View Full Version : LEAR should have gotten rid of Sally Struthers based on her drama in 1975
TVFactFan 02-19-2023, 07:02 PM The article below discusses her unhappiness with $6000 an episode
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/119152752/
And this article below discusses the contract dispute agreement. She needed more time for her movie and night club career? She would not have been missed lol Funny thing I dont even remember the 4 eps she missed because I didnt watch to see her:lol:
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/119154091/
MRPITT 02-19-2023, 07:56 PM She was by far my least favorite character.
TVFactFan 02-19-2023, 08:16 PM She was by far my least favorite character.
Now tonight I will pull out the season 6 DVD to see what 4 eps she missed since Im off tomorrow lol I think when I watched it the first time I didnt even notice
TVFactFan 02-20-2023, 01:46 AM She was by far my least favorite character.
Just realized that I didnt need to go and get the DVD because the show is available on Freevee lol So she was missing in
Archie the Donor....Gloria working late
Archie the Hero.........Gloria in the bathroom for over an hour
Chain Letter-Gloria working late
Edith Breaks Out-Not seen just referred to...........Edith tells Mike she wants a loaf of bread
:lol::lol:
MIKEPR 03-11-2023, 02:17 AM The article below discusses her unhappiness with $6000 an episode
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/119152752/
And this article below discusses the contract dispute agreement. She needed more time for her movie and night club career? She would not have been missed lol Funny thing I dont even remember the 4 eps she missed because I didnt watch to see her:lol:
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/119154091/
Are you not aware that CBS didn't create the show?
TVFactFan 03-11-2023, 04:16 AM Are you not aware that CBS didn't create the show?
That was supposed to be LEAR:lol:
Alan Brady's Hair 03-11-2023, 11:54 AM Lear had trouble on most of his shows: AITF, Sanford, Good Times, One Day at a Time. Maude/Jeffersons were relatively quiet?
TVFactFan 03-11-2023, 12:18 PM Lear had trouble on most of his shows: AITF, Sanford, Good Times, One Day at a Time. Maude/Jeffersons were relatively quiet?
True and Maude was in the top 5 like AITF and S&S and no one demanded anything
Lear had trouble on most of his shows: AITF, Sanford, Good Times, One Day at a Time. Maude/Jeffersons were relatively quiet?
Didn’t The Jefferson’s switch Lionels and then switch back? Was all that done amicably and peacefully?
And who would possibly cause trouble on the One Day At A Time set?
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Yong Fang 03-12-2023, 01:09 AM Didn’t The Jefferson’s switch Lionels and then switch back? Was all that done amicably and peacefully?
And who would possibly cause trouble on the One Day At A Time set?
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To you young people under 30 (or realllly now 40), this is what girls looked liked in the 1970's.
She really had an interesting life growing up and if I was her, would probably be partying all the time and fall into addiction myself. Her father was nuts. The people in The Mama's and the Papa's were nuts.
This was really the rock star show. Imagine Howard Hesseman, the members of Van Halen and John Phillips in one room? Yikes!
TVFactFan 03-12-2023, 01:35 AM Didn’t The Jefferson’s switch Lionels and then switch back? Was all that done amicably and peacefully?
And who would possibly cause trouble on the One Day At A Time set?
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Well in the case of Lionel, it wasnt a ongoing contract dispute. He just approached Lear at the end of season 1 and said he wanted off the show. Then he ran into Sherman Hemsley in the summer of 1979 before season 6 and they started talking and that's how he ended up back on the show.
Now I have no clue why he left AGAIN after season 8 lol Something im still searching for
vitoscotti 03-12-2023, 08:06 AM Listened to tremendous long in-depth interviews of Norman Lear, Sally Struthers, and John Amos over the last year. Norman Lear was able to move on from squabbles and retain a good working relationship with his actors. He'd even rehire John Amos for a short lived series after being fired from Good Times. Amos said he'd never of been available for Roots if he didn't get canned from Good Times.
just1paul 03-12-2023, 11:59 AM Well in the case of Lionel, it wasnt a ongoing contract dispute. He just approached Lear at the end of season 1 and said he wanted off the show. Then he ran into Sherman Hemsley in the summer of 1979 before season 6 and they started talking and that's how he ended up back on the show.
Now I have no clue why he left AGAIN after season 8 lol Something im still searching for
Evans was creator and writer of Good Times along with Eric Monte.
The major responsibilities and hardships of writing for "Good Times", which became one of the first TV sitcoms to feature a primarily African American cast in quite some time, took its toll, and Mike began making fewer appearances as Lionel. In fact, he left the role completely in the fall of 1975 after only eight months to focus on his writing and was replaced by actor Damon Evans (no relation to Mike), who inhabited the part for four seasons. Mike eventually reclaimed the part in 1979 after the cancellation of "Good Times". His character of Lionel, however, had dwindled so significantly in importance that he left the show again in 1981, this time for good.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0263070/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
TVFactFan 03-12-2023, 01:12 PM Evans was creator and writer of Good Times along with Eric Monte.
The major responsibilities and hardships of writing for "Good Times", which became one of the first TV sitcoms to feature a primarily African American cast in quite some time, took its toll, and Mike began making fewer appearances as Lionel. In fact, he left the role completely in the fall of 1975 after only eight months to focus on his writing and was replaced by actor Damon Evans (no relation to Mike), who inhabited the part for four seasons. Mike eventually reclaimed the part in 1979 after the cancellation of "Good Times". His character of Lionel, however, had dwindled so significantly in importance that he left the show again in 1981, this time for good.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0263070/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
False information. I have the 1976 ebony magazine explaining why he left and it had nothing to do with Good Times. I also have the Jeffersons book explaining the conversation between Mike Evans and sherman Hemsley
BestTVever 03-12-2023, 02:47 PM Put everything in context. In 1975, All In The Family was still #1 and she was grossly underpaid for being on a #1 show. However back in those days, it was the norm that women were paid less. ABC paid Farah Fawcett's replacement $10,000 per episode. Caroll was paid $30,000 per episode and also walked out for several episodes. This is why he called the paying of actors so unfair. Both the actors and producers have contracts. However the producers get their contracts renewed every year based on the success of the show. Caroll's point was the actors should be treated the same. The actors sell the show and make it successful yet everyone else can renegotiate based on the show's success except the actors. Sally was paid 1/5 of the star of the show. Today this would never fly. I think it was fair for her to maybe ask for 1/4 of what Caroll got. The actors made the show a success yet they were treated as if their talent had nothing to do with it.
These disputes were ahead of their time. 5 years later Suzanne Sommers also learned the hard way.
TVFactFan 03-12-2023, 02:48 PM Put everything in context. In 1975, All In The Family was still #1 and she was grossly underpaid for being on a #1 show. However back in those days, it was the norm that women were paid less. ABC paid Farah Fawcett's replacement $10,000 per episode. Caroll was paid $30,000 per episode and also walked out for several episodes. This is why he called the paying of actors so unfair. Both the actors and producers have contracts. However the producers get their contracts renewed every year based on the success of the show. Caroll's point was the actors should be treated the same. The actors sell the show and make it successful yet everyone else can renegotiate based on the show's success except the actors. Sally was paid 1/5 of the star of the show. Today this would never fly. I think it was fair for her to maybe ask for 1/4 of what Caroll got. The actors made the show a success yet they were treated as if their talent had nothing to do with it.
These disputes were ahead of their time. 5 years later Suzanne Sommers also learned the hard way.
she added nothing to the show
BestTVever 03-12-2023, 03:40 PM she added nothing to the show
She was essential to the show as Archie and Edith's only child. The entire premise of the show revolves around Archie letting his married daughter and her husband live with them. Without Gloria there is no Mike. Without Mike, Archie does not have a foil and the show suffers. Look how bad the show got once the kids moved next door. Gloria was not the most pivotal character on the show but she was vital. When Mike and Archie got into their giant fights, sometimes Gloria would back Mike and sometimes back her dad. Small roles are sometimes the most important in sitcoms.
TVFactFan 03-12-2023, 03:43 PM She was essential to the show as Archie and Edith's only child. The entire premise of the show revolves around Archie letting his married daughter and her husband live with them. Without Gloria there is no Mike. Without Mike, Archie does not have a foil and the show suffers. Look how bad the show got once the kids moved next door. Gloria was not the most pivotal actor on the show but she was vital. When Mike and Archie got into their giant fights, sometimes Gloria would back Mike and sometimes back her dad. Some roles are sometimes the most important in sitcoms.
When she was missing in 4 episodes I didnt even notice lol
Yong Fang 03-13-2023, 05:32 AM Sally Struthers has said that she had a difficult time finding work after All in the Family and her own show and has stated she gets nothing in residuals for reruns of the show. None and it’s been in reruns after the show has been over for over forty years.
BestTVever 03-13-2023, 06:55 AM Sally Struthers has said that she had a difficult time finding work after All in the Family and her own show and has stated she gets nothing in residuals for reruns of the show. None and it’s been in reruns after the show has been over for over forty years.
When Jean left the show syndication was not thought about. She sold her rights for syndication over for $75,000. In 1979, that amount of money was a nice chunk of coin. However, the show exploded in syndication and everyone made out again except the actors. That was chump change for what she would have made from syndication, VHS sales and she lived to see DVD sales.
Look at the Brady Bunch. Its never left the air and on in so many countries yet none of the actors get a cent.
The 70s was the last time these sorts of things happened. Actors wised up and made sure they shared in the show's success.
Back to Gloria: IMHO once the kids moved out (next door), the show jumped the shark. Her parts were small but she was an instigator for her father which the show needed.
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