there was no "Rich & Dana" show!

Originally posted by JT
Jason Marsteirs or whatever his last name is ruined Step by Step. Rich just plain sucked, imo

The name is Jason Marsden, JT.

<http://us.imdb.com/Name?Marsden,+Jason>

Originally posted by James


The name is Jason Marsden, JT.

<http://us.imdb.com/Name?Marsden,+Jason>

Okay, I've got a question. This is a bit off topic for this thread, but I'm wondering about this Jason Marsden guy. I used to watch Step by Step a long time ago. I think I stopped watching before Jason came in the show. What is it about him that destroyed the show? Did his acting suck? Was the character badly done? The reason I'm asking is because Jason will be in the Batman reunion movie, so if his acting sucks in general I can be prepared for his bad portrayal of Burt Ward. jw

Okay, I've got a question. This is a bit off topic for this thread, but I'm wondering about this Jason Marsden guy. I used to watch Step by Step a long time ago. I think I stopped watching before Jason came in the show. What is it about him that destroyed the show? Did his acting suck? Was the character badly done? The reason I'm asking is because Jason will be in the Batman reunion movie, so if his acting sucks in general I can be prepared for his bad portrayal of Burt Ward. jw[QUOTE]


Well i dont know if it was HIM exactly. That just seems to be the point that is used as the decline of the show.

(ok... really realy old topic...) Ummm.... well... I actually think that Jean Luc on SBS in the 6th season was annoying sometimes... IMO, I loved Jason Marsden (Rich) a lot! I'm not really good at pickin out good and bad actors but I still thought we was good... why does everyone hate him?

I disagree about Ted McGinley those shows were on their last legs when he joined anyways, I think most Happy Days and Love Boat fans would agree with me.

I love Jason Marsden IMO he was one of the best things about SBS, he was also on Boy Meets World, he didn't ruin either show IMO ;)

I can't think of anyone who's been on alot of shows that some could say they ruined the show. All I can think of is cousin Pam on the Cosby Show and Raven on the Cosby IMO the show was dead in the water after they joined

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
I disagree about Ted McGinley those shows were on their last legs when he joined anyways, I think most Happy Days and Love Boat fans would agree with me.

I love Jason Marsden IMO he was one of the best things about SBS, he was also on Boy Meets World, he didn't ruin either show IMO ;)

I can't think of anyone who's been on alot of shows that some could say they ruined the show. All I can think of is cousin Pam on the Cosby Show and Raven on the Cosby IMO the show was dead in the water after they joined

Ted McGinley is the sitcom serial killer.
He did kill HD.

As for TCS, yes, that is a perfect example of a show that was still going strong, until somebody new came along.
(no wonder that was the year it stopped being #1 in the ratings.... you put two and two together)

Originally posted by barwars
Ted McGinley is the sitcom serial killer.
He did kill HD.

As for TCS, yes, that is a perfect example of a show that was still going strong, until somebody new came along.
(no wonder that was the year it stopped being #1 in the ratings.... you put two and two together)

Seriously wasn't HD already on it's last legs anyways? Ron Howard and Don Most were gone, the show even though I hate the term Jumped the Shark when they left, so really I don't see how we can blame him. Plus he was on Married With Children and it went on what 5 or 6 more years after he joined(I hated the Steve character)

Yeah you're so right, Pam and Olivia weren't really needed on TCS. I read somewhere when a show is running out of steam they add a child or tons of new characters

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
Yeah you're so right, Pam and Olivia weren't really needed on TCS. I read somewhere when a show is running out of steam they add a child or tons of new characters

But that's what was different about TCS.... it was the number one show, there was no need to bring in new characters, everything was going fine.

They toyed with the formula, and killed it.

I think, in most instances, whenever a child is brought onto a show, it spells doom.

Originally posted by Brian Damage
She also had a brief run on Friends as Rachel's boss. The reason she didn't curse that show is because the writers killed off her character.;)

You know, I always thought it was so funny that they made the effort to kill off Allison LaPlaca's character, when usually they just write a supporting character out if they're not funny.

Although I didn't think she was that bad on "Friends." Maybe because she had some great lines. "I brought you a muffin." "Thanks, I'll keep it in my butt with your nose."

did McGinley really kill Married With Children? it ran 6 or 7 seasons after Ted came onboard.

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
did McGinley really kill Married With Children? it ran 6 or 7 seasons after Ted came onboard.

I don't think he did, and I say he doesn't ruin shows cause MWC ran so long after he joined it, plus Hope and Faith is basically a hit too :)

Paula Marshall is the female Ted McGinley.

Look up her name on the IMDB. She appeared on many shows that were soon cancelled after her guest stint, plus she has a list of short lived series a mile long.

Originally posted by Riff
Michael Michele ruins everything she touches. I don't even think acting lessons will help this lost cause.

Her looks work against her for the types of shows she has appeared in. She was totally miscast in Homocide. Bumper Robinson is another one who has had very bad times in shows, I wouldn't say the shows jump because of him, but he has had too many shows on his resume that were cancelled shortly after he came along.

I agree with Raven on Cosby Show (she didn't help Hangin With Mr Cooper either- that show would have been better if Dawnn Lewis had stayed for the five years). I didn't mind Pam and her friends so much as others here though. Generally when a show adds a child in its later years its because the show is dying out. I can't think of a single kid added into a show in later seasons who actually made the show better. Some kids come in because the actress is pregnant but they don't give the kid a big part like the kids on Roseanne, but when a kid shows up just for the sake of being a cute distraction its never a good thing.

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
I disagree about Ted McGinley those shows were on their last legs when he joined anyways, I think most Happy Days and Love Boat fans would agree with me.

I agree there. Ted came to LB in 1984 (directly after HD was cancelled), and by that time, the show was losing some of its steam. The next season, Fred Grandy left and they added all the Love Boat Mermaids. That pretty much marked the end of the show.

He was a part of the "Dynasty" cast (he joined in 1986, directly after LB's cancellation) for a season, but the show ran two more seasons after he left. And his character is one of the favorites, from what I've read...

Originally posted by CrazieIsha
(ok... really realy old topic...) Ummm.... well... I actually think that Jean Luc on SBS in the 6th season was annoying sometimes... IMO, I loved Jason Marsden (Rich) a lot! I'm not really good at pickin out good and bad actors but I still thought we was good... why does everyone hate him?

I Sure as heck dont!

Jason Marsden is my favorite actor. :D

Originally posted by barwars
Ted McGinley is the sitcom serial killer.
He did kill HD.

Ted McGinley made Happy Days BETTER!

Originally posted by dawsongirl
What about Paula Marshall?

Definitely!

Also, Debi Mazar ruined Working

but the top winner is rena sofer!

Originally posted by Madness
Definitely!

Also, Debi Mazar ruined Working

but the top winner is rena sofer!

:confused: Rena Sofer? :confused: She's only been in 1 series

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
:confused: Rena Sofer? :confused: She's only been in 1 series

No she's been in quiet a lot more than that:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0812133/

Alot of her shows do get cancelled, but I love her anyway...

Originally posted by flimdar
No she's been in quiet a lot more than that:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0812133/

Alot of her shows do get cancelled, but I love her anyway...

Yeah as a guest star, not as the star, she was only on coupling as a star :)

I always heard Alison LaPlaca was the female Ted McGinley, and Jumptheshark.com agrees. Perhaps there are (ouch) multiple female Teds?

Originally posted by CrazieIsha
(ok... really realy old topic...) Ummm.... well... I actually think that Jean Luc on SBS in the 6th season was annoying sometimes...

I, for one, liked the Jean Luc character on SBS. Jean Luc was played by Bronson Pinchot, famous for his role as Balki Bartokomous on Perfect Strangers, one of the best shows ever made. :) Seeing him was like watching Perfect Strangers again, even though there was no Mark Linn-Baker/Larry Appleton. :D I was bummed when he was let go from SBS after a year. :crying:

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
Yeah as a guest star, not as the star, she was only on coupling as a star :)

What about "The Chronicle"???

Originally posted by flimdar
What about "The Chronicle"???

Hmmm I hadn't heard of that one. :)

Originally posted by James
I, for one, liked the Jean Luc character on SBS. Jean Luc was played by Bronson Pinchot, famous for his role as Balki Bartokomous on Perfect Strangers, one of the best shows ever made. :) Seeing him was like watching Perfect Strangers again, even though there was no Mark Linn-Baker/Larry Appleton. :D I was bummed when he was let go from SBS after a year. :crying: Did he appear in the last season of Step By Step when it jumped from ABC to CBS along with Family Matters??? Seems as though I saw him in some CBS episodes.

Originally posted by BravesFan2004
Did he appear in the last season of Step By Step when it jumped from ABC to CBS along with Family Matters??? Seems as though I saw him in some CBS episodes.

I think he was only in the 6th Season. Cause they brought back Sasha Mitchell as Cody in the last Season. If I'm remembering this right.

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
I think he was only in the 6th Season. Cause they brought back Sasha Mitchell as Cody in the last Season. If I'm remembering this right.

Cody only came back for one episode.

And No, Jean Luc wasnt in the last season.

Originally posted by Matt Camden
Cody only came back for one episode.

And No, Jean Luc wasnt in the last season.

:lol: thanks, I couldn't remember, I thought Cody was in more episodes the last season

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
Yeah as a guest star, not as the star, she was only on coupling as a star :)

Not true...she starred in Coupling, she joined Just Shoot Me & Oh Grow Up...that was all in the past few years,too! IMDB lists other series, too but these are the shows I remember her in. She's in a new one, Blind Justice on ABC so expect that one not to last long. Not that she's bad but all her series never make it for some odd reason. But face it, she's not been lucky so far. One day she's gotta get lucky..when? who knows...hopefully soon, though. I must admit she was good on General Hospital, though.

Anne Meara and Jm J. Bullock ruined ALF. I could not stand that show in its last season. The addition of those two actors ruined the balance of the show.

Jm J. Bullock ruined Too Close for Comfort. The character of Monroe Ficus was overbearing and overkill. The show started off good but when adding Monroe it was hard to watch.

June Lockhart did not help Petticoat Junction after the death of Bea Benederet. The show should had been cancelled after her passing but they were beating a dead horse by adding June Lockhart to replace Bea. The show was Bea and it should had ended there. Bea's passing left a huge hole in the show. I hate watching the later episodes without her. The season that she started getting sick you can tell her health was not at her best.

Steven Anthony Lawrence (Beans) ruined "Even Stevens (http://www.tvtome.com/EvenStevens/)".

I was wondering what you guys thought was the actor that ruined the most series they were on? I know Ted Mcginley is right up with sinking the love boat, ruining the happy days, and sopping up what was left of married with children, but who else? I think I would have to say close is Gregory Sierra. He ruined SOAP, with awful El Puerco, was bad on Sanford and Son as Julio, and was not funny on Barny Miller either. Do these characters ruin the shows themselves or just have the bad luck to come into a series that was fading anyway, jumping on a sinking ship so to speak.
BOOOOOO...I wholeheartedly disagree. I will defend my honey!!!!

So glad this thread was bumped up, because we have two actresses appearing this Fall who have appeared in a bunch of TV shows over the years, some were good, some were bad, many were cancelled.

Paula Marshall - Gary Unmarried NBC

Madchen Amick - My Own Worst Enemy also on NBC.

Good luck NBC.

;)

Anne Meara and Jm J. Bullock ruined ALF. I could not stand that show in its last season. The addition of those two actors ruined the balance of the show.

Jm J. Bullock ruined Too Close for Comfort. The character of Monroe Ficus was overbearing and overkill. The show started off good but when adding Monroe it was hard to watch.

June Lockhart did not help Petticoat Junction after the death of Bea Benederet. The show should had been cancelled after her passing but they were beating a dead horse by adding June Lockhart to replace Bea. The show was Bea and it should had ended there. Bea's passing left a huge hole in the show. I hate watching the later episodes without her. The season that she started getting sick you can tell her health was not at her best.


hey i like anna mera very good funny actress she was on abp 2 i never liked jim j bullock though i agree with u there

Ted McGinley is the sitcom serial killer.
He did kill HD.



Ted McGinley did not kill Happy Days, Happy Days was already dying when Ron Howard and Don Most left, changing the look of Arnold's, having Fonzie's office actually look like and office in the bathroom....

So glad this thread was bumped up, because we have two actresses appearing this Fall who have appeared in a bunch of TV shows over the years, some were good, some were bad, many were cancelled.

Paula Marshall - Gary Unmarried NBC

Madchen Amick - My Own Worst Enemy also on NBC.

Good luck NBC.

;)


Gary Unmarried is on CBS

But since that stars Jay Mohr who was on "Camp Wilder" a long ago forgotten TGIF series with that famous sitcom killer--Mary Page Keller! :lol: she was on Duet, Open House, Camp Wilder, Joe's Life and the second version of Baby Talk. None of which lasted beyond 2 seasons.

So glad this thread was bumped up, because we have two actresses appearing this Fall who have appeared in a bunch of TV shows over the years, some were good, some were bad, many were cancelled.

Paula Marshall - Gary Unmarried NBC

Madchen Amick - My Own Worst Enemy also on NBC.

Good luck NBC.

;)
and My Own Worst Enemy looks like the best new show on NBC. It figures.

I'd also like to nominate Jerry O'Connell. Carpoolers...this new hotel one he's in...probably others. He was fine on Crossing Jordan, so maybe he should stay away from comedy.

Bringing on Andy in 'Family Ties'- annoying kid

Moving to Hollywood and then Shirley leaving 'Laverne and Shirley'

Bo and Luke leaving, and bringing on Coy and Vance in 'Dukes of Hazzard'

Pamela Sue Martin leaving the 'Hardy Boys Nancy Drew Mysteries'

Moving to an apartment in 'Kate and Allie'

Moving to Florida on 'Coach'

John Amos leaving 'Good Times'

That annoying little red-headed kid Sam on 'Different Strokes'

Even though I'm a big fan of his- Jonathan Winters joining 'Mork and Mindy' as their baby.

Larry Wilcox leaving, and Bruce Jenner joining 'CHiPs'

Changing the location from Earth to the ship in 'Buck Rogers'

It didn't kill it, but it did hurt it when Don Knotts left 'The Andy Griffith Show'(then they brought on that awful Warren or whatever his name was)

I'd also like to nominate Jerry O'Connell. Carpoolers...this new hotel one he's in...probably others. He was fine on Crossing Jordan, so maybe he should stay away from comedy.
He was also in Camp Wilder with Mary Page Keller (see above). Enough said?? :confused: :lol:

I used to love "8 Simple Rules" even after John Ritter's sudden passing, but when they added David Spade, it really ruined the show. He is so obnoxious and it went downhill from there! I still watch it occasionally and in all honesty, the early episodes featuring John Ritter are the best!


Andrea

HEY! Ted McGinley is a great actor. He didn't ruin MWC, HD or any other series...

Matter fact, I thought he was good and really liked Roger in HD, dunno about everybody else...

Taylor McBride... Melrose Place. Ever since her clown lips came onto that set the entire show went into a downward spiral.

As for Melrose,

I stopped caring about that show when Alyssa Milano and Marcia Cross left.

I think Daphne Maxwell Reid killed most of the Fresh Prince, when she replaced Janet Hubert Whitten as the show's "Aunt Viv." I loved JHW as Aunt Viv, she was independant, smart, nice, funny at times and just a great person for the role. I liked all the episodes with her in it. DMR, while she had a better relationship with Will Smith off the show, I absolutely hated her character on the show lol. I've seen pretty much every poll, where 99.9% of TFP fans or people that vote, say they liked the first Aunt Viv way better then the second, aka JHW over DMR. DMR just wasn't as nice, always had that dark look on her face and I didn't like her. Especially in the episode where her and Phillip sort of separate for a min., she just has a me me me attitude because she didn't want Phil to run for judge or something. I forget what it was she didn't want him to do but I never caught on to her.

I think Daphne Maxwell Reid killed most of the Fresh Prince, when she replaced Janet Hubert Whitten as the show's "Aunt Viv." I loved JHW as Aunt Viv, she was independant, smart, nice, funny at times and just a great person for the role. I liked all the episodes with her in it. DMR, while she had a better relationship with Will Smith off the show, I absolutely hated her character on the show lol. I've seen pretty much every poll, where 99.9% of TFP fans or people that vote, say they liked the first Aunt Viv way better then the second, aka JHW over DMR. DMR just wasn't as nice, always had that dark look on her face and I didn't like her. Especially in the episode where her and Phillip sort of separate for a min., she just has a me me me attitude because she didn't want Phil to run for judge or something. I forget what it was she didn't want him to do but I never caught on to her.

I wouldn't say she killed the show, but the quality definitely dipped a lot when she joined the cast. But, I also wouldn't say it was entirely her fault, since she was only seen in half the number of episodes anyway. But yeah, Janet was definitely a better Vivian that Daphne, no doubt.

I wouldn't say she killed the show, but the quality definitely dipped a lot when she joined the cast. But, I also wouldn't say it was entirely her fault, since she was only seen in half the number of episodes anyway. But yeah, Janet was definitely a better Vivian that Daphne, no doubt.

I agree, she wasn't in every episode but I think if you had to name the moment or time the show jumped the shark, she would of been 2/3s of why it jumped. That, and the jokes got old, Carlton & Will got too goofy and stupid and the plots were horrible by Season 6. The writing was never at it's best, they had good plots for shows, but the show's background was so inconsistent.

I agree, she wasn't in every episode but I think if you had to name the moment or time the show jumped the shark, she would of been 2/3s of why it jumped. That, and the jokes got old, Carlton & Will got too goofy and stupid and the plots were horrible by Season 6. The writing was never at it's best, they had good plots for shows, but the show's background was so inconsistent.

Yeah, the writing was never that great, but the jokes remained funny for the first 3 seasons. After that, the show went all over the place - the quality took a huge nosedive, and show became to stupid and dumbed-down by the end of its run. I will agree, though, that Daphne was a major reason for that. I have nothing against her as an actress, but Janet was way better in the role.

anyone mention steve urkel in family matters with his inventions and his 12 charactors talk about ruining a good family show

I used to love "8 Simple Rules" even after John Ritter's sudden passing, but when they added David Spade, it really ruined the show. He is so obnoxious and it went downhill from there! I still watch it occasionally and in all honesty, the early episodes featuring John Ritter are the best!


Andrea


David Spade would be my choice as well. He has ruined every series he's ever been on from "8 Simple Rules" and "Just Shoot Me" to "Rules of Engagement" and his movies have also sucked badly. He's just simply not funny.

Yeah, the writing was never that great, but the jokes remained funny for the first 3 seasons. After that, the show went all over the place - the quality took a huge nosedive, and show became to stupid and dumbed-down by the end of its run. I will agree, though, that Daphne was a major reason for that. I have nothing against her as an actress, but Janet was way better in the role.

Yeah I agree- I think some of the stuff with Will and Lisa were stupid. Even if it's funny, the episode where Will is fat LOL is so boring for a plot. Everything became a fight or a joke about Lisa and Will. I don't like the episode when they first meet, where she ties him up and she thinks she's crazy lol, but it's for something she wants to get in. I thought it was so stupid. I think episodes where they could put out great jokes in the scripts, have serious conversations and still keep the show interesting were the best. Season 5 was pretty good, Season 6 was just bad. I would enjoy as many seasons of TFP that NBC would give us the fans and viewers, but they just lost it by the end of Season 5- Season 6. Yeah I agree, Janet was better in the role- yet Daphne got a long better with Will Smith off screen then JHW did lol. It's all good.

Yeah I agree- I think some of the stuff with Will and Lisa were stupid. Even if it's funny, the episode where Will is fat LOL is so boring for a plot. Everything became a fight or a joke about Lisa and Will. I don't like the episode when they first meet, where she ties him up and she thinks she's crazy lol, but it's for something she wants to get in. I thought it was so stupid. I think episodes where they could put out great jokes in the scripts, have serious conversations and still keep the show interesting were the best. Season 5 was pretty good, Season 6 was just bad. I would enjoy as many seasons of TFP that NBC would give us the fans and viewers, but they just lost it by the end of Season 5- Season 6. Yeah I agree, Janet was better in the role- yet Daphne got a long better with Will Smith off screen then JHW did lol. It's all good.

The first 3 seasons were great - the show really got better with every season up to that point. Afterwards, though, it gradually got worse. Like you said, season 5 was okay, season 6 was bad, which is basically why I could care less at this point whether or not the final 2 seasons make it to DVD - I'm perfectly happy with having season 1-4. The show just got wild and pointless by the end. They had episodes that would have worked better as one-liners than as plots-LOL. For example, the episode with William Shatner, where he breaks his tooth and they get high off the silly gas-LOL. How more pointless can you get? What a way to waste William Shatner as a guest star :lol:

I've been trying to watch Family Matters, as I'd never seen it before. I know he was popular, but I literally cannot stand Urkel. Talk about a one-note band. For me, it's a shame because I enjoy all the other characters. When the show first debuted, was it less Urkel or was he part of the plan? I've yet to see an episode that didn't have that buffoon on.

I wouldn't say she killed the show, but the quality definitely dipped a lot when she joined the cast. But, I also wouldn't say it was entirely her fault, since she was only seen in half the number of episodes anyway. But yeah, Janet was definitely a better Vivian that Daphne, no doubt.
To some. I started watching Fresh Prince with Daphne as the mother, and I liked her a lot. When Janet came on, I wasn't overwhelmed with her. She was very good, but I think Daphne was as well. Daphne is very sophisticated, elegant and I think she did a good job with the role. Had she been cast first, perhaps some would like her better. I think both women were equally talented, yet I think Daphne had an edge over Janet in the looks department.

^ I think Daphne is a great actress and a very nice woman- I didn't like her character at all during the show though, that's just me. I think JHW was a better fit for Aunt Viv.

The first 3 seasons were great - the show really got better with every season up to that point. Afterwards, though, it gradually got worse. Like you said, season 5 was okay, season 6 was bad, which is basically why I could care less at this point whether or not the final 2 seasons make it to DVD - I'm perfectly happy with having season 1-4. The show just got wild and pointless by the end. They had episodes that would have worked better as one-liners than as plots-LOL. For example, the episode with William Shatner, where he breaks his tooth and they get high off the silly gas-LOL. How more pointless can you get? What a way to waste William Shatner as a guest star :lol:

Yeah I agree, that episode was useless and horrible lol but funny I must say! LOL @ WS getting high lol...Actually I would like to have the whole set, I downloaded the whole series off a torrent site, season 5 has great quality and even some episodes from Season 6 are good quality. But some of the episodes towards the end of the final season are horrible quality, different colors start taking over the screen randomly :lol: . Even though I didn't like the last 2 seasons as much as the first 4, I still would like to have them. It's nice for a collection and to watch them. Even in the stupid episodes, their are some funny moments and lines lol. LOL @ Will calling his professor Sting lol. Did you know that guy played more then one character on the show, a long with Queen Latifah and Sherman Hemsley? I think everybody knows about SH and QL playing more then one character, but not this guy. He was also a part of Hilary's show, as his other character.

I've been trying to watch Family Matters, as I'd never seen it before. I know he was popular, but I literally cannot stand Urkel. Talk about a one-note band. For me, it's a shame because I enjoy all the other characters. When the show first debuted, was it less Urkel or was he part of the plan? I've yet to see an episode that didn't have that buffoon on.


i know he gets on my nerves to thank goodness nobody like that n real life i liked autn rachle telma hopkins she was funny her n harriate had great chemistry

was not same when she left and mostly all urkel annoying the winslows surprised they didnt get restraing ordor against him anyway it was a good show but way to much urkel

I think Daphne Maxwell Reid killed most of the Fresh Prince, when she replaced Janet Hubert Whitten as the show's "Aunt Viv." I loved JHW as Aunt Viv, she was independant, smart, nice, funny at times and just a great person for the role. I liked all the episodes with her in it. DMR, while she had a better relationship with Will Smith off the show, I absolutely hated her character on the show lol. I've seen pretty much every poll, where 99.9% of TFP fans or people that vote, say they liked the first Aunt Viv way better then the second, aka JHW over DMR. DMR just wasn't as nice, always had that dark look on her face and I didn't like her. Especially in the episode where her and Phillip sort of separate for a min., she just has a me me me attitude because she didn't want Phil to run for judge or something. I forget what it was she didn't want him to do but I never caught on to her.
It's funny - I always liked JHW better as Aunt Viv, and my sister preferred DMR in the role. To each his own, I guess. :lol:

Did anybody mention Allison Laplaca?

Let's see, Duets, Open House, The John Laroquette Show etc...

Did anybody mention Allison Laplaca?

Let's see, Duets, Open House, The John Laroquette Show etc...
Not to mention The Jackie Thomas Show (1992) and Tom (1994)...

David Spade would be my choice as well. He has ruined every series he's ever been on from "8 Simple Rules" and "Just Shoot Me" to "Rules of Engagement" and his movies have also sucked badly. He's just simply not funny.

8 Simple Rules used to be a family show, and when he arrived, the show took on a whole different "feel". The whole point of the show was a father trying to cope with his teenage daughters dating. They could have continued the show without him, IMO. I think it would have been just fine. I mean, what was the point in bringing in Kate's nephew? He just made the show stupid. Maybe if they would have brought in Paul's (John Ritter's character) sister or brother it would be different. At least then the girls would have had an uncle to look up to (and who reminded them of their dad). I'm impressed that they kept it going for two years after John Ritter's death, but I don't think that he would have wanted the show canceled just because he was no longer a part of it.

Andrea

Growing Pains when a then unknown Leonardo DiCaprio would
Try to become the teen idol on the last season of the show.
When Kirk Cameron was a newlywed at the time and outgrown his teen bases.

yeah his new attitude and bringing in leo ruined the show and was nto the same growing pains carol took time off ben was not doing much of anything i remember expect hepling mike n such just wasnt the same oh and adding that ashley girl messed it up2

anyone mention steve urkel in family matters with his inventions and his 12 charactors talk about ruining a good family show
I still liked it despite all that, but yeah, it went from a show grounded in reality to something almost sci-fi. :crazy:

When the show first debuted, was it less Urkel or was he part of the plan? I've yet to see an episode that didn't have that buffoon on.

From what I understand, he was just supposed to be a one-episode character, but he got such a good reaction, that they brought him back permanently.

I never minded Urkel. FM was full of characters that you doubt really exist. Waldo Faldo anyone? lol...he and Urkel were an interesting pair. At least Laura's friend Maxine was normal.

^ I enjoyed the supporting characters of Waldo, Maxine, Weasel, Lt. Murtaugh, etc. and found them much more interesting than Urkel. Urkel was best in small doses.

me and my nephew talked one time how it would be if winslows or banks exchanged family members for one day carl take care of carlton and phillip banks takes care of steve urkel now that would be clasic

It's funny - I always liked JHW better as Aunt Viv, and my sister preferred DMR in the role. To each his own, I guess. :lol:

Cool lol. It's ironic to me because JHW was the nicer Aunt Viv in the show, not to say she's mean because I don't know her, but DMR got a long better with Will off the show then JHW did. lol.

me and my nephew talked one time how it would be if winslows or banks exchanged family members for one day carl take care of carlton and phillip banks takes care of steve urkel now that would be clasic
:lol:

To some. I started watching Fresh Prince with Daphne as the mother, and I liked her a lot. When Janet came on, I wasn't overwhelmed with her. She was very good, but I think Daphne was as well. Daphne is very sophisticated, elegant and I think she did a good job with the role. Had she been cast first, perhaps some would like her better. I think both women were equally talented, yet I think Daphne had an edge over Janet in the looks department.

I will agree, not to sound harsh, that Daphne was more sophisticated, and a bit prettier, than Janet. But, to me, she played the role too softly. She was always just blending in the background. Janet, on the other hand, played the role loud and vibrant. She stood up to everyone, while Daphne would go along with everyone. But, I'm not the biggest Fresh Prince fan in the first place, so everyone has their different tastes :)

In the USA, it was Ted McG...king of the shark jumpers, in Canada, it was actress Jayne Eastwood who destroyed several Canadian shows with her evil presense, particularly, King of Kensington

Growing Pains when a then unknown Leonardo DiCaprio would
Try to become the teen idol on the last season of the show.
When Kirk Cameron was a newlywed at the time and outgrown his teen bases.

Yeah, I liked it better when the show focused on the Seavers and not Leo. But also I think what ruined it was when they 'aged' Crissy so rapidly. They could have done so much with her if they would have let her age naturally (like Michelle on "Full House"). I'll never understand why they felt they needed Crissy to be older than 'normal'. That was definitely a missed opportunity. We never got to see Mike and Carol interact with a toddler, although I know they did when Ben was that age, but I would have enjoyed the show more had we seen them interact with Crissy this way.

Andrea

I've never seen the late seasons of Growing Pains with Leonardo or with the older Chrissy. I've seen, I think, seasons 3-5 and maybe a bit of 2,6.

IMO, the ones for certain were:

Raven Symone - Was Phase 1 of why The Cosby Show slumped down in the ratings. She also bungled Hangin' w/ Mr. Cooper as well. Even her own wasn't all that good, IMO.

Ted McGinley? - Happy Days was already in trouble before he even came along when Ron Howard left. Married w/ Children lasted another great 5 or 6 years when he was around.

^ I'm going to have to agree with Raven-Symone, even though I still liked Mr. Cooper after she joined the cast.

I will agree, not to sound harsh, that Daphne was more sophisticated, and a bit prettier, than Janet. But, to me, she played the role too softly. She was always just blending in the background. Janet, on the other hand, played the role loud and vibrant. She stood up to everyone, while Daphne would go along with everyone. But, I'm not the biggest Fresh Prince fan in the first place, so everyone has their different tastes :)
I think that Daphne played the script she was given. The writers, most likely on orders from the suits, toned down Vivian's personality. As actresses, I think both women are very talented, and both could play tough and aggressive equally well. It's just not up to the actor to decide, unless of course, he or she is a mega-star who can pressure and influence the decision makers. :)

I agree. I think they changed the script a little for a new Vivian and because it was later in the series and the writing wasn't superb to begin with. While I didn't enjoy her character and didn't like her fictional personality on the show, I think part of it was her acting and how she got into it.

Vivian slid quitely into the background by the end of the series. Season 4 she was had a few lines, season 5 she was barely there at all, just showing up in the background a lot, and in season 6 they actually gave her the most storylines, probably after she began talking with the producers. But for the first 3 seasons, Vivian was a major role.

It was definitely on the producers' parts to do that. I don't get why, though. They probably just wanted to give the show almost entirely to Will.