ok, so I'm on vacation from work and I finally got around to watching the Datline episode on this that I taped when it aired a little while ago. Anyways, there was a bunch of new info on it that I thought I would share. I took notes on it as I watched it so my notes are a little disorganized.

-When Bobbi's van was found a couple days after their disappearance (100 miles away from the prison) they found duct tape with strands of Bobbi's hair on it

-Bobbi's best friend said something to this effect on the program "There is no way that she would go with a aging, skinny man, with no front teeth, white-haired, obnoxious man." (she snickers when she says this and so did I)

-This occured in the summer of 1994 in Oklahoma. FBI agents that were investigating it put it on the backburner when the Oklahoma city bombings occured early the next year.

-I gotta warn ya's this is disturbing: -When he was captured, Randolph said he ducked down in the passenger side of Bobbi's van and waited for her, and held a knife to an artery on her leg.

-Dial said that they moved around constantly, and they would perform menial jobs with her doing most of the work and him working on his ceramics. She often performed back-breaking, grueling physical work.

-Dial said he threatened her daughters, which is why she didn't make a move to get out of there.

-Some believe that Bobbi was a willing accomplice, and point out that she often went to the market alone, and when Dial became ill (I think had a heart attack) she called 911 and took care of him as he was recovering. They also mention letters and Valentine's day cards the two sent each other, and said that it appeared they were sleeping in the same bed.

-Others, however, say that Bobbi was always crying and Dial appeared drunk all the time, and they he abused her often. It is also reported that Dial often drugger her to keep her from having energy.

-It is believed that Dial had mafia ties.

-Her husband and daughters bought and kept Christmas gifts all the while she was gone. (that was really touching)

-I couldn't tell for sure because he only appeared for a second, but I think the guy that interviewed Frank Delano Floyd in the UM segment, also makes an appearance here. Both cases had Oklahoma ties, so this could be true.

I always believed that Bobbi was kidnapped, and did not go willingly, and I still do.

Great find, wiseguy!!!! Interesting info. Anyone know if she and her husband remained together? After all that time I wondered if they were still "in love" after all she went through.......

Great find, wiseguy!!!! Interesting info. Anyone know if she and her husband remained together? After all that time I wondered if they were still "in love" after all she went through.......

good question, they were reunited, but for some reason, her husband and daughters did not appear on the show/or interview. The husband appeared very briefly in a taped interview, but other than that we didn't see him. I can't remember if they were in the UM segment or not. Her daughters, I believe they said, are now a college junior and a high school senior, so they had a lot of catching up to do I would imagine.

Great stuff, wiseguy! Thanks for sharing.

I know the husband was on the UM segment but I don't think the daughters were. I think actors played the girls for the UM story.

I could never make up my mind on which way to go with this. I always leaned towards he abducted her and then she suffered from "Stockholm Syndrome." Yet I do think it is very possible she just wanted out. I don't know if this applies to her or not, but mental illness can make a person do some very weird stuff.

Great update! ;)

Thanks for the info, Wiseguy!!! I wish I had seen this Dateline special!!!

I still think Bobbi suffered from Stockholm Syndrome...but it's always interesing to hear the other sides of the argument!

Thanks for the info, Wiseguy!!! I wish I had seen this Dateline special!!!

I still think Bobbi suffered from Stockholm Syndrome...but it's always interesing to hear the other sides of the argument!

i still have it on tape, but the reception/quality is less than stellar (black and white)

ok, so I'm on vacation from work and I finally got around to watching the Datline episode on this that I taped when it aired a little while ago. Anyways, there was a bunch of new info on it that I thought I would share. I took notes on it as I watched it so my notes are a little disorganized.

-When Bobbi's van was found a couple days after their disappearance (100 miles away from the prison) they found duct tape with strands of Bobbi's hair on it

-Bobbi's best friend said something to this effect on the program "There is no way that she would go with a aging, skinny man, with no front teeth, white-haired, obnoxious man." (she snickers when she says this and so did I)

-This occured in the summer of 1994 in Oklahoma. FBI agents that were investigating it put it on the backburner when the Oklahoma city bombings occured early the next year.

-I gotta warn ya's this is disturbing: -When he was captured, Randolph said he ducked down in the passenger side of Bobbi's van and waited for her, and held a knife to an artery on her leg.

-Dial said that they moved around constantly, and they would perform menial jobs with her doing most of the work and him working on his ceramics. She often performed back-breaking, grueling physical work.

-Dial said he threatened her daughters, which is why she didn't make a move to get out of there.

-Some believe that Bobbi was a willing accomplice, and point out that she often went to the market alone, and when Dial became ill (I think had a heart attack) she called 911 and took care of him as he was recovering. They also mention letters and Valentine's day cards the two sent each other, and said that it appeared they were sleeping in the same bed.

-Others, however, say that Bobbi was always crying and Dial appeared drunk all the time, and they he abused her often. It is also reported that Dial often drugger her to keep her from having energy.

-It is believed that Dial had mafia ties.

-Her husband and daughters bought and kept Christmas gifts all the while she was gone. (that was really touching)

-I couldn't tell for sure because he only appeared for a second, but I think the guy that interviewed Frank Delano Floyd in the UM segment, also makes an appearance here. Both cases had Oklahoma ties, so this could be true.

I always believed that Bobbi was kidnapped, and did not go willingly, and I still do.


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So Wiseguy isn't allowed to voice his opinion on this subject? It seems you're willing to discuss these cases as long as everyone agrees with you. :rolleyes:

It's incredibly obvious Bobbi CHOSE to stay with Dial. She had thousands of chances to leave and was left alone EVERY DAY. Even witnesses said she was alone and could've simply called police for help and/or just left.

She was charged, right?

Thanks for the background. I like to know all the facts before I come up with a theory, not just "vomit" an opinion.

So Wiseguy isn't allowed to voice his opinion on this subject? It seems you're willing to discuss these cases as long as everyone agrees with you. :rolleyes:


WOW. :rolleyes:

I NEVER said wiseguy wasn't allowed to voice his opinion, crystaldawn. I was merely voicing mine. Take 'er down a notch... jeez. :crazy:

Part of the fun of these boards is the fact that everyone DOESN'T agree. I am willing to discuss any subject on here with anyone, whether they believe the same thing I believe or not. That is the fun of it. It would be pretty boring and threads would die pretty quickly if everyone here agreed on everything posted.

Bobbi Parker and Darlie Routier are the only threads I've really commented on with the exception of a R.I.P. message for someone who has passed or to welcome someone to the board. As fate would have it, you and I disagree on the only two cases I've posted on. Oh well... that's the way it is. As you told me earlier, we'll just have to agree to disagree, and thats fine with me. It seems to me that you are the one who has a problem with people disagreeing with you.

I speak on this Bobbi Parker thing from my own personal experience. I was attacked at an ATM a few years back at knife point at my THROAT. I was told to get in my car to drive him where he wanted to go. I flipped out. Fear... anger... everything mixed together.... I flipped out, started screaming... told him if he was going to kill me he was going to do it here and now... that I was NOT going to drive off to God knows where before he did it. He, in turn, freaked out and ran away. Was that a smart move? I don't know. It worked for me. Had it been a different person or situation, it may not have worked. And that was at night (stupidly), without armed guards or anyone else around me. I am only speaking from my own personal experience as to why it is so hard for me to believe that this could happen in such a secure area in broad-open daylight with armed guards around. And the same goes for her idiotic husband. What kind of idiot lets a convicted murderer go anywhere near the home his wife and children live in?? That seems to be the only point you and I agree on and like I said, that's fine. It's no fun to be here without opposition.

Pam :wave:

Thanks for the background. I like to know all the facts before I come up with a theory, not just "vomit" an opinion.


Hi mph95 :wave:

Thanks for your opinion. What gives you the impression that I DON'T know the facts of the case? I DO know the facts of the case and that is why her story simply doesn't hold water... with ME. That is not to say that everyone has to agree with me. I have only commented on two cases on this entire board and those are Darlie Routier and Bobbi Parker. And only then because it happens that I have followed both cases for years. I have only commented on those two cases because they are the only ones here that I feel I have enough information on to even give an opinion. I don't post blindly. If you believe Bobbi Parker, that's fine. That is absolutely your right, and I respect that. Even though my right to disagree doesn't seem to be respected. Like crystaldawn told me, "We'll just have to agree to disagree". I don't have a problem with it.

Pam :wave:

It's incredibly obvious Bobbi CHOSE to stay with Dial. She had thousands of chances to leave and was left alone EVERY DAY. Even witnesses said she was alone and could've simply called police for help and/or just left.

She was charged, right?

Hi Big3scompanyFan :wave:

Yes, she has been charged.

http://newsok.com/article/3227070

Pam :wave:

WOW. :rolleyes:

I NEVER said wiseguy wasn't allowed to voice his opinion, crystaldawn. I was merely voicing mine. Take 'er down a notch... jeez. :crazy:

Part of the fun of these boards is the fact that everyone DOESN'T agree. I am willing to discuss any subject on here with anyone, whether they believe the same thing I believe or not. That is the fun of it. It would be pretty boring and threads would die pretty quickly if everyone here agreed on everything posted.

Bobbi Parker and Darlie Routier are the only threads I've really commented on with the exception of a R.I.P. message for someone who has passed or to welcome someone to the board. As fate would have it, you and I disagree on the only two cases I've posted on. Oh well... that's the way it is. As you told me earlier, we'll just have to agree to disagree, and thats fine with me. It seems to me that you are the one who has a problem with people disagreeing with you.

I speak on this Bobbi Parker thing from my own personal experience. I was attacked at an ATM a few years back at knife point at my THROAT. I was told to get in my car to drive him where he wanted to go. I flipped out. Fear... anger... everything mixed together.... I flipped out, started screaming... told him if he was going to kill me he was going to do it here and now... that I was NOT going to drive off to God knows where before he did it. He, in turn, freaked out and ran away. Was that a smart move? I don't know. It worked for me. Had it been a different person or situation, it may not have worked. And that was at night (stupidly), without armed guards or anyone else around me. I am only speaking from my own personal experience as to why it is so hard for me to believe that this could happen in such a secure area in broad-open daylight with armed guards around. And the same goes for her idiotic husband. What kind of idiot lets a convicted murderer go anywhere near the home his wife and children live in?? That seems to be the only point you and I agree on and like I said, that's fine. It's no fun to be here without opposition.

Pam :wave:

You bumped up an old thread which I found well thought out and written and your only reply was a puke: How is that intelligently discussing the case? I just felt that it was quite tacky and as moderator felt I needed to say something. If you'll notice in the Bobbi Parkers threads I have not once criticized your opinion, at the most said I didn't agree with it and the reasons why. How does that make me intolerant of others opinions? You're right this board is all about different opinions and intelligently discussing the cases. The only way the board runs effectively however is if people are allowed to freely give their opinion.

As for the Darlie thread, you and I actually do agree for the most part, but I have thought you treated some people badly who simply didn't agree with you and you didn't seem to care for how they expressed their opinion and attacked them for it. I've already discussed that with you so its over as far as I'm concerned unless it comes up again of course. Everyone is entitled to express their opinion without being criticized even if they don't agree with you.

You bumped up an old thread which I found well thought out and written and your only reply was a puke: How is that intelligently discussing the case? I just felt that it was quite tacky and as moderator felt I needed to say something. If you'll notice in the Bobbi Parkers threads I have not once criticized your opinion, at the most said I didn't agree with it and the reasons why. How does that make me intolerant of others opinions? You're right this board is all about different opinions and intelligently discussing the cases. The only way the board runs effectively however is if people are allowed to freely give their opinion.

As for the Darlie thread, you and I actually do agree for the most part, but I have thought you treated some people badly who simply didn't agree with you and you didn't seem to care for how they expressed their opinion and attacked them for it. I've already discussed that with you so its over as far as I'm concerned unless it comes up again of course. Everyone is entitled to express their opinion without being criticized even if they don't agree with you.

Good morning CD :wave:

I'm not sure what post was 'bumped up' where my only response was a puke icon. I do recall making a comment back in June or somewhere around then about the JonBenet Ramsey case. (Yet another case you and I don't agree on, and quite honestly, I had forgotten about even commenting on it. So my apologies for saying Darlie and Bobbi are the only cases I've ever posted on.) But my statement basically was that I found it a little bit more than a coincidence that the entire family was cleared by "Touch DNA" and Ramsey just happens to be running for governor at the same time, and then used the puke icon. You thought whatever comment you are referring to was "well thought out and written" ... maybe it was well thought out and well written... but is it not my right to disagree with what the opinion is? If you think that it was a well written post, does that mean no one is allowed to disagree with it? Now I'm sure you don't actually believe that but again, all I was doing was stating my opinion. I think I replied twice to that thread. And if the puke icon is so tacky, then, as a moderator, why is it there for use? If that is how I feel about a post, and the icon is there for use, then why is it wrong for me to use it?

And as far as the Darlie Routier case, I don't remember you and I agreeing on much of anything. But I could very easily be wrong and if I am, I apologize, but I don't think I am. It was a thread with many posts. But I do not believe that I have ever attacked or criticized anyone on that thread or any other. If I have ever attacked anyone, on any post, please let me know which one(s) in particular and I will immediately apologize to anyone I've offended. If I believe strongly in something, I'm going to stand up for that, the same as you will and have. And to be honest with you, and no disrepect crystaldawn, I would be willing to bet that if I'd thrown that puke icon up there and you agreed with me, you wouldn't be quite so peeved.

I feel that I give you all due respect as moderator and begin and end posts with a smile because this is, after all, only a discussion board and nothing is meant personally or to offend anyone.

And once again, if the icons that are here are considered "tacky" or considered to be a response who's use is improper, then they should be removed. I'm not the first to use that icon, and unless it is removed, I doubt I'll be the last. You are actually doing to me what you are criticizing me for doing.
You are criticizing the way I expressed an opinion... With an icon that is on this board... that is there for that purpose... expression.


Pam :wave:

I'm not sure what post was 'bumped up' where my only response was a puke icon.


Of course the post would be the one from Wiseguy that only happened a few days ago. I have no desire to argue with you. The purpose of this thread is to discuss the Bobbi Parker case. Use whatever smilies you wish. The issue I had was that you didn't bother debating or commenting on Wiseguy's post, only posting a puke smiley face. Had you wanted to further your point and maybe commented on what he had to say and then felt the need to use it I wouldn't have cared a bit but for that to be your only response was completely childish.

Okay enough of that and back to the topic at hand. Found an excellent article about the case that seems to support Bobbi's story about living in fear:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/18/national/main688790.shtml

Of course the post would be the one from Wiseguy that only happened a few days ago. I have no desire to argue with you. The purpose of this thread is to discuss the Bobbi Parker case. Use whatever smilies you wish. The issue I had was that you didn't bother debating or commenting on Wiseguy's post, only posting a puke smiley face. Had you wanted to further your point and maybe commented on what he had to say and then felt the need to use it I wouldn't have cared a bit but for that to be your only response was completely childish.

Okay enough of that and back to the topic at hand. Found an excellent article about the case that seems to support Bobbi's story about living in fear:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/18/national/main688790.shtml

Hi CD :wave:

My apologies. The way you said it made it sound like I had responded to an older post or thread in the same way, which I did not remember doing (except for the Ramsey case, which I already explained). I didn't realize you were talking about the post from wiseguy. I didn't understand what you meant by "bumped up". You had me going back and looking through page after page of the Darlie Rouiter thread. And I know you are trying to draw this to a close and get back to the topic at hand, but please, one more thing in my defense. I would like to explain why I used the icon in response to wiseguys post. I only used the icon instead of answering each item on the post because the post was so long and I just don't believe any of it. The icon was a short way of replying to a very long post that I didn't agree with a single point on. It wasn't meant to be disrespectful, I just don't believe it and I don't see the response as being childish. It was simply a shorthanded version of my honest opinion.

OK. With that said, I will move on and leave it alone. Thanks for the link you gave. I'm going to read it now. I am open to all info. Contrary to popular belief, my mind can be changed. For instance, I used to be a strong supporter of Darlies. I battled for her in many posts from other sources for a long time until I was prompted by another poster to "stop thinking with your heart and start thinking with your head and educate yourself on the case!" That is an exact quote and it stung like a slap in the face. But I did look into it more and the more I looked, the more I SAW. The rest is history. I had alot of crow to eat, and I ate it.

OK... again, with all that said, I will check out the link you posted.

And to wiseguy, if I offended you in any way, I do apologize. The puke icon was not meant to be an insult to you or to your post. It was only meant in disagreement. I know that a post like that takes time. No disrespect intended.

Pam :wave:

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Well... I have to say... I don't know what to believe. After reading the link posted by crystaldawn, I sat and worked on a post stating my disbelief of Bobbi Parker. For some reason the post wouldn't go through, so I decided to check out more info on Stockholm Syndrome on Wikipedia (LOVE that site). It refers to several cases but gives this warning:

It should be taken into account that according to Namnyak e.a. (2008) the Stockholm Syndrome "is not a recognized Medical Subject Heading (MeSH), that most sources of information for widely publicized cases were of varying reliability in terms of the events that led to the diagnosis of Stockholm syndrome; the authors had no access to primary sources and identification of a pattern of features exhibited in Stockholm syndrome may be due to reporting bias."[2]

So I don't know what to believe. I just cannot imagine being kidnapped and being out in the open and not getting help. I read Kiss The Girls and I could imagine being subservient in that situation. But I can't imagine being trusted enough to be away from my captor and not getting help.

I watched a segment on 20/20 on WE the other night and one of the stories was about a young woman named Ester who was adopted and then quickly pushed aside when her adopted parents had their own children. She was brought up to believe that God put her on this earth to be a servant and it was their job to teach her to serve. She was not only 'taught to serve', she was also horribly abused and raped:
http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/combs/
Ester was sent to her aunt and uncles home (the adopted fathers brother who was NOTHING like him, thank God) to escape the probing detective in this case, and witnessed an actual home and what it was like to live a normal life. She confided in her aunt what had been happening to her for more than 19 years and the police were contacted.

See what I mean? I just don't know what to believe about Bobbi. We'll have to wait and see what the state has. There must have been something there for them to pick up the case and charge her. I also find it odd now, and did then, that Dial wasn't charged with kidnapping in addition to the escape charge. I am very curious to know what the state has.

Pam :wave:

Hello Pam! :) I do believe Bobbi may have been brainwashed. I'm not disputing the fact that she could have left, no doubt she had many, many times to escape. But you seem to be a mother Pam (as am I) so we need to remember that Dial told Bobbi if she escaped he would be on the run as well and he would go kill her children and husband. He was capable of murder obviously and knew exactly where to find Bobbi's family so initially she probably just stayed for their safety. I remember reading an article where Dial talked about giving Bobbi drugs initially (I'm assuming without her knowledge unless he threatened her to make her take them) and then whenever he got the impression she was thinking of leaving he would give them to her also. So obviously Bobbi wasn't of a clear mind as you and I are sitting here thinking about what we would have done. Personally I believe I would have taken my chances and left or even called the police and had them come get him, but I don't know of her mental state (I can't imagine it was too good with what she had been through and the drugs she had been given) and I'm certainly not going to judge her and I do feel sympathy for her as I don't think this excursion with Dial was her choice. I think later on she just resigned herself to the fact she would be with him until he died. She may have taken some comfort in the fact that (as far as she knew anyway) her family was safe and figured they would stay safe as long as she stayed with Dial. I really wish she would grant an interview and maybe she will once this trial is finished so she could tell us what was going through her mind all these years. I will also say again I'm wondering how stong the prosecution's case is considering it took them this long to even file the charges.

I really wish she would grant an interview and maybe she will once this trial is finished so she could tell us what was going through her mind all these years. I will also say again I'm wondering how stong the prosecution's case is considering it took them this long to even file the charges.

Hi CD :wave:

I read the part in your link where Randy Parker said that his wife had not yet spoken about what she had endured...

I have to say it...

If my husband had been gone for all those years with me and the kids waiting, hoping he wasn't dead and then reappeared with talk of him staying willingly, he had better do some talking... and fast. :seeya:

As far as them taking so long to charge her, true. Again, I am very anxious to see what evidence the state has, and I would LOVE to see an interview, as it may answer the questions I'm left with.

Pam :wave:

But you seem to be a mother Pam (as am I) so we need to remember that Dial told Bobbi if she escaped he would be on the run as well and he would go kill her children and husband. He was capable of murder obviously and knew exactly where to find Bobbi's family so initially she probably just stayed for their safety.

One more thing :wave:

Yes mam, I am a mom too. That's why the first thought that came to mind when I started reading about the case was that I felt I would have someone contact the police but to be sure to give me time to get back to him. So that we would be together when he was captured.

You are also right in we don't know her frame of mind or what kind of person she is. She sounds like a very weak-minded/willed person to me. And I don't mean that in a hateful way. Some of us are just stronger-minded than others. That's why it's so hard to for me to believe it totally, because I feel very confident in saying that I would not have left that prison with him. He may have gotten me to the gate, but no further. At worst, I would have a stabbed leg. At best, I would be surrounded by armed guards with a stabbed leg, but free. Besides that, he would never have been allowed in my home, for any reason. Them conducting the pottery class together makes me think there was room for a little hanky panky. ;)
Hey... it happens.

Pam :wave: