View Full Version : What are some of the best violent or heavy moments in Norman Lear shows?


Big D In Charge
01-20-2023, 04:33 PM
I'm working on a montage and want to include the best. Diff'rent strokes and Facts of Life can be included

stevea
01-20-2023, 07:09 PM
It strikes me (heh, heh) Walter slapped Maude, but I could be wrong.

Bonniegirl
01-20-2023, 07:09 PM
When an Israeli guy ( played by Gregory Sierra) was blown up by a bomb in his car on All in the family!

stevea
01-20-2023, 07:32 PM
It strikes me (heh, heh) Walter slapped Maude, but I could be wrong.

Guess not--if it happened, it'd be on Youtube.

opus
01-20-2023, 08:14 PM
Guess not--if it happened, it'd be on Youtube.

Well, it kind of is, in an advertising sort of way

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https://youtu.be/GMMaSbUAaSg

Big D In Charge
01-20-2023, 09:05 PM
Good one

24/7 reruns
01-20-2023, 10:18 PM
All in the Family - Edith nearly getting raped.
All in the Family - Gloria having a miscarriage.
Different Strokes - Arnold getting involved with a pedophile.
Maude - Maude gets pregnant and abortion.

Bonniegirl
01-20-2023, 10:49 PM
All in the Family - Edith nearly getting raped.
All in the Family - Gloria having a miscarriage.
Different Strokes - Arnold getting involved with a pedophile.
Maude - Maude gets pregnant and abortion.

Good ones !

Also All in the family when the female impersonator family friend was hate crime murdered :( and Edith was so upset she didn't want to celebrate Christmas !

Bonniegirl
01-20-2023, 10:54 PM
Well, it kind of is, in an advertising sort of way

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https://youtu.be/GMMaSbUAaSg

How about when Ann slapped Julie on " One day at a time" when Julie was dating that older guy ?

" Are you jealous ? You want him Mom " ?? :eek:

SLAP!!! :D

opus
01-20-2023, 11:24 PM
How about when Ann slapped Julie on " One day at a time" when Julie was dating that older guy ?

" Are you jealous ? You want him Mom " ?? :eek:

SLAP!!! :D

And Ann slapped Alex. And Sam. Lots of slapping in Indianapolis.

And Walter and Maude slapped Florida right into her own spin-off.

Babalu
01-21-2023, 04:34 AM
I have two favorites:

When Julie lays down conditions for her to come back home after running away and Ann tells her to not come back.

When Michael is set upon by a teen gang in an alley and Florida picks up a baseball bat to defend him.

Yong Fang
01-21-2023, 06:45 AM
The near rape of Edith Bunker.

I have already said if I was the head of programming for CBS what I would do to Norman Lear that Monday if security and a good dose of valium didnt stop me. I have already made posts about this episode, you can look it up under my name.

stevea
01-21-2023, 08:31 AM
Different Strokes - Arnold getting involved with a pedophile.

Egad, how could I have forgotten "The Bicycle Man?" Part 2 is almost unwatchable. These are so disturbing Conrad Bain had to give a warning before the episodes.

There is also an episode where Arnold and Kimberly are kidnapped, or close. Then there is a bank robbery in another episode.

It's been awhile since I've seen this show.

merlinjones
01-21-2023, 11:29 AM
The Edith attempted rape episode nearly ruined the series for me. From an audience perspective, it was so wrong to do that to such an innocent and joyful character.

Probably no coincidence that after the Lear wave of unpleasant and disruptive shows the next popularity cycle was upbeat escapist Garry Marshall shows (Happy Days, Laverne, Mork, etc.).

tvfan25
01-21-2023, 05:47 PM
Also where Sam is kidnapped on Diff'rent Strokes.

KentB3
01-21-2023, 07:24 PM
All in the Family: Edith was attacked by a rapist at gunpoint

All in the Family: Archie joins a men's fraternal organization which is actually a local branch of the KKK

The Jeffersons: George gives CPR to a Klansman, saving his life!

Good Times: J.J.'s fiancée turns out to be a heroin addict

24/7 reruns
01-21-2023, 09:42 PM
The Edith attempted rape episode nearly ruined the series for me. From an audience perspective, it was so wrong to do that to such an innocent and joyful character.

Probably no coincidence that after the Lear wave of unpleasant and disruptive shows the next popularity cycle was upbeat escapist Garry Marshall shows (Happy Days, Laverne, Mork, etc.).

That episode was pretty intense. Yet you have to give Norman Lear credit. He tackled subjects that no one would or could. I do agree that shows like Happy Days got a boost since we were deprived of those type of shows.

Additions to the list.

Facts of Life - Natalie losing her virginity.

Maude - Walters suicide attempt and struggles with alcoholism.

Archie Bunker’s Place- Edith's death.

Archie Bunker’s Place- Stephanie's dad stealing money from her.

704 Hauser - consistent theme of African Americans feeling they have been slighted due to race countered with a conservative African American view of life. Plus the constant putting down of Jewish people which only mirrored the treatment some African Americans felt they were subjected to. (I wish this show could have run longer. I wonder what directions it would have taken).

HOT L BALTIMORE- I honestly do clearly remember this show. It did have a disclaimer on the opening of the show so that probably makes it fit this list.

Having just watched the 6 episodes of 704 Hauser it looks like Ernie was just as bigoted as Archie in All in the Family. Yet Rose was equally nasty when it came to Jewish people.

Big D In Charge
01-22-2023, 05:18 AM
These are some really good ones

24/7 reruns
01-22-2023, 10:37 AM
These are some really good ones

What will be the end results of this list? You mentioned doing a montage.

Big D In Charge
01-22-2023, 09:10 PM
Yes I'm doing a montage of the heaviest and saddest moments from Norman Lear shows.

24/7 reruns
01-22-2023, 09:51 PM
Yes I'm doing a montage of the heaviest and saddest moments from Norman Lear shows.

Please share it when it's done.

Big D In Charge
01-22-2023, 10:53 PM
Please share it when it's done.
I'm almost done. Expect some rare Norman Lear stuff

Yong Fang
01-23-2023, 11:53 AM
I just saw this not too long ago, but there was another Different Strokes episode where Kimberly and Arnold were hitchhiking (why, since they were children of a wealthy man) and a harmless looking older middle aged man picked them up. There was only a short clip but Arnold was in the bedroom watching a video, tried to leave and was locked in. The creeper was drawing a picture of Kimberly but would let her leave. I dont remember the episode and it only showed about two minutes of it.

But in Different Strokes, Arnold and his friend Dudley get mixed up with a pedophile (and thanks should be in order to the late Gordon Jump for doing the episode as the pedophile), Kimberly and Arnold are kidnapped by a mentally ill man and Sam gets kidnapped by (I believe) a man who him and his wife lost their child to death and was stealing Sam to replace the dead child.

The writers of Different Strokes really needed Prozac, if that was available thirty years ago.

Yong Fang
01-23-2023, 11:56 AM
Good Times: J.J.'s fiancée turns out to be a heroin addict.

That was a good one, although it seems the writers didnt really understand what heroin does to someone physically after dosing. The girl after dosing was happy, and alert and feeling good. From what I have seen about heroin (never have done it or even seen it) is that the user is in a catatonic stupor. That little girl would have been laid out.

Big D In Charge
01-23-2023, 12:32 PM
https://youtu.be/vysdGZgMQCQ


Hope you enjoy

rusty spike
01-23-2023, 12:55 PM
Those poor kitchen chairs in Good Times.

James lost his temper in the kitchen and broke several chairs.

For someone who grew up in a dysfunctional household with anger and violence, that was pretty intense stuff!

biffbronson
01-23-2023, 05:00 PM
All In the Family: Edith relates to Gloria she's discovered a lump in her breast, fearing it's cancer (Season 4).

Big D In Charge
01-23-2023, 08:23 PM
https://youtu.be/vysdGZgMQCQ

I also made another post on it

24/7 reruns
01-24-2023, 09:07 AM
https://youtu.be/vysdGZgMQCQ

I also made another post on it

You lost me with the music. Can you post without it? The dialog could be just as important as the visual.

Big D In Charge
01-24-2023, 10:09 AM
It's a montage the music stays

24/7 reruns
01-25-2023, 06:56 AM
It's a montage the music stays

That's too bad. The idea was great. But the music doesn't fit the era of those show. Plus for me most Rap detracts from what ever it's associated with. But that's my opinion. Nice project thanks for asking for ideas. That part was fun.

stevea
01-25-2023, 09:21 AM
You're right, it was a disappointment. It would have been nice to hear the original audio.

Big D In Charge
01-25-2023, 07:32 PM
That's too bad. The idea was great. But the music doesn't fit the era of those show. Plus for me most Rap detracts from what ever it's associated with. But that's my opinion. Nice project thanks for asking for ideas. That part was fun.
since you been nice ill consider doing another one with susan harris shows if I pick music I'll make sure it fits the occasion.

Tryna avoid copyright hat's why I put it there

24/7 reruns
01-25-2023, 07:47 PM
since you been nice ill consider doing another one with susan harris shows if I pick music I'll make sure it fits the occasion.

Tryna avoid copyright hat's why I put it there

I guess the question is does music have to be involved. Copyrights would probably be for both audio and video. Yet you can treat your effort as an educational project focused on domestic and other forms of violence. Since Norman Lear handled difficult topics this would make sense to present it in that way. I think copyrights provide allowing use for educational purposes.

stevea
01-25-2023, 07:56 PM
I would think snippets are fair use. I see short 2 or three minute parts of shows all over Youtube.